Dreaded Czech U18 Thread
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GettingYourMoms
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We will get smashed so hard lol ... and then again in QF ... Slovaks again going to semis since they have a dream QF
Seriously what did Cermak do with two stacked teams on two last WCH tournaments? One 3:2SO win against Sweden, two complete embarassements with Kazakshtan and Germany .. and three wins in total out of ten games .. including another beutiful failure where after disastrous group we were served Slovaks on silver platter last year in QF and still managed to lose that lol
If this all you can do with such a stacked teams which were on paper legit medal contenders ... then you should probably return you licence and watch hockey only from a pub .. I am sorry
Seriously what did Cermak do with two stacked teams on two last WCH tournaments? One 3:2SO win against Sweden, two complete embarassements with Kazakshtan and Germany .. and three wins in total out of ten games .. including another beutiful failure where after disastrous group we were served Slovaks on silver platter last year in QF and still managed to lose that lol
If this all you can do with such a stacked teams which were on paper legit medal contenders ... then you should probably return you licence and watch hockey only from a pub .. I am sorry
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This same team demolished Sweden at Hlinka in semis, now they are going to finish the tournament with one weak win against Switzerland... 
To be fair though, I don't even think Czechs are playing that bad this game. Unfortunately many players are completely out of form, suspect coaching and god awful goaltending and this is the result. Have to think the late addition, underager and 3rd goalie Poletin gets the QF start, despite not even playing a full game. That's how you know the other two goalies were just terrible.
They still have a chance to redeem themselves and beat Canada in the QF, but that's probably not going to happen. While I think they would beat any of the other teams from group B, I am glad it's going to be Canada. They don't deserve an 'easy' opponent after this disaster of a group stage and I don't I could take another chokejob like last year anyway.
To be fair though, I don't even think Czechs are playing that bad this game. Unfortunately many players are completely out of form, suspect coaching and god awful goaltending and this is the result. Have to think the late addition, underager and 3rd goalie Poletin gets the QF start, despite not even playing a full game. That's how you know the other two goalies were just terrible.
They still have a chance to redeem themselves and beat Canada in the QF, but that's probably not going to happen. While I think they would beat any of the other teams from group B, I am glad it's going to be Canada. They don't deserve an 'easy' opponent after this disaster of a group stage and I don't I could take another chokejob like last year anyway.
I don't think he regretted it at Hlinka. Ironically he is one of the very few players who is playing better than in Summer.
I think there's a moderate chance to beat Canada. Finland gave them a pretty good challenge and with better goal scorers it might've been a different result. The Finns managed to create a lot of what I'd call premium chances so on paper you guys should be able to do the same. Czechia has those players capable of scoring so it might be a win for Czechia.
Stupid mistakes, bad goalie, a clown on the bench. We're going to win everything. Oh, thanks. It's high time to get out and end this comedy.
Mrtka playing any better today? Sounds like he's had a rough tournament outside of the nice goal he scored.
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I really don't want to spend much time on this comedy, so I'll keep it short..
Oršulák has nothing to do in goal.
When we got back into the game after the tragic start, we did what we do best again and, thanks to our own ineptitude and stupidity, conceded another completely unnecessary goal. I don't understand what Mikeš, Macek and Mikel did there.
Kachlíř has nothing to do there, he's not at this level yet.
Coach Čermák has nothing to do there either. The team is not well prepared, just like last year.
Oršulák has nothing to do in goal.
When we got back into the game after the tragic start, we did what we do best again and, thanks to our own ineptitude and stupidity, conceded another completely unnecessary goal. I don't understand what Mikeš, Macek and Mikel did there.
Kachlíř has nothing to do there, he's not at this level yet.
Coach Čermák has nothing to do there either. The team is not well prepared, just like last year.
I agree, I actually kinda like our chances here. Nobody expects anything anymore from the Czech team at this point. Of course they could get steamrolled by Canada, but Czechs are kinda due for at least one legit good game considering the stacked line up I suppose? lol wishful hoping but you never know
Not really, but the whole defense is an absolute mess, I don't know how much of it is really Mrtka's fault and how much of it is just the team having no game plan at all.
I wonder what kind of results this team would have had with Stebetak in the net. He is clearly the best goalie. Both Orsulak and Trejbal have been terrible all tournament, Poletin is the first one who actually pulled some game changing saves, unfortunately he got there too late + as you said, that 4th goal was awful. Hopefully Cermak makes this one correct decision and puts Poletin in for the QF. Mikel barely played this season and it shows, his decision to go USHL is so far looking like a very bad one. I am convinced he is in draft consideration had he decided to stay in Zlin for one more season and get all the minutes in U20 league along with some action in Maxa league. But as I said above, the whole defense is a mess.
Yeah, the whole defense is crazy, we haven't made as many mistakes in a third of the game as we did in the entire HGC tournament. That team is absolutely horribly prepared, it's the complete opposite of a consolidated team that knows what and how to play.
I don't know, maybe one game where we avoid stupid and childish mistakes could help us, but we would have to really do everything and play a completely different kind of hockey than before. Actually, we had a lot of chances today, but the difference in how we used those chances was huge.
If he doesn't put Poletín in the net, Čermák will kill our chances before the game..
In the past I didn't believe coach could make such a difference, but turns out he can. Rulik is the obvious example.
Cermak obviously has had the success at Hlinka, but considering two years in row he absolutely bombed at the U18 WHC, I wonder how much of the success is result of his work and how much he benefitted from the work of the U17 coaching staff both years. Basically taking over a functioning talented squad, doing well at Hlinka and then continually making the team worse, resulting in this absolute mess we are seeing.
But despite being a pessimist, I think Czechs will pull it off in the QF. If playing against the best hockey nation in the world after a godawful group stage isn't enough of a motivation, I don't know what is.
I just wonder how much will this tournament affect draft chances of the Czech players. I don't think it will matter that much and all the players expected to be picked will in fact get picked despite looking terrible for a couple weeks here, but in particular I am curious what scouts are thinking of Cihar. Blows my mind this guy is projected as a 1st/2nd round talent by Central Scouting...
Rulík and Augusta are clear examples of how much the coach's personality matters.
Yes, you're right that Čermák could actually benefit from the work of other coaches. Before this championship, I would have clearly favored us against the Slovaks, but now I see it the other way around. And I don't trust us against Canada, in fact, I think the match may look similar to the one against the Swedes and that we simply cannot avoid naive mistakes. But with Poletín we could at least have some chance of success.
Čihař played well against the Swiss and that's not enough. I think his position will drop in the draft, just like the others.
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Dreade U18 continues.
We have one win
We have played three goalies
On a good note. We had a lot of very good chances today . A lot.
The defending is bad. The two starting goalies are bad... So far at least.
This tournament is our kryptonite.
Having said that. I still think it is a good team. We do have nice offensive combos and instincts. Everyone expects us to lose 20-2. This is the Czech sweet spot lol.
I think we are a nightmare 4th place crossover.
I'm skipping this tournament next year.lol
We have one win
We have played three goalies
On a good note. We had a lot of very good chances today . A lot.
The defending is bad. The two starting goalies are bad... So far at least.
This tournament is our kryptonite.
Having said that. I still think it is a good team. We do have nice offensive combos and instincts. Everyone expects us to lose 20-2. This is the Czech sweet spot lol.
I think we are a nightmare 4th place crossover.
I'm skipping this tournament next year.lol
This is actually a very interesting take and could be very plausible. I also refuse to believe that players who are dominant at the start of the season, then playing great at club the whole season and are projected to be drafted first 3 rounds suddenly forger how to play hockey and are looking like those below average players who are nowhere near being drafted we were sending on this tournament in the past.
Yes the more plausible explanation in this case is that Cermak is not a real coach and he only benefits from the work of others. What did he even done at this tournament? Terrible choice of GKs, we are playing poorly the whole group, but did he even changed lines and tried to make it work somehow? No only thing he did was kicking out Katolicky of the lineup which is completely idiotic decision
Luckily he is ending. But idk about Tomajko either. Guy never coached anything else then Olomouc and granted that Olomouc is a small club, he really havent got much success there. Mostly ending in QF or preliminary round. So we will see if he can bring anything to this age group
But Tomajko had relative success, Olomouc was always underestimated at the beginning of the extra league and was better than expected at the end of the season (except for the last year).
Čermák only shows bad decisions, chaos on the field, poorly prepared players in all aspects, what he is showing is a complete disaster.
I dont understand how is Sweden doing this. How are they producing so much talent? Why Czech teams cant do it as well? What is the difference?
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I think the reason I'm not mad is because I thought we'd be bad. We just don't do well here.
BUT we do have a good squad with good players who may have professional futures. This is as good as it gets despite us being absolutely terrible here.
For Marty, I don't think it will affect draft rankings at all. If it did, it would be Zahesky taken in round 7 as he's been great! Mrtka will be top 10 despite looking like shit here.lol
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