Rumor: Dubas has told other teams "everyone is available, except 87."”

[ClydeLee]

Why now... why not 15 months ago? When it was still obviously the case.

What would the owners do, fire him and owe him all the money still?

 

[KareemTrustfund]

Because we are run by FSG…a bunch of clueless Boston trust fund twats.

Sully’s from Massachusetts so they love him.

That’s a slur , actually.

 

[TheNumber4]

The core is old and tired. But also, way too comfortable. The answer is simple, fire the coach, see if that lights a fire under their asses and squeezes the last remaining good hockey out of them. No f***in way Dubas trades them into contendership.

 

[SEALBound]

What would Erik Karlsson 50% @ the deadline cost?

Honestly, more than one might think. Asking the Pens to retain $5mil for 2.5 years while using their last retention slot this year, that's only going to be done if there is an actual reason to do it. The next two TDLs are more realistic. Edmonton's in a tough spot too. They have their 1sts but very few worthwhile prospects. A 2025 1st + 2026 3rd + cap dump of your choosing for Karlsson @50% I could see being realistic. Why the 1st? Because I think retaining 50% on Pettersson could get us a 1st at the TDL. I'd rather save the retention slot for that unless someone is willing to give us a 1st in a Karlsson (or anyone else deal).

Malkin to Canes could be interesting if he’d waive

I think you'd be giving up one of your more prized prospects though. Nadeau, Blake, Drury, Morrow...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The core is old and tired. But also, way too comfortable. The answer is simple, fire the coach, see if that lights a fire under their asses and squeezes the last remaining good hockey out of them. No f***in way Dubas trades them into contendership.

It boggles the mind that the easiest and most obvious answer has never been tried first before all these roster turnovers.

But nope, I'm sure if you swap out this current bottom six for another 6 new players, that will finally fix things. Let's keep the same coach who hasn't won a playoff round since 2018 and who is going on 3 straight playoff misses. Yep, good plan Pens.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Karl is moveable at %50, doubt Dubas does it though

Oh for sure, heck at that retention I'd want a 1st back. But doubt ownership is going to eat half his contract.

 

[SomeDude]

I think you'd be giving up one of your more prized prospects though. Nadeau, Blake, Drury, Morrow...

Why? They didn’t for Jake and he had more value than Geno would at this point.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

87 is the only one I’m interested in though

 

[SEALBound]

Why? They didn’t for Jake and he had more value than Geno would at this point.

Yeah but Malkin is Malkin and Jake was Jake. He's a core piece on and on our Mt Rushmore. Why would they trade him unless there was a significant incentive?

 

[SomeDude]

Yeah but Malkin is Malkin and Jake was Jake. He's a core piece on and on our Mt Rushmore. Why would they trade him unless there was a significant incentive?

That’s why he won’t be traded.

Other teams are not going to overpay for our nostalgia.

 

[Chaos2k7]

What would it take to get Malkin @50% retained on the leafs

No salary cap

 

[TheNumber4]

It boggles the mind that the easiest and most obvious answer has never been tried first before all these roster turnovers.

But nope, I'm sure if you swap out this current bottom six for another 6 new players, that will finally fix things. Let's keep the same coach who hasn't won a playoff round since 2018 and who is going on 3 straight playoff misses. Yep, good plan Pens.

The idea that Dubas of all people could trade into contendership is also laughable. How many won trades would he need to make for that to happen? Like 4 at least? The dude didn’t win 4 roster trades in Toronto in 6 years. This smells of his ego running the team.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Karl is moveable at %50, doubt Dubas does it though

I don't think he is. Look at how much cap San Jose had to facilitate Pittsburgh dumping to move him after a Norris level season. He isn't having a Norris type season the last two years.

The list of teams he will go to won't be very big because he has a NMC. Based on what we know about him, he will only want to go to a contender, or to a team geographically close to Ottawa. His wife is from Ottawa, and they still apparently still live here outside of the obvious time Karlsson has to be in Pittsburgh. His list of teams will be limited because of that.

Montreal seems like the best match to me because they are close to Ottawa, they have bad contracts to offset Karlsson, and they need to start thinking about adding players to take the next step. They have both Anderson and Gallagher as bad contracts. Anderson+PIT 2nd for Karlsson (4.5M Retained). Pittsburgh can buyout Anderson next year. It saves them a lot of real cash and it gives them a lot of cap to work with when it comes to taking bad contracts that are paired with assets.

Looking at Ottawa, I don't think they are a fit. The only way I could see it happening is if they flame out this year and need something to appease the season ticket base, who still might get excited about the idea of seeing Karlsson as a Senator again. Otherwise, it doesn't fit the team build at all.

 

[Juxtaposer]

And while Dubas has done well to replenish the pool with picks and prospects over the past year or so

>> Traded the pick that became Sam Dickinson for Erik Karlsson
>> ???

Karlsson at 50% is definitely movable but there's no chance anyone is paying a 1st for him at this stage. He's not good.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I think they should make #87 available, Colorado should be in on offers as we'd all love to see the Cole Harbour boys, best buds play on the same team chasing another cup.

 

[kerrabria]

Roster-wise, they really just need to get rid of Karlsson and replace him with a capable Top 4 RD.
No team can succeed trotting Karlsson out 22+ minutes per game and killing $10m in cap.

 

[McHelpus]

Honestly, more than one might think. Asking the Pens to retain $5mil for 2.5 years while using their last retention slot this year, that's only going to be done if there is an actual reason to do it. The next two TDLs are more realistic. Edmonton's in a tough spot too. They have their 1sts but very few worthwhile prospects. A 2025 1st + 2026 3rd + cap dump of your choosing for Karlsson @50% I could see being realistic. Why the 1st? Because I think retaining 50% on Pettersson could get us a 1st at the TDL. I'd rather save the retention slot for that unless someone is willing to give us a 1st in a Karlsson (or anyone else deal).

Oh I thought he only had another year left. Yeah 2 more years to retain 50% is really doubtful, maybe next deadline then is more feasible.

 

[SEALBound]

That’s why he won’t be traded.

Other teams are not going to overpay for our nostalgia.

Yes, I would say that is accurate. Unless there was a "OMG we HAVE to do this" offer. A high end prospect would do it.

While the tread is "everyone but 87" I would still interpet that as "87 is not available and it's highly unlikely that 71 is either".

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

>> Traded the pick that became Sam Dickinson for Erik Karlsson
>> ???

Karlsson at 50% is definitely movable but there's no chance anyone is paying a 1st for him at this stage. He's not good.

His even strength metrics were excellent last year, he was still very good. This year the whole team is just a total shitshow so it's tougher to judge.

 

[SomeDude]

Yes, I would say that is accurate. Unless there was a "OMG we HAVE to do this" offer. A high end prospect would do it.

While the tread is "everyone but 87" I would still interpet that as "87 is not available and it's highly unlikely that 71 is either".

I think it’s more like Kyle is passive aggressively trying to take a shot at some guys without having to actually say the words.

 

[Juxtaposer]

His even strength metrics were excellent last year, he was still very good. This year the whole team is just a total shitshow so it's tougher to judge.

If Dubas is smart he'll can Sullivan immediately to try and recoup some value on those guys.

I love EK and enjoyed him a lot on the Sharks. But history has proven once again that trading 1st for him is a terrible decision. A third team won't fall for it.

 

[leeroggy]

Sully’s from Massachusetts so they love him.

I thought he died on the Andrea Gail?

 

[Hobnobs]

This is terrible news for the wings as lanceuppercut will start making stupid Jarry or other useless players to Wings proposals again.

I wonder how this news will make Bernmeister try to get Rasmussen tho.. He will find a way I just wonder how...

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Honestly, more than one might think. Asking the Pens to retain $5mil for 2.5 years while using their last retention slot this year, that's only going to be done if there is an actual reason to do it. The next two TDLs are more realistic. Edmonton's in a tough spot too. They have their 1sts but very few worthwhile prospects. A 2025 1st + 2026 3rd + cap dump of your choosing for Karlsson @50% I could see being realistic. Why the 1st? Because I think retaining 50% on Pettersson could get us a 1st at the TDL. I'd rather save the retention slot for that unless someone is willing to give us a 1st in a Karlsson (or anyone else deal).

I think you'd be giving up one of your more prized prospects though. Nadeau, Blake, Drury, Morrow...

I personally would consider Drury and pick(s). Blake is probably off limits entirely and the others would be closer but I don't really want to move them. Canes would not need retention, although with the state of the Pens maybe the Pens would want to retain to get more for him.

I'd be pretty shocked if it happened but it would be a really interesting fit on paper if some trade could be agreed to. I really don't think he gets traded anywhere though. It'd be one thing if he didn't have a ring and wanted to chase it but I just don't see much reason for him to want to go to another team at this point.

 

[Barsky]

Oh for sure, heck at that retention I'd want a 1st back. But doubt ownership is going to eat half his contract.

Ya, as I figured, can't see ownership wanting to retain %50 and can't see anyone wanting him for any more than 5 mil, so Pens will get nothing and he'll walk back to Ottawa as a UFA in 2 years for his retirement contract, lol