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Draisaitl vs Sakic - Who would you take?

  • Sakic

    Votes: 59 57.8%

  • Draisaitl

    Votes: 43 42.2%
  • Total voters
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Love Sakic but I just don't know how you vote against Draisaitl here.

Three 50+50 seasons in his last 4 years, Four in the last 7 years, averaging 51 goal 118 point pace in that span. And his point pace has actually gone up in the playoffs in that same time period.

He's outplayed his teammate, the best player of his generation, twice in those 7 seasons. The only time he's failed to break 100 points in that span was during the lockout year, where he paced for 123 points.

Sakic never had a span like that. Draisaitl already has more 50 goal seasons and 100 point seasons.
 
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Their raw numbers before the age of 30 are shockingly close:

Sakic: 792GP 375G 604A 979P
3 seasons in top 10 in goals
5 seasons in top 10 in points
1x Conn Smythe
1x Stanley cup winner

Draisaitl: 790GP 399G 557A 956P
6 seasons in top 10 in goals
8 seasons in top 10 in points
1x rocket richard
1x art ross
1x hart trophy winner (potentially 2)
1x Ted Lindsay

May or may not be a Stanley cup winner. We will know in a few weeks

Sakic was playing in a higher scoring era for a majority of that time and was playing on some stacked teams, but Draisaitl of course has McDavid.

To the same point in their respective careers I would go Draisaitl, but he’ll need to maintain this elite level of play until the end of his career. Sakic was a superstar pretty much up until he retired.
 
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Joe Sakic (bolded is what he's accomplished by Draisatl's age)

Stat finishes
Points: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 8, 10
PPG: 2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 8
Goals: 2, 5, 6, 6, 10
GPG: 3, 4, 7, 9

Award finishes (only top 10)
Hart: 1, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8
Selke: 2, 9, 10


Draisaitl
Stat finishes
Points: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 7, 8
PPG: 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10
Goals: 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, 4
GPG: 1, 2, 2, 4, 5, 5

Award finishes (only top 10)
Hart: 1, 1-3?, 7, 8, 9
Selke: 6

If you compare them from the start of their career to Draisatl's current age, it's no contest.

But Sakic adds so much to his resume from 30 onwards including virtually all his Selke finishes and his best season where he nearly won every award a forward could (came 2nd in goals and Selke voting).

I don't think Draisaitl has to do nearly as much as Sakic did in his 30s given he has the better individual accomplishments from 20-29, but a few more elite seasons would help.


What's clear right now is Draisaitl is the better offensive player with a clear edge in goalscoring. Sakic's 2000-01 season can compete with any of Draisatl's best and is arguably the top season between either of them. But Draisaitl has slightly more high end productive seasons

Both of them competed against linemates more talented than them (arguable in Forsberg's case) which likely affected their hart record, but obviously McDavid>Forsberg. Yet despite that Draisaitl has the additional hart finalist season.

I think by the time Draisatl's career ends it will be him, assuming he remains an elite player for a bit longer.
 
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Based on their careers up to Drai's current age it's Leon, which is the only fair way to compare at the moment. Last half of the career will be an interesting watch but Leon does not seem to be slowing down much if at all.
 
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Until the Oilers win a cup it'll be Sakic.

At age 30 Drai has been a better individual player.

Sakic definitely wins a lot of legacy and longevity points for winning 2 cups and a CS.

He also scored those goals at the Olympics and was Canadas mvp. Not fair to Drai because he will probably never win a best on best because of his Nationality.

Drai can definitely pass him , though. But it's not guaranteed. Sakic was elite until his late 30s. Drai to be seen.
 
It will be very interesting to watch as Draisatal goes forward but he is tracking very well to equal or even pass Burnaby Joe IMO.

He is 30 going into this season and just scored a 6th in Selke voting and is a Hart finalist and maybe has that first SC.

As good as Sakic's playoff resume is , is Draisatal really behind him there?

I think not.
 
Another point to consider, Draisaitl never played on teams as bad as Sakic did on those Late 80s early 90's Nordiques, the first 4 years for Sakic were dead last teams that had a 4 year stretch of 75W-205L-40T

Which takes nothing away from Draisaitl, in his first 2 years, the Oilers were bad as well, but those Nordiques were something especially awful lol.
 
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Duffy13 said:
Another point to consider, Draisaitl never played on teams as bad as Sakic did on those Late 80s early 90's Nordiques, the first 4 years for Sakic were dead last teams that had a 4 year stretch of 75W-205L-40T

Which takes nothing away from Draisaitl, in his first 2 years, the Oilers were bad as well, but those Nordiques were something especially awful lol.
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Sure but scoring during that time period didn't really have a negative impact on Sakic right?
 
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wetcoast said:
Sure but scoring during that time period didn't really have a negative impact on Sakic right?
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On those teams, sakics 2nd 3rd and 4th seasons he outscored the 2nd place teammate by 108 points. With a 40, 50, and 18 point difference between Sakic and whoever finished 2nd on those teams.

He had zero help those years, little more help the 4th year.

Not sure if Drai had any help for his first couple years. Did he?
 
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On those teams, sakics 2nd 3rd and 4th seasons he outscored the 2nd place teammate by 108 points. With a 40, 50, and 18 point difference between Sakic and whoever finished 2nd on those teams.

He had zero help those years, little more help the 4th year.

Not sure if Drai had any help for his first couple years. Did he?
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Sure but lots of top players had numbers like that back in that time period, it was a different game and he played alot and scored alot.

Also if you want to play the support game , Patrick Roy, Foppa ect...?

That dog just doesn't hunt.

Probably the biggest thing holding back Sakic all time was injury seasons, had he had more health his counting stats would be over 1700 points still a great career but he is within reach of Draisatl all time.

Sakic ranks 32nd on the HOH section all time list, in 10 years Drasiatal could be in that ballpark, perhaps a bit higher.

Lafleur is ranked 25th, which IMO is perhaps a bit too high but he isn't out of reach given prime versus prime comparisons between the 2 and Lafleur outside of his prime 6 years has a relatively weak resume for a top 30 guy.
 
biturbo19 said:
Burnaby Joe gets so overrated on nostalgia. I think Draisaitl has put together multiple seasons more impressive than Sakic's best.
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Idk about that.

Sakic won the hart in a landslide against prime Jagr (boosted by lemieux, but we're still talking about Jagr here). All but 9 1st place votes went to him.

Draisaitl won the hart trophy clearly in 2018-19 but it wasn't unanimous. He had 91 1st place votes to Mackinnon's 48 and Panarin's 24.



Furthermore, Sakic has the 2nd highest single season point total between the two, and he did that in a significantly lower scoring environment than Draisaitl has ever played in.

I will say Draisaitl has more seasons that come close to matching his best whether you think it's 2024-25, 2018-19 or another season.

While no other season from Sakic comes close to 2000-01. Partly due to injury as he has a similar pace the 2 years prior.
 
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