Proposal: Draisaitl, Nurse

[seanlinden]

The entire premise of this thread is quite flawed.

Edmonton appears to be quite "set" for the start of the season at this point. A Kane LTIR should get them under the cap.... so they don't "need" to shed $18m in cap space.

That being said, let's say the Oilers did want to "cash out" on Draisaitl to avoid the risk of having Draisaitl walk to UFA on the day McDavid becomes eligible for an extension... the last thing they're going to do is "burden" that trade with Darnell Nurse.

There are very few teams in the league that can look at adding $18m to 2 players at this point in the offseason.... even if you assume that there's salary coming the other way, nobody wants to make THAT kind of monumental shift.

Furthermore, anyone that acquires Draisaitl is doing so with the likely mindset of extending him well over $10m. Adding Nurse, likely makes that extremely difficult.

You've gotta look at these as 2 separate issues. Get whatever haul you can for Draisaitl... maybe a piece or two of that goes to help deal with the Nurse situation down the road.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

No one is signing up for 6 years of Nurse to get 1 year of Draisaitl, let alone giving up assets on top.

There’s no way to move Nurse because he’s a 4-5 D who’s paid like a perennial Norris contender, and he has 6 years left on his contract.

You realize NHL teams are businesses whose primary purpose is to generate revenue, right? Tell me how not only acquiring, but giving up assets for a $9.25M 4-5D is good for business?

Because you’re literally acquiring one of the five best players in hockey and in like three years, middle pairing D will be pulling 8M+

There are reasons not to make the trade… but this is insane. Give me Darnell Nurse on the Wings this very minute if I can also get Leon Draisaitl without giving up any core pieces

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

You wouldn’t even get Cooley or Keller for 1 year of Draisaitl by himself, not from a rebuilding team like Utah.

With Nurse attached, it’s a total non-starter, even with the inclusion of Draisaitl because, again, he’s only got 1 year left.

No team is signing up for 6 years of Nurse for 1 year of Draisaitl.

Ummm. Yeah, you would.

Draisaitl isn’t on the market. Edmonton will do everything to try to re-sign him first. If they can’t, and it becomes known, they’re letting the other team talk turkey on a contract with Leon.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Because you’re literally acquiring one of the five best players in hockey and in like three years, middle pairing D will be pulling 8M+

There are reasons not to make the trade… but this is insane. Give me Darnell Nurse on the Wings this very minute if I can also get Leon Draisaitl without giving up any core pieces

What does 1 year of Draisaitl do for Utah? They almost certainly still miss the playoffs, by a lot too. Then, they’re stuck with 5 more years of Nurse after that. How does this help them in any way? From an ownership perspective, it’s just throwing money down the toilet with no upside.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

You wouldn’t even get Cooley or Keller for 1 year of Draisaitl by himself, not from a rebuilding team like Utah.

With Nurse attached, it’s a total non-starter, even with the inclusion of Draisaitl because, again, he’s only got 1 year left.

No team is signing up for 6 years of Nurse for 1 year of Draisaitl.

Edmonton would never attach Draisaitl to dump Nurse and they likely would never trade Draisaitl to Utah. If he doesn’t want to sign they’ll ask him for a list of teams he’d sign an extension with and then they’ll deal him with an extension in place to which ever of those teams wants to add a top player in the game at C the most. If he’s leaving Edmonton I doubt Utah is on his list.

It’s all moot though because they’re getting an extension done right around McDavid’s wedding. A little wedding present from Jackson and Leon.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

What does 1 year of Draisaitl do for Utah? They almost certainly still miss the playoffs, by a lot too. Then, they’re stuck with 5 more years of Nurse after that. How does this help them in any way? From an ownership perspective, it’s just throwing money down the toilet with no upside.

From an ownership prospective… they want to be a legitimate franchise in Utah after being a complete joke in Arizona. They cut Leon Draisaitl the biggest check in hockey history and he’s there for a long time.

It helps them by giving them a 100 point C to go along with the Cooley or Keller they don’t trade

 

[dgibb10]

I would not take on the full Nurse contract for 1 year of Drai

 

[Chayos]

From an ownership prospective… they want to be a legitimate franchise in Utah after being a complete joke in Arizona. They cut Leon Draisaitl the biggest check in hockey history and he’s there for a long time.

It helps them by giving them a 100 point C to go along with the Cooley or Keller they don’t trade

If Negotiations go nowhere and the oilers need to move Drai, then Utah would be a great target for that move. Planning anything but a trade for Draisaitl is a waste of time because the Oilers will never let him walk for nothing.

as for the Nurse part of it that is another deal for another day. There is always going to be a way to move the contract its a question of when the price becomes acceptable. Currently the play is keeping him and riding out a year of the contract. Lots of things can happen in that time.

 

[dgibb10]

Ummm. Yeah, you would.

Draisaitl isn’t on the market. Edmonton will do everything to try to re-sign him first. If they can’t, and it becomes known, they’re letting the other team talk turkey on a contract with Leon.

If an extension is so massive that it means Edmonton can't afford it, it doesn't add value to another team.

I see so much of this.

"well, if *insert rental here* wants too much money that we can't afford him, we'll trade him and other teams will clearly add multiple 1sts to get this contract extension that we don't think he's worth"

 

[Garbageyuk]

From an ownership prospective… they want to be a legitimate franchise in Utah after being a complete joke in Arizona. They cut Leon Draisaitl the biggest check in hockey history and he’s there for a long time.

It helps them by giving them a 100 point C to go along with the Cooley or Keller they don’t trade

If they thought they had a chance to sign him long term, why wouldn’t they just wait until he’s a UFA in 1 year and make their pitch then? Why give up assets and take on a boat anchor in Nurse, just for the last year of Drai’s contract? It makes no sense.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

If an extension is so massive that it means Edmonton can't afford it, it doesn't add value to another team.

I see so much of this.

"well, if *insert rental here* wants too much money that we can't afford him, we'll trade him and other teams will clearly add multiple 1sts to get this contract extension that we don't think he's worth"

The Oilers will never let Leon walk over money. At the AAV he will be getting the Oilers have a huge advantage with the 8th year. If the Oilers are paying him 13-13.5 a year other teams have to pay 15-15.5 just to match and pushing 16 to beat Oilers offer.

So being able to offer that 8th year on an extension is huge, in addition to guaranteeing you get him instead of someone else making a deal for him and him not even getting to UFA or he makes it and you’re competing with a pool of other GM’s ready to do something crazy.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

If an extension is so massive that it means Edmonton can't afford it, it doesn't add value to another team.

I see so much of this.

"well, if *insert rental here* wants too much money that we can't afford him, we'll trade him and other teams will clearly add multiple 1sts to get this contract extension that we don't think he's worth"

Other teams like that are usually lacking a 1C and Edmonton is in the position where they have two super duper 1Cs.

Other teams don’t have a Connor McDavid who can rightfully demand the highest contract in the league if he so chose.

A 15M contract to Draisaitl from Edmonton makes no sense because they have 12.5M McDavid who will eventually need a massive raise and you’re talking a third of your cap to two players. Whereas, Utah has Keller at a bit over 7 for a long time, Schmaltz at 5.875 for several more years… and a glaring need for both star power and a 1C

If they thought they had a chance to sign him long term, why wouldn’t they just wait until he’s a UFA in 1 year and make their pitch then? Why give up assets and take on a boat anchor in Nurse, just for the last year of Drai’s contract? It makes no sense.

Because let’s face it… in a UFA bidding war, Utah isn’t getting their phone call answered by Draisaitl’s agent.

If Negotiations go nowhere and the oilers need to move Drai, then Utah would be a great target for that move. Planning anything but a trade for Draisaitl is a waste of time because the Oilers will never let him walk for nothing.

as for the Nurse part of it that is another deal for another day. There is always going to be a way to move the contract its a question of when the price becomes acceptable. Currently the play is keeping him and riding out a year of the contract. Lots of things can happen in that time.

Right. What I’m saying is they trade for him and then extend him to an ungodly sum of money

 

[Garbageyuk]

Because let’s face it… in a UFA bidding war, Utah isn’t getting their phone call answered by Draisaitl’s agent.

If that’s the case, then him being there for a year wouldn’t change anything.

 

[dgibb10]

The Oilers will never let Leon walk over money. At the AAV he will be getting the Oilers have a huge advantage with the 8th year. If the Oilers are paying him 13-13.5 a year other teams have to pay 15-15.5 just to match and pushing 16 to beat Oilers offer.

So being able to offer that 8th year on an extension is huge, in addition to guaranteeing you get him instead of someone else making a deal for him and him not even getting to UFA or he makes it and you’re competing with a pool of other GM’s ready to do something crazy.

If leon is willing to sign a reasonable contract he will be resigned. Simple, end of story.

The only reason he would be traded is if the contract he wants is unreasonable. In which case, why would I as another team pay large amounts extra for the right to pay leon draisaitl 15-16 million dollars a year until he is 37 years old.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

If leon is willing to sign a reasonable contract he will be resigned. Simple, end of story.

The only reason he would be traded is if the contract he wants is unreasonable. In which case, why would I as another team pay large amounts extra for the right to pay leon draisaitl 15-16 million dollars a year until he is 37 years old.

The only reason Leon is going to leave Edmonton is for lifestyle reasons and wanting to be in another city.

Edmonton can beat anyone on money with the 8th year and there’s not many teams he’s going to have a better chance to win on than the one he’s currently on. Oilers probably have the best combination of money and chance to win that he’s going to find.

 

[Panthaz89]

Do people really think these proposals where one team is sending a top 5 arguably top 2 player in the league is going to ever happens when they aren't getting anyone in the same stratosphere back in return?

 

[Three On Zero]

Do people really think these proposals where one team is sending a top 5 arguably top 2 player in the league is going to ever happens when they aren't getting anyone in the same stratosphere back in return?

Luckily this proposal doesn’t include a top 5 or arguably a top 2 player, it’s Nurse and Draisaitl

 

[eviohh26]

Getting rid of Nurse will hurt. Alot. But not a Drai kind of hurt. Try their 3rd best young player. Which they dont have and a 1st and 2nd.

 

[Panthaz89]

Luckily this proposal doesn’t include a top 5 or arguably a top 2 player, it’s Nurse and Draisaitl

gotta be pretty biased to not think Drai isn't a top 5 player in the league when he's been absolutely dominant in both the regular season and the playoffs for years now.

 

[Three On Zero]

gotta be pretty biased to not think Drai isn't a top 5 player in the league when he's been absolutely dominant in both the regular season and the playoffs for years now.

Just a realist, great supporting player but he doesn’t do much when he isn’t with McDavid

 

[trojansoilers]

Just a realist, great supporting player but he doesn’t do much when he isn’t with McDavid

Draisaitl literally won the MVP the year McDavid's year was cut short due to injury.
Just a realist, but you're a terrible troll.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

If leon is willing to sign a reasonable contract he will be resigned. Simple, end of story.

The only reason he would be traded is if the contract he wants is unreasonable. In which case, why would I as another team pay large amounts extra for the right to pay leon draisaitl 15-16 million dollars a year until he is 37 years old.

Because I as another team may not have a 1C and may have a whole lot of cap room.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If an extension is so massive that it means Edmonton can't afford it, it doesn't add value to another team.

I see so much of this.

"well, if *insert rental here* wants too much money that we can't afford him, we'll trade him and other teams will clearly add multiple 1sts to get this contract extension that we don't think he's worth"

oh, Edmonton can certainly afford it. Affording it isn't the question. Edmonton wants to keep Draisaitl. The main question that needs to be answered is whether Leon Draisaitl is content to be McDavid's "Malkin" for the duration of his career.

If leon is willing to sign a reasonable contract he will be resigned. Simple, end of story.

The only reason he would be traded is if the contract he wants is unreasonable. In which case, why would I as another team pay large amounts extra for the right to pay leon draisaitl 15-16 million dollars a year until he is 37 years old.

People seriously underestimate how difficult it is to acquire a Draisaitl quality player.

He'd be the face of the franchise for ~25 other teams in the league, and the best player to ever put on the jersey for at least half of them.

1C's are tough to get. Elite 1C's are tougher. Franchise 1C's are next to impossible.

 

[Soundwave]

Edmonton would never offer this, but even in some hypothetical dream land where it was on the table, Draisaitl would nix it within 5 seconds with hit NTC.

You're going to go from a team that was in game 7 of a Cup Final and playing alongside the best player in the world to ... the Utah Coyotes? Yeah that ain't happening.

 

[belair]

Lol an Arizona fan trying to tell the rest of the league's fanbases how to win champions is the lmao part. Literally got a toe save by bobrovski from sending a game seven to ot in the finals but you can't win with super superstars.

He's not an Arizona fan. He's a Habs fan, which is worse.