Post-Game Talk: Drai speedruns Duck Hunt

[Tobias Kahun]

Doesn’t matter.

“Allowed another shot over his shoulder with a minute left, goes down too quick again blah blah blah”

The quality of goal that goes in on Skinner doesn’t seem to matter anymore. The derangement syndrome is such that the fact he let in a breakaway goal is dominating discussion in a 3-2 win where he had a .930+ SV%. It’s insane.

That draisaitl goal was 100x more dangerous than both goals Skinner let in.

You think that second goal was fine to give up? It was a wrister from the point, and Skinner just drops in the butterfly and waves his glove around.

 

[guymez]

Yeah, other teams dont give up HDSC on steroids like the Oilers do, or do the Goalies just perform better?

Not sure whos chance it was but Grubauer pretty much stoned a player with his glove that was 99% chance of being a goal, or what you'd call a HDSC on steroids.

Also stoned Draisaitl with an elevated one timer.

This whole "The oilers give up HDSC on steroids" is a myth."

If you watch enough games, the Oilers dont give up any more grade A chances than anyone else, often they give up much fewer, yet their goalies actually make the saves, meanwhile our goalies are never expected to make them because they're "HDSC on steroids"


Thank god.

So you isolate an example or 2 and then use that as a counter argument? That makes any counter opinions a myth? Of course to suggest that Skinner ever took away a goal would be a ridiculous assertion...correct?
Skinner is what he is...an average goalie and thats better than what the Oilers are actually paying for. If they dont sign Jack Campbell then maybe they arent in this situation where the expectation by fans like you is that they can pay bottom basement pricing and still get better than average goaltending.

In any event I am getting some deja vu here.

IIRC you are the same poster that chastised me (and others) because I wanted to see more from Bouchard defensively last season. You were full on convinced that Bouchard was the real deal defensively. You laughed at the thought that anyone could think otherwise.
You then proceeded to try and convice me last season that Bouchard made Ekholm a better dman.

Hows that looking to you now?

 

[Fourier]

We’re closer to 9th in the conference than we are 1st. We wouldn’t even have home ice advantage for the first round if the playoffs started today.

If expectations were to be the best in the league, than this team has underperformed all season long.

I am not sure you can really say they have been underperforming all year. They are on pace for 107 points right now and if you throw out the brutal 3 game start they are on a 117 point pace over the last 36 games. Since the cap came into place only 8 teams have had more than 117 points.

They can only control what other teams do when they are playing them. The fact that Vegas is on a heater is not something the Oilers can control.

 

[K1984]

That draisaitl goal was 100x more dangerous than both goals Skinner let in.

You think that second goal was fine to give up? It was a wrister from the point, and Skinner just drops in the butterfly and waves his glove around.

You think Dostal’s second goal was fine to give up? Unscreened wrist shot from a D man from distance? The second goal on Skinner was worlds more difficult to save than that, yet Dostal gets lauded as some lament that we don’t have him instead. It’s a ridiculous double standard.

In before some explanation about how the second goal on Dostal was actually very hard while a beer league goalie could have saved Skinners or some nonsense.

If you want to say Skinner sucked in that game, then fine. Don’t agree with it, but whatever. However, it is straight up cognitive dissonance to say that Dostal was amazing and Skinner wasn’t in that game.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

So you isolate an example or 2 and then use that as a counter argument? That makes any counter opinions a myth? Of course to suggest that Skinner ever took away a goal would be a ridiculous assertion...correct?
Skinner is what he is...an average goalie and thats better than what the Oilers are actually paying for. If they dont sign Jack Campbell then maybe they arent in this situation where the expectation by fans like you is that they can pay bottom basement pricing and still get better than average goaltending.

In any event I am getting some deja vu here.

IIRC you are the same poster that chastised me (and others) because I wanted to see more from Bouchard defensively last season. You were full on convinced that Bouchard was the real deal defensively. You laughed at the thought that anyone could think otherwise.
You then proceeded to try and convice me last season that Bouchard made Ekholm a better dman.

Hows that looking to you now?

Bouchard is getting scored on at a lower rate than Ekholm.

Thoughts?

My counter argument was showing that the Oilers arent the only team who gives up super HDSC's.

Other teams do also,

And yes, Ekholm and Bouchard both made eachother better dmen last year, they both haven't been nearly as good as they were last year.

Defensively they've been similar, but last year they were so much more dominant offensively.

Ekholm and Bouchard of D who have played 500 minutes this year, are currently 2nd and 4th in Shots against.
11th and 14th in SCA.
15th and 33rd in HDCA.

They are 1st and 3rd in xGF%

Also if you're using Skinners salary as an excuse for him letting in bad goals.

Bouchard is only making 3.9m this year.