NHL Draft lottery race II - Bruins locked into 5th before ping pong balls.

[KillerMillerTime]

I am worried about a trademark Sweneely reach at pick 4 Desnoyers or O'Brien for instance.

I wouldn't consider Caleb Desnoyers a huge reach at 4.

 

[PB37]

I mean I got shooed away for saying this exact thing this morning in the roster/cap thread. What the hell hahaha

His example makes it easier to get behind the idea. In this scenerio, the Bruins ask for permission to talk and make a pitch before making the trade. I dont know if it works like that ( i know it's been done before with NHL players ) but that is a lot better than rolling the dice, trading the first and then Howard not liking what the Bruins are selling and he goes to free agency.

 

[McBrom7]

His example makes it easier to get behind the idea. In this scenerio, the Bruins ask for permission to talk and make a pitch before making the trade. I dont know if it works like that ( i know it's been done before with NHL players ) but that is a lot better than rolling the dice, trading the first and then Howard not liking what the Bruins are selling and he goes to free agency.

I agree the nuisance of the hypothetical situation makes it easier to like. My question was simply would you give a first for the player, which is done in both scenarios.

I guess I just wanted to get a gauge on people’s thoughts of the player haha cause I liked him a lot at the WJC. Good left handed, shot first guy. Produced at almost every level he’s played at. I think it would be a good fit.

He also excels in the bumper position on the PP. which is another need for this team.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I agree the nuisance of the hypothetical situation makes it easier to like. My question was simply would you give a first for the player, which is done in both scenarios.

I guess I just wanted to get a gauge on people’s thoughts of the player haha cause I liked him a lot at the WJC. Good left handed, shot first guy. Produced at almost every level he’s played at. I think it would be a good fit.

He also excels in the bumper position on the PP. which is another need for this team.

Upon seeing many more highlights, kid has everything, but it will take four or five years for it all to develop, particularly skating. I did change my mind a bit and like him better than Hagens in the long run. He is only just 18, so four development years seems about right.

 

[McBrom7]

Upon seeing many more highlights, kid has everything, but it will take four or five years for it all to develop, particularly skating. I did change my mind a bit and like him better than Hagens in the long run. He is only just 18, so four development years seems about right.

I’m very excited about a lot of these players at the top of the draft and I think Desnoyers would be a great Bruin.

I seriously think he’s a full package player. Hagens has more creativity with the puck on his stick, but Desnoyers has a great pro style game already I think.

 

[Ratty]

Doesn’t a “pro-style game” also include creativity in play?

 

[dafoomie]

Anyone have a good read on O'Brien? Been meaning to watch some of his games. There are better centers in the draft but he's interesting.

 

[McBrom7]

Doesn’t a “pro-style game” also include creativity in play?

I mean yeah. I didn’t say he doesn’t have it? I just think Hagens has it in spades over really anyone in this draft IMO.

 

[PB37]

I agree the nuisance of the hypothetical situation makes it easier to like. My question was simply would you give a first for the player, which is done in both scenarios.

I guess I just wanted to get a gauge on people’s thoughts of the player haha cause I liked him a lot at the WJC. Good left handed, shot first guy. Produced at almost every level he’s played at. I think it would be a good fit.

He also excels in the bumper position on the PP. which is another need for this team.

- Bruins jump up to #1, draft Misa

- Bruins trade the Leafs 2026 1st round for Howard, who signs an ELC

- Bruins offer sheet Knies, 7x8. Leafs fail to match

I can get behind that offseason.

 

[Boston Bandit]

Have to remember that more than likely whoever the Bruins pick will not be playing for them next season, so they will not be filling in any missing pieces for the roster for next year

Pump the brakes on very near future expectations, players take time to develop

Pick the BPA

 

[BB88]

I guess i just dont really believe in schaefer then. Im not really a huge believer in anyone specifically in this draft so far. I think the top 5-8 guys in this draft have a legitimate shot at being the best player from it, so with that in mind i pick the one that plays a position i need.

I agree this is the worst draft out of the last 3. Those had game changers available from 1-5, this has much more question marks and why I’m a big believer this needs to be a 2 year rebuild and not 1.

Just picking once high in a weaker draft won’t rebuild the prospect pool and fix the u25 core, not a chance

But I also believe and can say that if Boston drafted the best player available they wouldn’t be in this mess. Why I believe in draft for the talent, not for the need

 

[BB88]

- Bruins jump up to #1, draft Misa

- Bruins trade the Leafs 2026 1st round for Howard, who signs an ELC

- Bruins offer sheet Knies, 7x8. Leafs fail to match

I can get behind that offseason.

Rangers are a great recent example why you don’t rush it.

They created a 2 year window and burnt down again needing basically another rebuild

Those moves are not going to jump them into the mix next year and you’d be without your -26 1st. Just draft your Knies and go for Knies like moves in -26

 

[McBrom7]

- Bruins jump up to #1, draft Misa

- Bruins trade the Leafs 2026 1st round for Howard, who signs an ELC

- Bruins offer sheet Knies, 7x8. Leafs fail to match

I can get behind that offseason.

In this scenario, wouldn’t you rather want Marner instead of Knies? Howard is shot first and is left handed LW, Misa is a LW/C - “do it all”. I would think I would rather have Marner as a right handed RW distributor and play driver of that second line long term.

Geekie - Lindholm - Pasta
Howard - Misa - Marner
Khusnutdinov - Minten - Lysell
Lauko - Kastellic - Duran

Now THATS a rebuild. I think a flaw of that team is that you’re very small and might lack grit in the middle 6.

Would still have your other assets to continue to improve in all your 1st rounders, Marchand pick, Poitras on the door step, and Dans Locmelis to push Lindholm out of 1C

 

[LJReborn]

Anyone have a good read on O'Brien? Been meaning to watch some of his games. There are better centers in the draft but he's interesting.

I think O'Brien is a lot closer to Desnoyers and Frondell then being given credit for. Have read a lot of scouting reports on him and his north/south playmaking is his strength, and every month his defensive game gets better. There are some questions about his true ceiling as a top 6 center as late as mid March, but I could see the Bruins liking him in that same 5-7 group.

 

[McBrom7]

I think O'Brien is a lot closer to Desnoyers and Frondell then being given credit for. Have read a lot of scouting reports on him and his north/south playmaking is his strength, and every month his defensive game gets better. There are some questions about his true ceiling as a top 6 center as late as mid March, but I could see the Bruins liking him in that same 5-7 group.

I think if he was a better skater, he would be in their tier. Here’s a pretty decent scouting report video on him that I shared pretty much the same feelings on the player:

 

[DKH]

Just going by the YouTube clips I’ve seen of all the top draft picks, Frondell intrigued me the most.

Granted Ive no experience other than being a fan, but I think Frondell looked damn good.

Yup agree - he’s kinda an unknown to me but he’s getting a lot of love - we end up 4OA be interesting to see if he’s three

Game playing
1. Schneider
2. Misa
3. Frondell

Who we take

Second scenario that’s just messing around

Bruins get 4 OA and Seattle offers Matty Berniers for it

He’s 22 he’s signed long term and he’s very good

Curious do you do it

 

[Guelph Bruin]

Yup agree - he’s kinda an unknown to me but he’s getting a lot of love - we end up 4OA be interesting to see if he’s three

Game playing
1. Schneider
2. Misa
3. Frondell

Who we take

Second scenario that’s just messing around

Bruins get 4 OA and Seattle offers Matty Berniers for it

He’s 22 he’s signed long term and he’s very good

Curious do you do it

I'd do it .. he's regressed a little as the league has figured him out but better for a rebuild than a green draft pick...although Martone (however you spell it) at 4 OA would also be a good choice... ...

 

[Gordoff]

Yup agree - he’s kinda an unknown to me but he’s getting a lot of love - we end up 4OA be interesting to see if he’s three

Game playing
1. Schneider
2. Misa
3. Frondell

Who we take

Second scenario that’s just messing around

Bruins get 4 OA and Seattle offers Matty Berniers for it

He’s 22 he’s signed long term and he’s very good

Curious do you do it

I would at least try to also get back their 2nd rounder with him, but yeah, I would probably still do it without the 2nd.
Or:
Beniers for our 1st,
Elias Lindholm for their 2nd.
This way the $$$ is close to a wash.

 

[Sevendust]

Yup agree - he’s kinda an unknown to me but he’s getting a lot of love - we end up 4OA be interesting to see if he’s three

Game playing
1. Schneider
2. Misa
3. Frondell

Who we take

Second scenario that’s just messing around

Bruins get 4 OA and Seattle offers Matty Berniers for it

He’s 22 he’s signed long term and he’s very good

Curious do you do it

Very good idea. You get a very good young player with potential who is already playing in the NHL on a position you have a need of. . The questions are, has the player you could take with the fourth overall a higher potential to be better in the future and is Beniers really the young center you should aim for.

 

[BB88]

Very good idea. You get a very good young player with potential who is already playing in the NHL on a position you have a need of. . The questions are, has the player you could take with the fourth overall a higher potential to be better in the future and is Beniers really the young center you should aim for.

This is a cap league

Cap space/elc’s are worth gold

If they trade their 1st for a player already played it’s extremely difficult to build a contender around that

Pasta, Swayman, McAvoy are all getting already paid top dollar

Beniers is not worth the 3 years of elc+ the value of a 4th overall prospect. He’s more like a 2C today than a 1C

 

[Sevendust]

This is a cap league

Cap space/elc’s are worth gold

If they trade their 1st for a player already played it’s extremely difficult to build a contender around that

Pasta, Swayman, McAvoy are all getting already paid top dollar

Yes but Beniers isn´t really expensive at 7 millions per until 2031. With the rising cap it´s not that much of a factor. Getting a young top six center right now acclerates the retool and is a huge advantage in using the prime of Pastrnak, Swayman and McAvoy. I still think it´s a thought you can consider. In the worst case you pick a player who isn´t ready to be a NHL regular until in a few years. Giving up the pick and getting help now could be a huge factor in getting back into the playoffs next year.

 

[BB88]

Yes but Beniers isn´t really expensive at 7 millions per until 2031. With the rising cap it´s not that much of a factor. Getting a young top six center right now acclerates the retool and is a huge advantage in using the prime of Pastrnak, Swayman and McAvoy. I still think it´s a thought you can consider. In the worst case you pick a player who isn´t ready to be a NHL regular until in a few years. Giving up the pick and getting help now could be a huge factor in getting back into the playoffs next year.

This team isn’t Beniers away from being a contender

You’d need to add Beniers+ a legit 1st line talent for them to be a Cup contender. Right now they have only 1 legit 1st line player in Pasta

& at that point you have to admit they can’t afford to have a competitive roster with 4 players getting top dollar, having zero quality elc’s& having Beniers, Lindholm, Lindholm likes on big money contracts

It’s building what the Rangers did and now few years later they are a complete mess

There’s no escape from it. They have to rebuild the prospect pool

 

[Bruin4]

Yup agree - he’s kinda an unknown to me but he’s getting a lot of love - we end up 4OA be interesting to see if he’s three

Game playing
1. Schneider
2. Misa
3. Frondell

Who we take

Second scenario that’s just messing around

Bruins get 4 OA and Seattle offers Matty Berniers for it

He’s 22 he’s signed long term and he’s very good

Curious do you do it

I could never see this happening not at all, but if it ever were too, Id fax the paper work before Francis could change his mind.

 

[PB37]

In this scenario, wouldn’t you rather want Marner instead of Knies? Howard is shot first and is left handed LW, Misa is a LW/C - “do it all”. I would think I would rather have Marner as a right handed RW distributor and play driver of that second line long term.

Geekie - Lindholm - Pasta
Howard - Misa - Marner
Khusnutdinov - Minten - Lysell
Lauko - Kastellic - Duran

Now THATS a rebuild. I think a flaw of that team is that you’re very small and might lack grit in the middle 6.

Would still have your other assets to continue to improve in all your 1st rounders, Marchand pick, Poitras on the door step, and Dans Locmelis to push Lindholm out of 1C

I wouldn't be penciling in any draft pick into next year's lineup just now. No need to rush things unless they force themselves.

 

[bme44]

I wouldn't be penciling in any draft pick into next year's lineup just now. No need to rush things unless they force themselves.

Exactly this, Taking the BPA is not about what that draft pick does next year. You take the player, you hope can give you 10 solid years as an NHL player.