IvanProvorov
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Krejci + Carlo is a fair offer.
It would be nice if DK was a couple years younger.
If I were forced to trade LD, this is a deal I would seriously consider.
You would literally have to add Tkachuk to that and the Oilers would still say no.
Drai >>>>>>>> Bennett
and the Oilers have zero use for a pick that might turn into a player that they can use in 5 years.
Counter offer. Goudreau for RNH and a 2nd in 2020
Gaudreau is worth more then a 6M$ 2nd-3rd line C and a 2nd pick buddy and you know that!
Gaudreau is worth more then a 6M$ 2nd-3rd line C and a 2nd pick buddy and you know that!
If your not the only fan, then I think alot of boston fans would agree, a future of Drai-pasta is something I have ranted about often.
I said in my post earlier I'd think a small + would need to be added. like Drai and a 2nd or something along those lines.
Couturier + Gostisbehere
Couturier + Gostisbehere
Good offer . I know other fans will look at the cap hit of the 2 players but this lets us move a defensive man .
Krejci is 10 years older than Draisaitl. No thanks. I know Carlo is a good prospect but he is just that, a prospect.
If anything Boston would be adding big time. Especially considering the Krejci caphit for the next 4 seasons on the bad side of 30 years old.
I will start off by saying Draisaitl will probably re-sign with Edmonton, so discussing a trade involving Draisaitl and even Krejci who has a NMC, said he wants to finish out his contract in Boston, is kind of pointless.Krejci is 10 years older than Draisaitl. No thanks. I know Carlo is a good prospect but he is just that, a prospect.
If anything Boston would be adding big time. Especially considering the Krejci caphit for the next 4 seasons on the bad side of 30 years old.
Is playing a full nhl season on the 1st pair still a prospect? Argue regression but he didn't have crazy numbers, so there isn't an offensive regression "due" so he may have a sophomore slump, but he won't forget how to defend.
I will start off by saying Draisaitl will probably re-sign with Edmonton, so discussing a trade involving Draisaitl and even Krejci who has a NMC, said he wants to finish out his contract in Boston, is kind of pointless.
I can understand if Edmonton does not want to get older. However, value-wise, Edmonton would be getting a #1B center who last season tied in scoring the most goals he has had in his career in a single season after getting hip surgery last offseason, and a young defenseman who looks to be a #3-4 defensive defenseman, #3D if he improves offensively, who is currently on his ELC, was a key part of Boston's PK last season, and played on the Bruins 1st-pairing (trusted by one of the stingiest coaches when it comes to defense Claude Julien). To me, that is more than fair value for someone like Draisaitl. Does it happen? Given the direction each team is heading, and the value each team places on their player(s), most likely no.
Yeah I'm not saying its a horrible deal. For me personally though, I can't see the main piece being a player 10 years older. Sure for a few years it might seem like a fair trade depending how well Carlo develops. What happens though in a few years when Krecji is gone and Drai is still in his mid 20s?
Id prefer Edmonton going the Crosby and Malkin route and keeping 2 star Centers for over a decade.
The only Boston deal that really makes sense is something around Draisaitl for Pastrnak and McAvoy/Carlo. I'd be willing to add a bit from Edmonton's side, but that stud right-handed D prospect is still necessary to make up for the difference in production and positional value.
As much as it might hurt to break up our star center combo, being able to roll:
Maroon-McDavid-Pastrnak
Lucic-RNH-Puljujarvi
Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-McAvoy/Carlo
For 3+ years is a very attractive option.
Pastrnak and Draisaitl have very similar value with Draisaitl having the edge since he can play center. The 7 point difference does not warrant a blue chip prospect to be added to Pastrnak. The Bruins wouldn't make that trade based on team needs and that offer being a gross overpayment from a Bruins perspective.
I totally agree. Draisaitl is an important player for Edmonton and for their future. Having McDavid and Draisaitl as their #1 and #2 locked down long term will be vital to their long-term success.Probably, but big 21 year old 1C's don't grow on trees and I think a gross overpayment would be exactly what would be needed to land Draisaitl.
Particularly from Boston. I'd imagine Chia hasn't forgotten or forgiven the whole Hamilton fiasco.
I totally agree. Draisaitl is an important player for Edmonton and for their future. Having McDavid and Draisaitl as their #1 and #2 locked down long term will be vital to their long-term success.
With that said, I don't think there is a team out there that would be willing to offer a #1 RW who was top 5 in scoring for RWers at the age of 21 (Pastrnak) and a projected top-pairing defenseman (McAvoy) or a defenseman that has been playing on their top-pairing while being able to handle those minutes (Carlo).
On Chiarelli, I don't get where the animosity comes from Edmonton fans and Chiarelli regarding Hamilton. Chiarelli being let go was probably for the best for the team and himself. Rookie GM Sweeney took over and was trying to sign Hamilton, future Chara replacement and really only top 4RD left after Chiarelli traded Boychuk, but Hamilton didn't respond to any of his contract offers. Then the Bruins hear the guy who left the Bruins with no prospect pool and in cap hell was rumored to offersheet a player who was their future on defense. Sweeney tried to trade Hamilton for Arizona's 1st (3rd overall), but that fell through. Up until that point, the only two teams rumored of threatening an offersheet for Hamilton were Calgary and Edmonton. Six hours after the Arizona - Boston trade talks, Hamilton was traded to Calgary for #15, #45, and #52 instead of Edmonton for #16, #33, and #57. If you factor in draft position and teams' own draft boards, the only pick that was better than Calgary's was #33 instead of #45. The threat was real because Hamilton didn't want to be a Bruin.
And that's why the Bruins probably won't forgive Chiarelli. He gets let go for putting the Bruins in a bad spot, threatens to offersheet his former team's replacement for Chara, and then he holds a grudge because he feels like his former team should have done him a solid and give him their next franchise defenseman cause Hamilton didn't want to be a Bruin as if he already knew.
Couturier + Gostisbehere
People have used that journal article as 'evidence' that Chiarelli was dangling Sweeney off a cliff by his ankles - ill say to you what I said to them. Read it over again. Nowhere does it say Chiarelli threatened, was threatening, or was in the process of tendering an offer sheet.
The entire Bruins organization looked at Chiarelli like the Boogeyman simply because he wouldn't bend the knee to Neely and tried to keep together a proven winning lineup. Sweeney was a rookie trying to outmaneuver his old boss and panicked.
I will say Chiarelli probably did know that Dougie wanted out, and probably did use that knowledge to press the issue, but that article isn't evidence.
Either way there's precisely zero chance Draisaitl ends up a Bruin unless the overpay is just gargantuan.
I didn't like the Hamilton (trade)...I knew the Bruins felt that Edmonton was going to offer sheet Hamilton. And they really felt trapped. And it (the trade) was a move they had to make right away."
Pastrnak and Draisaitl have very similar value with Draisaitl having the edge since he can play center.
The 7 point difference does not warrant a blue chip prospect to be added to Pastrnak.
The Bruins wouldn't make that trade based on team needs and that offer being a gross overpayment from a Bruins perspective.
and a projected top-pairing defenseman (McAvoy) or a defenseman that has been playing on their top-pairing while being able to handle those minutes (Carlo).
So am I supposed to ignore that Pastrnak played 7 less games than Draisaitl last season? Are we now supposed to ignore the development of players and what they may project to be? For example, should I look at Mark Scheifele's first two seasons (34pts, 49 points) and say he is not a superior player to so and so even though he broke out last season and became/is becoming one of the league's best centermen? Is Seguin not a great player because of his playoff points?No, they really don't. Allow me to explain:
You mean the 7-point difference last year, and the 25-point difference the year before that? Oh, and then there was this past playoffs (1.23 PPG to 0.7).
Draisaitl has always been the superior player, and that's even before you get into the gulf in value between centers and wingers. You're darn right it would take a blue chip prospect.
What team wouldn't want a player like Draisaitl? What you fail to understand are other teams' needs and that a scoresheet doesn't tell the whole story.So the Bruins don't need a young top-ten scoring center. Wow, that's quite a team you have there. Surprised they were knocked out in six. You'd think they could have gone all the way with that sort of depth.
You can "project" all you want, but neither Carlo nor McAvoy have top pairing defenseman value today. However, if you want to talk about real, actual events, Draisaitl has been a better player than Pastrnak despite them being the same age- and that, again, is even before weighing the difference in value between a C and W.
Just for ***** and giggles, does Kuznetsov interest you? Signed for $7.8mm/year for the next 8 years. If you want to make things really interesting, package Carlson in there as well. Isn't RD a need for Edmonton?
Evgeny Kuznetsov
John Carlson
Leon Draisaitl
??
This is terrible for the caps