TheBigLetowski
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GDT: Ducks at Canes - Eric Staal Jersey Retirement Night.
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The Faulker 27
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I don't know it, but since everyone else does I feel left out.
Canes played against a team on a b2b who nevertheless had some motivation since they were embarrassed 6-0 the day before. But.....under those circumstances, the Canes should never lose this game to a bottom feeder at home. They played lackadaisical and once again didn't get a fully competent goaltender performance. Even with the overall team awful effort/high level Dostal game, Canes should have won at minimum 2-1 or even 1-0. Goaltenders are paid to make saves and sometimes you need them to win a game for you.
Essentially Dostal bested Pyotr last night and once again Pytor made a few tough saves but let in softies that cost the Canes the game (last 2 were brutally bad....first, too deep in the net, second, just bad).
Celebrating Pytor because he made a few good/great saves but lost the game due to giving up goals he shouldn't is similar to football fans who will say, my QB had 3 nice TD passes last night but ignore the fact that his 2 interceptions or a key fumble (ie Mayfield last night) cost their team the game.
Statistically (and these are facts/are not subjective....that's how I am viewing Pytor, who I rate very high as a person btw):
Pytor is ranked nicely for "high danger" saves (.835 save/80 percentile & 187 saves/87 percentile) but is dismal in mid-range and long-range shots (below 50 percentile) which validates the observations many of us have during in-game and post-game thoughts.
Details from NHL edge below (summary and then a picture of high, mid, long-range stats):
His GAA is 65 percentile, overall save % is Below 50, only 50% of his games does he deliver better than .900 save %.....that's not quality goaltending and would kill us in key games in the playoffs.
Essentially Dostal bested Pyotr last night and once again Pytor made a few tough saves but let in softies that cost the Canes the game (last 2 were brutally bad....first, too deep in the net, second, just bad).
Celebrating Pytor because he made a few good/great saves but lost the game due to giving up goals he shouldn't is similar to football fans who will say, my QB had 3 nice TD passes last night but ignore the fact that his 2 interceptions or a key fumble (ie Mayfield last night) cost their team the game.
Statistically (and these are facts/are not subjective....that's how I am viewing Pytor, who I rate very high as a person btw):
Pytor is ranked nicely for "high danger" saves (.835 save/80 percentile & 187 saves/87 percentile) but is dismal in mid-range and long-range shots (below 50 percentile) which validates the observations many of us have during in-game and post-game thoughts.
Details from NHL edge below (summary and then a picture of high, mid, long-range stats):
His GAA is 65 percentile, overall save % is Below 50, only 50% of his games does he deliver better than .900 save %.....that's not quality goaltending and would kill us in key games in the playoffs.
albeit from a rock-bottom price due to the 6-0 loss the day before
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This is where i'm at - i told the oldest early on that this game got a lot tougher when the refs decided to 'let them play' because that favors the ducks. yes, we still should beat that team. it is laughable that the canes got one legit powerplay the way that game was played. i don't really count the first - it was about 45 seconds and even though svech was legit tripped, i truly believe it wouldn't have been called if they weren't trying to make up for the 'drury must be a jedi' no-touch trip call it canceled out.
gauthier's first goal was basically the same as jarvis' goal - with placement that perfect, no goalie is stopping those unless they do it accidentally.
i'm generally more of a sunshine-squad type around here, but i will say this game is the perfect example of what makes me worry about playoffs. playoff officiating is always a bit looser, but if we get a couple games as loose as they were last night i don't know if the canes keep the streak alive.
(caveat - i won't be mad at a first round exit if we make it. we're overdue. it happened to the bruins 'greatest team ever' a couple years ago, tampa vs cbj, detroit in '06. it happens to everyone. it has been 24 years since we made the playoffs and immediately exited. as a state fan, i'm conditioned that any success should lead to one action - girding yourself for the regression to mean.)
Well, given what you showed about Pyotr and what we see here for Gibson, I see why the Canes might want him. I am too lazy to do the math, but do we see more or less goals go in if Gibson is better at low and medium danger (range) shots but worse at high danger shots compared to Pyotr? I bet the Canes analytics staff has that number.
The Faulker 27
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interesting. I've never used NHL edge for stat digging. Will have to look into that. I think we all know in our hearts Pyotr isn't the guy. He's fine for now until Freddie comes back, but hopefully the Org eventually finds a better tandem to mind the goal.
Thanks. When I look at those numbers for Gibson, it makes me think it's worth rolling the dice on Freddie coming back for this postseason and then finding a solution in the off-season to pair with Kochetkov in the future.
When Freddie has played in the regular season the past 2 years, his numbers have been very good.
I do think Rod needs to accept that Kochetkov will also play in the postseason to give Freddie rest. No more of this "tandem ends in the regular season" BS. They play a tandem during the regular season; play the tandem in the playoffs. Especially if Freddie could get hurt at any moment and likely doesn't have his conditioning (shouldn't be as bad as last postseason, but still a concern.)
Freddie's 4 game sample this year and last year showcase a far superior goalie to Pytor (cough, game 6 excluded):
From last year:
- Oct 31, 2007
- 41,547
- 50,430
Freddie IS a better goalie. The problem is that Freddie isn’t reliable health-wise to be useful to us. Case in point: Last night, PK obviously got hurt after a save. It was the scramble in the net during the 3rd period. It kept the puck out, but you could tell PK was laboring after that. If that was Freddie, we’d be getting a message on Wednesday about how “He’s dealing with something” and then a week later, we’d get the “Out for a while” quote from RBA,
CanesUltimate11
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If I may quote Steve Dangle "If you give up three breakaways in about a 9 minute stretch, you're probably doing something wrong"
CanesUltimate11
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My only thought in saying PK should have had this one is something that Tripp brought up that if he was thinking pass more than he should have been he was crouched a bit more to push. If he's standing 1/2 inch higher (which he might be if it's not a 2 on1) then it hits him more directly and stays out.
But yes it's pretty much a perfect shot so hard to fault him too much.
this is why the playoffs are such a crapshoot. given the canes and devils have basically the exact same results to date (they're 1 point ahead, we've 1 game in hand) my takeaway from the goalie numbers is that the team in front of PK is better than the team in front of markstrom: TG=P where P is points, T is team play, and G is goalie play. If P is constant, increased G means decreased T. (unless strength of schedule is crazy different. i didn't look it up. this is the 'ideal hockey law' so it ignores some real world things just like my dear beloved PV=nRT.)
So, i'm comfortable saying the canes' skaters are superior. I have no qualms saying markstrom is superior. in the playoffs it is more likely one guy can improve or drop off than 20 guys 5 at a time. (there's a your momma joke in there, but pressing on...)
if markstrom falls back a bit, it only takes four games (like all-everything vasi against cbj). if we have a guy get on a heater, who knows? cam had meh regular season numbers in '06. bob was a legit laughingstock before going super-saiyan and taking the 8 seed to the finals, then staying that way for another year.
or maybe we get yet another series where the goaltending is roughly equal and our special teams shit the bed. idk, anyone who gambles on playoff hockey needs to call the hotline.
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But he's a better goalie than anyone you could pick up at the deadline.
I agree that moving on from Andersen after this season is the right move. So for me, the Gibson debate comes down to these questions:
Do we think that Gibson is better than any UFA option this coming off-season? Maybe. I think Vejmelka has looked good and will probably be everyone's top target assuming Logan Thompson is re-signed. In fact, Vejmelka is likely to be re-signed and off the board as well. After those two, it's a lot of projection of backups or reclamation projects.
Will Gibson still be available in the off-season, or is Carolina making the move now to guarantee they get him? Maybe they make the move now to lock in goalie beyond this year. In which case you might actually be downgrading from the lottery ticket of a theoretically healthy Andersen to Gibson in hopes Gibson regains his form on a more competitive team.
Gibson is less a move about this season to me; it's a move to solve goalie in 2026 and 2027.
AD Skinner
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If they don’t extend him lankinen has shown flashes of brilliance this year. I don’t think Gibson is worth the assets it would take to get him. Not saying he sucks but I don’t see him as markedly better than kochetkov
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AD Skinner
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It’s not as nice as just going back to the old jerseys but I’d take this every day. The current numbers just don’t do it for me. Give me big fat easy to read numbersJust sayin....
AhosDatsyukian
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I tuned in late last night -- did the whole team wear those jerseys during warmups or something?Just sayin....
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