Due to a Traffic Jam Hurricane players walk to the Arena in Toronto

[TheGreenTBer]

I work in the downtown near Union Station, and would never think of driving from there to the ScotiaBank Arena.

The arena is well planned because it is adjacent to the major transportation hub for the largest city in Canada, and one of the half-dozen largest in North America.

This is not a place you even think about driving to, because many tens of thousands of people commute there every day using public transit. It's much higher volume than any airport, and very well planned to handle such a high volume of passengers. Just not by car.

The Leafs don't seem to have a problem showing up on time.

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Never mind, that's too easy.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Believe it or not, tokyo's world class transit system was built with this thing called money.

And I listed a bunch of revenue generation that can fund public transportation projects.


Correction:

Poor people who drive cars from a suburb using a infrastructure they don't pay for (Their taxes pay for their bouroughs).

The rich are gonna love driving in 50% less traffic and way more available parking spaces. Even it costs them $100 to go downtown.

Riding in a packed Tokyo train should be on everyone's bucket list.

 

[robertmac43]

Its only going to get worse in the next year. World Cup coming to town and a lot of construction in the lead up.

 

[Ciao]

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Never mind, that's too easy.

Steeves from Tavares; Holmberg, unassisted; Kampf from Lorentz and Steeves; and Tavares from Nylander and Holmberg.

Did you enjoy the first period?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

My best friend is an economist who wrote his thesis on this.

It's a hilariously simple solution that no one ever seems to do because its political suicide.


Make it expensive as f***. Starting with all the bad drivers.

Clog an intersection on a red light? $500 with 5 demerit points.
Speeding in a school zone? $1500
Cameras up on every light.
Make driving downtown feel like Orson Wells 1984.

Keep raising price of parking until there's always spots available.

Cordon parking the shit out of everything. If you're drivinh in from Missasauga you're paying tolls and higher parking fees.

Toll the shit out of bridges.


Basically if youre in toronto and wanna drive downtown it should cost you about $40. If you're from a burb it'll be $80. And if you're a bad driver it'll cost $500.

Well good luck with that because if you live in Toronto, you'll be paying for it one way or another. I already have a minimum fee of $750 just to drive to a job site in the city. I'll probably be jacking that up a lot in the next year or so. I can assure you every other consultant, contractor, name it is doing the same now over this traffic chaos. FYI, I really don't want to come into that city at all. It's people in Toronto asking me, not me asking them. I do it grudgingly so I don't lose clients.

And for the record, more people commute OUT of the city to the 'burbs than IN. So if you want to put a levy on coming into the city, why wouldn't Vaughan, Mississauga, Markham and Pickering do the same?

I don't get it , Are we at the point in society where walking is shunned upon?

Depends on how long the walk was. If it was a few kilometers, that's not exactly ideal for a team about to play a professional hockey game.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

And for the record, more people commute OUT of the city to the 'burbs than IN. So if you want to put a levy on coming into the city, why wouldn't Vaughan, Mississauga, Markham and Pickering do the same?

They absolutely should.

If someone from another city comes into your city DAILY uses your roads, wears everything down, and leaves doesn't pay a cent for the damage and maintenance they inflict on your infrastructure? How does that make any economic sense?

Everything else is managed this way. Every cities METRO has ZONES. When you come in from another zone you have to pay more. SAME reason. The people who USE the infrastructure should be required to pay for the maintenance and repair of that infrastructure.

Every bridge in Canada should be tolled. There is no reasonable explanation as to why they aren't.
Who should pay for a bridge?
THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE f***ING BRIDGE.

And jacking your price up is called free-market capitalism. Of course you should do that when your costs go up.

 

[dalewood12]

It's quite common for visiting teams to walk back to the hotel after games at MSG.

 

[miscs75]

Does Toronto have a massive taxi problem like NYC does?

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Maybe it's because I've worked in the video games industry for 25 years?

But you can easily use this to deter behaviour. You can get traffic off the streets tomorrow.
If you want bad drivers off the street, make tickets 10x more expensive, and put more cameras in place to catch them more frequently.

Monetarily punishing bad behaviour is a simple and effective deterrent.
If you want less cars on the streets, make it more expensive for the bad drivers to drive.

It's really not a difficult concept.

This is how you ensure it's not a 'regressive' tax that only punishes the poor.
It's a tax that punishes bad drivers, and f*** them anyways. They should pay 100x more.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

They should do what Nylander does and take the subway.

Yeah, it's fun to hate on Toronto traffic.

But........how did the Leafs players get there?

Do they live in the arena? Nope.

Did the Hurricanes ride the bus from their previous location to Toronto?

Nope, they took a plane to either Pearson or Billy Bishop.

So, from Pearson they could have taken the UP Express straight to Union (which is attached to the Arena) or walked a single block from Billy Bishop and take the Queens Quay street car directly to Union. Zero traffic interference. Let the bus with their crap catch up later.

But I guess they want to get to their hotel first, then get back on the bus.

Maybe pick one of the probably 5 high end hotels within a block on the arena?

And for the record, I lived in Toronto and do not miss living in Toronto. But I still love to visit Toronto for a day and then get the hell out of there, it's a great city to visit. And it's true, it takes an hour to get to downtown Toronto when you LIVE in Toronto. It takes an hour for me to take the GO Train from Oshawa which is 50+ km away, to downtown Toronto.

It is the way it is but know the city better and make better plans or you might have to walk 15 minutes to the rink.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Seems like some bad management on the Carolina front.

How can you not plan for traffic in a city like Toronto?

What plan would there be other than what you see in the video? Gridlock is gridlock, if the cars aren’t moving the solution is to get out of traffic.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

My best friend is an economist who wrote his thesis on this.

It's a hilariously simple solution that no one ever seems to do because its political suicide.


Make it expensive as f***. Starting with all the bad drivers.

Clog an intersection on a red light? $500 with 5 demerit points.
Speeding in a school zone? $1500
Cameras up on every light.
Make driving downtown feel like Orson Wells 1984.

Keep raising price of parking until there's always spots available.

Cordon parking the shit out of everything. If you're drivinh in from Missasauga you're paying tolls and higher parking fees.

Toll the shit out of bridges.


Basically if youre in toronto and wanna drive downtown it should cost you about $40. If you're from a burb it'll be $80. And if you're a bad driver it'll cost $500.

basically what they’re doing in manhattan. Definitely way less cars now

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Maybe it's because I've worked in the video games industry for 25 years?

But you can easily use this to deter behaviour. You can get traffic off the streets tomorrow.
If you want bad drivers off the street, make tickets 10x more expensive, and put more cameras in place to catch them more frequently.

Monetarily punishing bad behaviour is a simple and effective deterrent.
If you want less cars on the streets, make it more expensive for the bad drivers to drive.

It's really not a difficult concept.

This is how you ensure it's not a 'regressive' tax that only punishes the poor.
It's a tax that punishes bad drivers, and f*** them anyways. They should pay 100x more.

Issue isn’t “bad drivers” per se it’s quantity of drivers. Seems like tolls are the standard way to address that

 

[Divine]

What plan would there be other than what you see in the video? Gridlock is gridlock, if the cars aren’t moving the solution is to get out of traffic.

1.) Leave early.
2.) Stay near the arena - you can get a hotel that would take you underground right to the arena entrance.
3.) Do as Willian Nylander does and subway it across the street from the arena.

This seems to be a problem with budget teams. You can't expect Raleigh/Salt Lake City traffic in Toronto. There's tons of construction going on right now also as they're hosting the World Cup of Soccer next year so you need to plan accordingly.

The worst thing you can do is leave at rush hour expecting for there not to be gridlock in the downtown core with 15, 000 fans coming to the Arena at the same time... which seems to be the route teams are taking.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

My best friend is an economist who wrote his thesis on this.

It's a hilariously simple solution that no one ever seems to do because its political suicide.


Make it expensive as f***. Starting with all the bad drivers.

Clog an intersection on a red light? $500 with 5 demerit points.
Speeding in a school zone? $1500
Cameras up on every light.
Make driving downtown feel like Orson Wells 1984.

Keep raising price of parking until there's always spots available.

Cordon parking the shit out of everything. If you're drivinh in from Missasauga you're paying tolls and higher parking fees.

Toll the shit out of bridges.


Basically if youre in toronto and wanna drive downtown it should cost you about $40. If you're from a burb it'll be $80. And if you're a bad driver it'll cost $500.

Love this so much , but I'm a biased pedestrian

 

[MessierThanThou]

My best friend is an economist who wrote his thesis on this.

It's a hilariously simple solution that no one ever seems to do because its political suicide.


Make it expensive as f***. Starting with all the bad drivers.

Clog an intersection on a red light? $500 with 5 demerit points.
Speeding in a school zone? $1500
Cameras up on every light.
Make driving downtown feel like Orson Wells 1984.

Keep raising price of parking until there's always spots available.

Cordon parking the shit out of everything. If you're drivinh in from Missasauga you're paying tolls and higher parking fees.

Toll the shit out of bridges.


Basically if youre in toronto and wanna drive downtown it should cost you about $40. If you're from a burb it'll be $80. And if you're a bad driver it'll cost $500.

George Orwell wrote 1984. Orson Welles read "War of the Worlds" on the radio, and read it so well that many people mistakenly believed that there was an actual alien invasion because this was before national television. Oh, and he was like some visionary director who peaked super early (but remained a great actor).

 

[93gilmour93]

 

[93gilmour93]

yea our city is a shit show

Toronto is always a 1 hour drive away from Toronto

 

[All Mod Cons]

Does Toronto have a massive taxi problem like NYC does?

Nope. They're normal sized taxis.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Steeves from Tavares; Holmberg, unassisted; Kampf from Lorentz and Steeves; and Tavares from Nylander and Holmberg.

Did you enjoy the first period?

Yes, considering I'm a Leafs fan?

 

[Dr Pepper]

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Why would you make me see that with my own eyes?

I was having such a good morning too.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Why would you make me see that with my own eyes?

I was having such a good morning too.

That makes one of us.

What's your secret?

 

[LevelingSolo]

Toronto and its metro area have some of the worst infrastructure in the developed world

 

[tarheelhockey]

1.) Leave early.
2.) Stay near the arena - you can get a hotel that would take you underground right to the arena entrance.
3.) Do as Willian Nylander does and subway it across the street from the arena.

This seems to be a problem with budget teams. You can't expect Raleigh/Salt Lake City traffic in Toronto. There's tons of construction going on right now also as they're hosting the World Cup of Soccer next year so you need to plan accordingly.

The worst thing you can do is leave at rush hour expecting for there not to be gridlock in the downtown core with 15, 000 fans coming to the Arena at the same time... which seems to be the route teams are taking.

These organizations spend every single day of their professional lives dealing with the logistics of events in the most congested cities on the continent. They don’t need to be told simple things like “leave early”.

As noted upthread and elsewhere on the internet, NHL teams in Toronto stay at one of several hotels (Ritz, Fairmont, Marriott, Westin) which are all <15 minutes walking distance from the arena. They do stay close and leave early. In the event that the city is at a standstill, which seems to be increasingly common in Toronto, they will do exactly what you see in that video — go to Plan B, a short walk like teams and performers do routinely in Manhattan.

It seems that, for whatever reason, Toronto has built itself into unusually chaotic traffic issues which are leading to multiple events being impacted — not just NHL games but concerts as well. Blaming that on the visitors is an odd deflection. It’s up to the city to manage its business. Visitors can and do figure out how to work around those issues, but naturally it puts the city in a bad light when these things are necessary on a regular basis.

 

[miscs75]

Nope. They're normal sized taxis.

Seems like there’s too many of the normal sized taxis driving around sub speed limit while waiting for the next notification of a pickup location.