Draft Pick Pondering
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I don't think it's a lack of guts, but how many teams are actively looking to trade out of the top 10? Those sort of trades you see more often in the NFL, but football is a different beast than the NHL. In the NFL, you can reasonably expect a 2nd/3rd/4th round pick to make your roster and contribute immediately. Plus the sheer number of positions makes it more palatable to drop back if you're targeting a certain position.
In terms of trading up, here are a couple recent examples:
2008: Anaheim trades #12 to Los Angeles for #17 and #28
2009: NY Islanders did a pair of trades to get to #12 at a cost of #26, #37, #62, #92, and #181
2017: Arizona trades #7 and Tony DeAngelo to the NY Rangers for Derek Stepan and Antti Raanta
The only team in the top 10 that I could conceivably see trading out might be Edmonton and that might be contingent on dumping a bad contract.
In terms of trading up, here are a couple recent examples:
2008: Anaheim trades #12 to Los Angeles for #17 and #28
2009: NY Islanders did a pair of trades to get to #12 at a cost of #26, #37, #62, #92, and #181
2017: Arizona trades #7 and Tony DeAngelo to the NY Rangers for Derek Stepan and Antti Raanta
The only team in the top 10 that I could conceivably see trading out might be Edmonton and that might be contingent on dumping a bad contract.
It's not just the Top 10 but I have read a lot of articles stating that teams are resistant to move 1st round picks nowadays. I don't think that the Kings should move any of their top 3 picks just to move up. I would move a pick and a player rather than give a 2 for 1.
What do you guys think about those if every pick stay the way they are.
Quick + Toronto 1st for Edmonton 1st
Ott 1st for Kopitar
Buffalo 1st + Ristolainen for Doughty
Quick + Toronto 1st for Edmonton 1st
Ott 1st for Kopitar
Buffalo 1st + Ristolainen for Doughty
2-4 Slashin
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Intriguing thoughts. I didn't mean that I think we should move a first round pick to move up higher in the first round. I was referring more to the moving of prospects, roster player and/or later round picks for additional 1st round picks.
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I think Edmonton taking Quick would be smart for them and the Kings, I doubt they'd pull the trigger on it.
Unless they're sending back Koskinen (and maybe others), I'm not sure Edmonton has the cap space for that. As it is, they're going to have to carve out some cap space or risk bringing back the same roster as last year.
Colorado seems to be a budget team, so I'm not sure they could afford Kopitar's remaining 40 million over 5 years. Naturally it depends on where that pick ends up. #1 or #2 and I think they're content to keep the pick. But if it's lower, I'm not sure it's great PR for the Kings to trade a franchise face for a Cozens/Dach/Byram.
And that's assuming Kopitar wouldn't block the trade.
I'm doubting Doughty waives his NMC for Buffalo. But maybe that's just me.
There was speculation that Blake was intending to trade up if he loses out on the Hughes sweepstakes, but it takes two to tango and most aren't going to budge without serious overpayment. Other teams are going to want you to pair your pick with something you really don't want to give up and likely another lower pick. We'd have to give up a 1st+2nd+Kupari or something. It's going to take a steep price even in lackluster draft classes.
Edit - Even that won't be enough to trade up to first overall if our pick falls much... It might get us into 10th overall if there is someone willing to deal.
Edit - Even that won't be enough to trade up to first overall if our pick falls much... It might get us into 10th overall if there is someone willing to deal.
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I suppose the Kings could move up and get another pick in the top 10 overall by moving the Toronto 1st and a high-level prospect like Kupari. I wouldn't recommend it though unless Blake and the scouts believe another player in the top 10 is an "impossible to miss" player. Not sure there are many of those in this draft outside of the top 2 or 3 players.
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raswilliam
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wsnt that buffao? They selected tyler meyers at 12th and we selected colton tuebert at 13. fail.
2008 NHL Entry Draft Transactions
Kings traded up to #12 with Anaheim, then back down to #13 with Buffalo.
Funny blip about Anaheim trading down: They apparently were targeting Erik Karlsson who they thought would still be available at #17. Ottawa traded up from #18 to #15 to snag Karlsson. Anaheim ended up with Jake Gardiner at #17. They then traded #28 to Phoenix for #35 and #39. Coyotes drafted Viktor Tikhonov who the Kings apparently would have taken at #32. Kings ended up with Voynov. With their two picks, Anaheim took Nicolas Deschamps and Eric O'Dell.
The opportunity cost between Karlsson and Gardiner wasn't worth it in this case. You can't help but wonder if that decision might have been the difference between another Cup appearance or two for the Getzlaf/Perry era. Meanwhile the Kings might've been defaulted into the better pick in Voynov.
raswilliam
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I reread the trade from the first round and it was a cluster. I look back at this draft a lot and think of what could have been if we snagged Karlsson. Hockey news had him ranked in the 40's and so did a lot of other scouts. He was like 5'10" 165 lbs.
Karlsson was definitely a late riser. Bob McKenzie's rankings over the years are usually the most "accurate" if only because he polls his contacts right before the draft. I think he had Karlsson in the mid-20s.
Over the years I've learned to accept that The Hockey News' Draft Preview is usually outdated by the time it hits newsstands. Usually there's a few guys who have big U18 tournaments and rise up the rankings (Kotkaniemi last year). But THN seems to compile its list before the tournament is over and that can result in some goofy rankings. I think they had Kotkaniemi at #18 as a result.
I think I still hold a grudge against THN for the 2011 Draft. In my keeper league, if you aren't present for your pick and didn't send in a list, you get defaulted to THN's list. I accidentally slept in and my first thought upon waking up was "Oh crap, Zack Phillips." THN had inexplicably ranked Phillips #9 that year and my pick got defaulted to him. [/coolstorybro]
Over the years I've learned to accept that The Hockey News' Draft Preview is usually outdated by the time it hits newsstands. Usually there's a few guys who have big U18 tournaments and rise up the rankings (Kotkaniemi last year). But THN seems to compile its list before the tournament is over and that can result in some goofy rankings. I think they had Kotkaniemi at #18 as a result.
I think I still hold a grudge against THN for the 2011 Draft. In my keeper league, if you aren't present for your pick and didn't send in a list, you get defaulted to THN's list. I accidentally slept in and my first thought upon waking up was "Oh crap, Zack Phillips." THN had inexplicably ranked Phillips #9 that year and my pick got defaulted to him. [/coolstorybro]
2-4 Slashin
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Now that the draft is over. Any chance we trade up with picks or prospects into the top 8? To me that’s were it really bottoms out.
You’d have to look and see what teams might want/need more immediate help than down the line.
Colorado at #4? Maybe since they’re a playoff team but that’ll cost you a lot.
Buffalo at 7? Doubtful, we won’t be willing to trade anything that might push them towards playoffs except possibly Quick. But Quick alone won’t get it done.
Edmonton at 8? Same as Buffalo, but maybe if you take back a bad contact but still doubtful.
Spots I see to trade up is Philadelphia at 11, Florida at 13, Avalanche at 16, Vegas at 17 if they’re going completely all in.
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Doughty and Kopitar are not being traded.
deaderhead28
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The Mayor John Hoven does lots of Kings prospect rankings and updates,go search on Twitter.Tons of good information.
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Kings can try to move up but they will offer Toffoli and a pick
I think the 8OA (Oilers pick) can be in play if they can rid the Lucic contact.
If it is strictly to get in the top 10 with prospects with no cap dump coming back:
Kupari, and the TOR first will get you in top 10. Overpayment and won't get you top 2!
I think the 8OA (Oilers pick) can be in play if they can rid the Lucic contact.
If it is strictly to get in the top 10 with prospects with no cap dump coming back:
Kupari, and the TOR first will get you in top 10. Overpayment and won't get you top 2!
2-4 Slashin
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Yeah I have no allusions that we’re gonna get in at the top three but there are some pretty rich pics in the top eight that I’d like to see us load up on. I totally be willing to take on Lucic at 50% retention for the #8OA pick. There is no way they’re going to get rid of Lucic with the #8OA for anything less than 50% retention unless they include RNH or a good D prospect then ask for a good young player with a little term back. Personally I think Cozens and Zegras would be a win. Maybe even trade #24OA and TT OR Kempe for #7 and shoot for 3 in the top 10.
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who is available at three that is significantly better than 5? is byram or podkolzin more valuable than turcotte or cozens or dach? theres pretty much a consensus top two, and then a “next five” or so that can go in any order
Even though Turcotte is my guy, I don’t think he’ll be there for us.. people keep talking about his hip injury but forget to mention he cane back from that and scored almost a goal per game.... a goal per game !!
He has a ton of Jonathan Toews to his game, I think we could kinda maybe use that..
2-4 Slashin
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Yeah I’m I’m fairly certain we’re not gonna get it at the top two but there are some pretty rich pics in the top eight that I’d like to see us load up on. I totally be willing to take on Lucic at 50% retention for the #8OA pick. There is no way they’re going to get rid of Lucic with the #8OA for anything less than 50% retention unless they include RNH or a good D prospect then ask for a good young player with a little term back. Personally I think I’d feel great with any two of Dach, Cozens, Byram or Zegras. And it’s really not that unrealistic with some pieces we have.
riznat
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The fact that Lucic has to be protected in the expansion draft is a big no go.
kilowatt
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100%. Plus, to me, Lucic is really a representation of the beginning of the end for LA. A bad omen or something. No thank you.
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