Confirmed with Link: Ducks sign Tim Washe to ELC (1 year, $975k)

[ADHB]

Also, not specific to this particular player, but there was absolutely ZERO rumors or rumblings about this in the weeks leading up to it, even though the usual suspects had been reporting/tweeting about UDFA's and their potential destinations regularly during that time. It completely caught me off guard when the Ducks themselves announced it.

Goes to show once again that the organization is tight lipped with no leaks. So any rumor about the team is likely that, a rumor with no substance other than pure speculation.

 

[Hey234]

Some quotes from The Athletic:

“I think we have the best leader in college hockey, and that’s Tim Washe,” Western Michigan coach Pat Ferschweiler said. “He’s just dragged this team forward with his will and his skill — his inclusiveness in the locker room. And I think that’s been our secret sauce all year.”

“He’s a winning forward on any given team in the NHL,” Ferschweiler said. “Obviously later down the lineup, but he can win a draw against anyone, he can kill a penalty, and certainly his physicality … (he’s) dialed it back a little this year, because he’s almost too strong when it comes to college hockey. He’s 6-3, 215 pounds, chiseled out of a piece of granite. And at times, he’s got to control himself so he doesn’t just destroy people out there.”

 

[MCB]

Ah the good ol birthday cut off date. Brings me back to elementary school days

What happens when someone's birthday is September 15? Is the cut off after or before? I'm only asking because that's my birthday and I've always wondered whenever I saw it.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Its not hate, its just reality. Lundy has his moments but he is largely invisible on the ice. Good dude, like him more than I liked Steele, but I dont see Anaheim bringing him back next year.

Same, while he was vanilla like Steel he was less Vanilla than him as he had one attribute above average which was his speedy skating ability.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

What happens when someone's birthday is September 15? Is the cut off after or before? I'm only asking because that's my birthday and I've always wondered whenever I saw it.

I have a late September bday, and basically for school at least and I have to believe sports adopted a similar line of thinking. The cutoff date basically allows for the youngest in the class to be the oldest in the class. Usually good for males as we develop and mature slower than females in the younger years. For sports I’d argue it allows younger players to not get physically hurt being outmatched by older possibly stronger players.

 

[MCB]

I have a late September bday, and basically for school at least and I have to believe sports adopted a similar line of thinking. The cutoff date basically allows for the youngest in the class to be the oldest in the class. Usually good for males as we develop and mature slower than females in the younger years. For sports I’d argue it allows younger players to not get physically hurt being outmatched by older possibly stronger players.

I understand the reasoning for it, I was always the youngest in my class (was still 16 as a senior) I'm wondering what happens if your birthday is on the cut off. But this isn't that important of a question lol, carry on everyone.

 

[JAHV]

I understand the reasoning for it, I was always the youngest in my class (was still 16 as a senior) I'm wondering what happens if your birthday is on the cut off. But this isn't that important of a question lol, carry on everyone.

I THINK the line is that day. So if you're born on Sept 15, you go in the same bucket as anyone born on Sept 14. If you're born on the 16th, you go in a different bucket. That's just speculation, though, based on math. If you include Sept 15th with the previous days, you've got 15 days before and after the cutoff.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

I understand the reasoning for it, I was always the youngest in my class (was still 16 as a senior) I'm wondering what happens if your birthday is on the cut off. But this isn't that important of a question lol, carry on everyone.

Ahhhhhhhhhh I’m an idiot …. Hahahha

I’d guess it depends how the cutoff is worded. 9/15 and before means your younger. 9/15 and after means your part of the next class / draft / whatever.

I’m sure if Crosby was born on 9/15 he would be able to choose hahaha.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Finally a solid college UFA. Insurance if Gaucher isn’t ready and we can’t find a UFA for a reasonable contract. Size, right shot, and 63% faceoff win. Maybe a cheaper version of Nico Sturm.

I can't even remember last time the Ducks signed a top college UFA going far back as Murray and Burke.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I can't even remember last time the Ducks signed a top college UFA going far back as Murray and Burke.

I remember how we found a lot of success from college UFA's that the rest of the league started to follow our lead. When that happened, that's when we went Swedish hunting. After that, we also started looking at high school players going the NCAA route with RW Perbix (2018, Rd 4), LD LaCombe (2019, Rd 2), RD Moore (2020, Rd 3), and C/RW Kukkonen (2021, Rd 6).

 

[Sean Garrity]

I was at the regionals in ND and really liked his game. Not sure he’ll be a significant NHLer and if he does it’ll be in a bottom 6 role, but I loved his game and he’s clearly a leader so a great pickup for the organization.

 

[tomd]

I was at the regionals in ND and really liked his game. Not sure he’ll ever make the NHL and if he does it’ll be in a bottom 6 role, but I loved his game and he’s clearly a leader so a great pickup for the organization.

A penalty killing, face off winning, physical 4C would be a big win if that's what Washe becomes.

 

[Rasp]

I really like this signing. 6'3 C who can win faceoffs and captains his team.

He clearly saw the hole we have in the bottom 6 and our upwards trajectory and wanted to jump on board.

Very nice work Verbeek

 

[Masch78]

His college career is nothing to droll about but if he can become a 4th liner in the NHL this is a homerun signing. It is a little bit sad, that Gaucher might not be more despite being a first rounder, Lundy as well. I know the usual late first is usually destined for being bottom 6 but honestly, our late first early 2nd forward picks are some kind of concern

Pettersson is too early to tell,
Myatovic looks pretty meh
Gaucher meh too
Perrault is a big bust
Colangelo looks good
Tracey a bust too

The track record for NHLers out of the range 20-40 is really weak when we talk about forwards.

Anyway this is about Washe and everything beside the numbers is pretty interesting tbh. We will see.

 

[FiveTacos]

I know the usual late first is usually destined for being bottom 6 but honestly, our late first early 2nd forward picks are some kind of concern

The usual late 1st forward gets a cup of coffee in the NHL mostly on pedigree. Many never even get a game. If you get a real bottom 6er you've beaten the odds. If you got a top 6er you won a nice prize.

The track record for NHLers out of the range 20-40 is really weak when we talk about forwards.

That's true of the league as a whole. No one is finding top 6ers in that range with any regularity.

This is why late 1sts are totally overrated except in those super deep drafts. Why do you think all those trade threads exist where teams offer mid or late firsts (sometimes multiples) for 2nd liners?

 

[Kalv]

That's true of the league as a whole. No one is finding top 6ers in that range with any regularity.

Dallas does. So does Washington IIRC.

 

[Mr Rogers]

The usual late 1st forward gets a cup of coffee in the NHL mostly on pedigree. Many never even get a game. If you get a real bottom 6er you've beaten the odds. If you got a top 6er you won a nice prize.



That's true of the league as a whole. No one is finding top 6ers in that range with any regularity.

This is why late 1sts are totally overrated except in those super deep drafts. Why do you think all those trade threads exist where teams offer mid or late firsts (sometimes multiples) for 2nd liners?

I think the issue is we literally haven’t found any (since Terry). I don’t think anybody is expecting a line or two full of scoring forwards drafted in that range. But one or two would be nice.

And I think some of It is because Madden is lauded as a great scout, which he has shown to be for dmen, but this is a real area of improvement.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Dallas does. So does Washington IIRC.

Dallas stands out because they're unusual. And even then, they're living off two drafts that they absolutely nailed, 2017 and 2021. It's not like they're out here hitting home runs in the second round every year.

 

[Gliff]

I think the issue is we literally haven’t found any (since Terry). I don’t think anybody is expecting a line or two full of scoring forwards drafted in that range. But one or two would be nice.

And I think some of It is because Madden is lauded as a great scout, which he has shown to be for dmen, but this is a real area of improvement.

The Ducks drafted 5 top 6 forwards from 2008-2018 in his first 10 years as our head scout.
1 top 6 forward every other year is not bad lol. Since then they have 3 more in Z, McT, and Leo with Colangelo and Sennecke looking like good bets.

Comparing our forward drafting to Dallas is like anyone comparing defensemen drafting to the Ducks. Nobody is saying they are at the top, but they are at worst mid in drafting forwards.

And I really think it isn't fair to compare since PV took over. They very clearly have shifted drafting strategies in the later rounds to take hard working 2-way guys to have a constant stream of middle 6 guys in the system.

So ya, our forward drafting is mid to go along with our elite defensemen and goalie drafting.

 

[tomd]

Some teams can get away with being average at drafting b/c they have other ways to get top players (free agency). The Ducks do not have luxury. They must be in the top tier drafting-wise or the team will forever be mired in mediocrity...or worse.

 

[AngelDuck]

Some teams can get away with being average at drafting b/c they have other ways to get top players (free agency). The Ducks do not have luxury. They must be in the top tier drafting-wise or the team will forever be mired in mediocrity...or worse.

Exactly.

Comparing our drafting record to the Boston Bruins, Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, New York Rangers, etc isn’t the right comparison whether it’s fair or not.

We have to be better than those teams to have a chance to compete.

Unless we can start convincing guys better than Strome, Vatrano, Killorn and Gudas (at the end of their careers for the latter two) to start wanting to sign here

 

[Mr Rogers]

The Ducks drafted 5 top 6 forwards from 2008-2018 in his first 10 years as our head scout.
1 top 6 forward every other year is not bad lol. Since then they have 3 more in Z, McT, and Leo with Colangelo and Sennecke looking like good bets.

Comparing our forward drafting to Dallas is like anyone comparing defensemen drafting to the Ducks. Nobody is saying they are at the top, but they are at worst mid in drafting forwards.

And I really think it isn't fair to compare since PV took over. They very clearly have shifted drafting strategies in the later rounds to take hard working 2-way guys to have a constant stream of middle 6 guys in the system.

So ya, our forward drafting is mid to go along with our elite defensemen and goalie drafting.

We’re not talking about lotto/top 10 picks. Most teams can, should and do get those right and so they don’t really deserve kudos for that. Colangelo is looking good, but can’t say just yet. And he’s just one.

I think this is one of the bigger areas where a lot on this board don’t see eye to eye. The madden defense always seems to think people expect like 5 or 6 late first/2nd round top 6 forwards to be playing on the team. It’s just not the case, but one or two would go a long way.

 

[tomd]

Exactly.

Comparing our drafting record to the Boston Bruins, Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, New York Rangers, etc isn’t the right comparison whether it’s fair or not.

We have to be better than those teams to have a chance to compete.

Unless we can start convincing guys better than Strome, Vatrano, Killorn and Gudas (at the end of their careers for the latter two) to start wanting to sign here

And I would add to the list of teams the non-tax states...Florida, Tennessee, and Texas. Like it or not, players go to the teams in those states.

Every time the Ducks miss on a draft pick in the 1st or 2nd round the effect is magnified. That's just the way it is. Which is why Ducks fans should be focusing a whole lot more on drafting and development than pie-in-the-sky free agent signings or trades.

 

[Gliff]

We’re not talking about lotto/top 10 picks. Most teams can, should and do get those right and so they don’t really deserve kudos for that. Colangelo is looking good, but can’t say just yet. And he’s just one.

I think this is one of the bigger areas where a lot on this board don’t see eye to eye. The madden defense always seems to think people expect like 5 or 6 late first/2nd round top 6 forwards to be playing on the team. It’s just not the case, but one or two would go a long way.

I'm confused though. Do you not think 5 in 10 years was acceptable?
And sure, top 10 picks should result in top 6 players, and they have.

But it feels like you are ignoring every other factor in this.
Its way too early to write off 2024, 2023, 2022, and maybe even 2021 picks. 2 years ago most would have called Colangelo a bust in his D+4. Look at him now on his way.

So just looking at 2019-2021 they drafted 6 forwards in the 1st 3 rounds. 2 of those were top 10 picks and those apparently don't count, so 4 picks.

Tracey was a bust.
Perreault was a bust.
Colangelo is looking like a top 6 forward in the NHL.
Pastujov is over PPG in the AHL.

I still just don't see where the outrage is.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I'm confused though. Do you not think 5 in 10 years was acceptable?
And sure, top 10 picks should result in top 6 players, and they have.

But it feels like you are ignoring every other factor in this.
Its way too early to write off 2024, 2023, 2022, and maybe even 2021 picks. 2 years ago most would have called Colangelo a bust in his D+4. Look at him now on his way.

So just looking at 2019-2021 they drafted 6 forwards in the 1st 3 rounds. 2 of those were top 10 picks and those apparently don't count, so 4 picks.

Tracey was a bust.
Perreault was a bust.
Colangelo is looking like a top 6 forward in the NHL.
Pastujov is over PPG in the AHL.

I still just don't see where the outrage is.

No outrage, I’m just not impressed with our forward drafting outside of slam dunk picks. Really going back to about 2016 (mostly because the guys we actually drafted vs who we could’ve).

I’m not saying it’s awful by any means, but I’m not impressed by it. And unearthing just 1 or two more forwards later in the draft since that time would’ve helped the team’s depth a lot.

Maybe that will change with Pasta, Sidorov etc, but too early to say.