NHL Draft lottery race - Bruins currently have 4th Pick

[Fenian24]

It's not remotely nuts

Kessel had 18G 33A his draft year, a ratio 1.83 Assists to Goals.

Hagens had 18G 29A his draft year, a ratio 1.61 Assists to Goals.

They are roughly the same height and not dissimilar skating styles, so you flat out are wrong. Just like you were with Chychrun, the shooting % and the Carlo\Kesselring
issue. Keep doing what your best at and keep shifting goalposts...lol.

Does Hagens love hotdogs and hate the gym as much as The Thrill did?

 

[Dr Hook]

Does Hagens love hotdogs and hate the gym as much as The Thrill did?

Whitney was talking about Phil some years back on Chiclets and what it was like being his teammate. Hilarious stuff if you can find it.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Does Hagens love hotdogs and hate the gym as much as The Thrill did?

Don't know if he likes brats better than dogs but one thing I can tell you Fenian is he is less physical than Kessel in the games I have watched.

He spit the bit in the U18 Gold Medal game and didn't bear down on what could have been the OT game winner in this years U20 Gold Medal game.

Not a fan of the players compete level when things get physical.

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

I want 4OA wrapped up before the last game so they can win shirts off their back night

 

[Oates2Neely]

It’s not simply Pasta vs Barkov because Barkov is a franchise C, something Boston is missing completely..
When you don’t have that you are deemed to fail

This draft isn’t like few years ago where you had 3 franchise C’s available at the top, these prospects aren’t quaranteed to be among the best C’s in the league, they carry more risk

+ again there’s nothing in the prospect pool

So if you are betting on figuring that mess out in 1 weaker draft you are most likely doomed to fail..

Florida has 3 legit elite forwards in their roster+ Bennett, Verhaeghe, Lundell

Boston right now has Pasta

Tampa has 3 legit elite forwards, + quality depth

Boston again has Pasta

You can build a good team with your plan, not an elite team. They are in a situation where they are forced to fix it by draft. You can’t afford to trade the amount they’d have to to add enough elite talent to make them a contender. That’s the issue, that’s the point which you are completely ignoring

They are 2-3 high end forwards away from being a Stanley Cup contender, they don’t have the assets for that right now. Draft, draft, draft

You have a last place team in the East and you are determined they are in a place to go for the win now moves.. and just ignore building the base. Sounds like a winner. Start building the house from the roof and not from the bottom

Once again you’re ignoring the premise of my post. The Panthers did not trade elite prospects to acquire Verhaeghe Reinhart or Bennett. If the Bruins had a good pro scouting staff they could identify such players and make some solid trades.

The Panthers were not a playoff team when they made those acquisitions.

Florida did not acquire Tkachuk until the summer of 2022. Again you’re ignoring that the Panthers were trading nothing of significance to acquire top 6 players, without having more of a core than the current Bruins do now.

You continue to suggest the Bruins should tank next season to build through the draft. They have the assets NOW to acquire talent, and STILL keep their own 1st round picks. So IF a top 6 player becomes available this summer 2025, why should the bruins be in on it?? Why should they wait until 2026?

The 2024-25 Bruins are in last place mostly because injuries to key players, and Swayman skipping camp. Clearly this roster has several flaws. They can fill one hole with what looks like a top 5 pick this summer. Lohrei Poitras will be a year older. They need to make trades (this summer) to acquire talent.

If I’m Sweeney I’m shopping Mittlestadt, Toronto 2026 1st, three 2nd round picks, Lysell, Merkulov, and anyone else not named Pastrnak McAvoy Swayman.

This team should be a playoff team next season.

 

[PlayMakers]

I got nervous when we went up 2-0 against Buffalo. We need that high pick.

Finish 4th, if you don't win the lottery, see if you can swap picks with Chicago.

SJ takes Schaefer
BOS takes Misa
NAS takes Hagens (to play with Stiga)
CHI takes Martone (to play with Bedard)

 

[Absurdity]

I got nervous when we went up 2-0 against Buffalo. We need that high pick.

Finish 4th, if you don't win the lottery, see if you can swap picks with Chicago.

SJ takes Schaefer
BOS takes Misa
NAS takes Hagens (to play with Stiga)
CHI takes Martone (to play with Bedard)

I think the Bruins do well picking Schaefer, Misa, or Frondell. Hagens and Martone for me are interchangeable based on needs for the 4th and 5th in the draft.

 

[bp14]

If the Bruins pick #4 and Hagens, Frondell and Desoyners are all still there, which one do you pick?

Seems like Frondell might be ready now? He allegedly has the best shot of the top picks and is physically ready for the NHL. 6'1", 198

Does Hagens stay in school for another year or does he come out now? Hagens gives you speed and puck carrying. The Bruins need speed. 5'10", 176.

Desoyners seems like a #2C. He plays a smart game and is physical. Shades of David Krecji as far as thinking the game? 6'2", 172. He has a large frame that he will grow into.

Assuming no change after the lottery. Nashville will pick #3. I've seen projections that they will take Hagens.

I don’t think “ready now” should be a remote factor here.

IMO it’s simply this: rank centers in the draft based on #1 center potential, then pick the highest one still there. Simple.

 

[Ace0813]

I got nervous when we went up 2-0 against Buffalo. We need that high pick.

Finish 4th, if you don't win the lottery, see if you can swap picks with Chicago.

SJ takes Schaefer
BOS takes Misa
NAS takes Hagens (to play with Stiga)
CHI takes Martone (to play with Bedard)

 

[BB88]

Once again you’re ignoring the premise of my post. The Panthers did not trade elite prospects to acquire Verhaeghe Reinhart or Bennett. If the Bruins had a good pro scouting staff they could identify such players and make some solid trades.

The Panthers were not a playoff team when they made those acquisitions.

Florida did not acquire Tkachuk until the summer of 2022. Again you’re ignoring that the Panthers were trading nothing of significance to acquire top 6 players, without having more of a core than the current Bruins do now.

You continue to suggest the Bruins should tank next season to build through the draft. They have the assets NOW to acquire talent, and STILL keep their own 1st round picks. So IF a top 6 player becomes available this summer 2025, why should the bruins be in on it?? Why should they wait until 2026?

The 2024-25 Bruins are in last place mostly because injuries to key players, and Swayman skipping camp. Clearly this roster has several flaws. They can fill one hole with what looks like a top 5 pick this summer. Lohrei Poitras will be a year older. They need to make trades (this summer) to acquire talent.

If I’m Sweeney I’m shopping Mittlestadt, Toronto 2026 1st, three 2nd round picks, Lysell, Merkulov, and anyone else not named Pastrnak McAvoy Swayman.

This team should be a playoff team next season.

………

Tkachuk took Huberdeau, a superstar winger+ Weegar, Floridas 1D+ a 1st round pick

Similar Reinhart deal would take the best prospect Boston has + a 1st round pick

Sure this team is in a position to trade those assets…

Boston is 2-3 high end forwards away from contending.

No matter the prospect they pick this year he’s at best 2-3 years away from being a high end forward at the NHL level.

So no matter what you do this summer you are not going to turn them into a contender 2025-2026, you are not going to find 2-3 high end forwards this summer

So why not focus on draft -25& -26, add 2 of the desperately needed elite prospects, gather more assets and make 1-2 bigger trades in 2026-2027?

I haven’t said tank, I’ve said don’t do anything stupid. Just keep the roster as is, focus on rebuilding the prospect pool, gain more assets to be used in trades and do the win now moves when the roster is ready for them. Like the Panthers were. They had already drafted their franchise C, they already had their 1D in the building, they already had their 1G in the building, but keep ignoring the point. They didn’t have to trade for their 1C, 1D or a 1G at that point, they had to trade for the surrounding talent.

You just so desperately want them to be a mid tier team and stay as a mid tier team. You want them to have to trade/sign their Tkachuk, their Reinhart, their Bennett. As if they had the assets to do so..

Draft your Barkov, draft your Tkachuk instead and sign/trade your Reinhart& Bennett, but nooo that sounds terrible. Rather be average

If you go for the win now moves too early the prospect pool won’t be good enough and you fall short from the start. Rushed rebuilds never work& yes the term rebuild is needed for the prospect pool

 

[Ace0813]

Based on my X number of sims on Tankathon, it seems like it's more likely at this point that the Bruins end up getting passed by and pick at six than moving up.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The Panthers were not a playoff team when they made those acquisitions.

I believe the Panthers had made the PO the year before acquiring Bennett\Rheinhart.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I don’t think “ready now” should be a remote factor here.

IMO it’s simply this: rank centers in the draft based on #1 center potential, then pick the highest one still there. Simple.

If it was that simple there would never be busts.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

Based on my X number of sims on Tankathon, it seems like it's more likely at this point that the Bruins end up getting passed by and pick at six than moving up.

Pretty much how it works. Bottom 3 gets you a top 5 pick, bottom 4 gets you a top 6 pick and so on. No single team has great odds to win either lottery and is more likely to be moved down but someone has to win and walking away with Desnoyers isn't a terrible consolation prize at 6.

 

[bp14]

If it was that simple there would never be busts.

Well I’m not suggesting they’ll be “right” with their evaluation. Not at all in fact.

I’m just saying that I don’t think some typical factors should be in play here. For example, “next year readiness” and “size” are two things I’d throw out the window.

I want the center they think has the best combo of skill, speed, ability to put up points. That’s it. If he needs another season or he’s only 5’10”, don’t care.

 

[Jim]

Is Misa actually good enough to trade up for if it magically was an option? I’m not getting the franchise altering hype from this draft that the buzz from past years has generated.

Assume we could swap our pick this year plus the lower of our two 1sts next year and Lysell for Misa. Is he worth that versus just picking whoever falls to 4?

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Is Misa actually good enough to trade up for if it magically was an option? I’m not getting the franchise altering hype from this draft that the buzz from past years has generated.

Assume we could swap our pick this year plus the lower of our two 1sts next year and Lysell for Misa. Is he worth that versus just picking whoever falls to 4?

No Misa is likely NOT a generational talent. Would he be worth trading up for in a world where that is possibly, maybe. It depends on cost and how you think they will be. If you think Misa is going to be an 80+ point player in his prime, and you think Hagens is a 65+ point player in his prime, then yes it is worth trading up for him, depending on the price.

That said if Misa was a generational player (McDavid, etc) type, then absolutely nothing you could give up would make a trade happen

 

[LJReborn]

Based on my X number of sims on Tankathon, it seems like it's more likely at this point that the Bruins end up getting passed by and pick at six than moving up.

They have won once in 12 times...I've done it daily for that period of time. You are right, most times they fall 1 spot, sometimes 2. I think they moved to second once as well.

 

[Lobster58]

They have won once in 12 times...I've done it daily for that period of time. You are right, most times they fall 1 spot, sometimes 2. I think they moved to second once as well.

they moved up to #1 the only time i spun a week or so ago. Haven't tried since, just in case...

 

[LJReborn]

Thinking back to how the Rangers didn't want Kakko or Laf and wound up winning the lottery, part of me thinks the Bruins would be perfectly fine getting picks 5-7 to select any of Frondell, Desnoyers or O'Brien.

 

[Smitty93]

They have won once in 12 times...I've done it daily for that period of time. You are right, most times they fall 1 spot, sometimes 2. I think they moved to second once as well.

Congratulations, you just discovered how odds work!

But seriously, you look at the pick odds and it gets a bit depressing.

Finish 4th -> 65.4% chance they're picking 5th or 6th
Finish 5th -> 58.2% chance they're picking 6th or 7th
Finish 6th -> 50.5% chance they're picking 7th or 8th
Only at 7th is there a better chance of staying put or moving up than dropping to 8th or 9th (57.9% vs. 42.1%)

 

[Bruin4]

Congratulations, you just discovered how odds work!

But seriously, you look at the pick odds and it gets a bit depressing.

Finish 4th -> 65.4% chance they're picking 5th or 6th
Finish 5th -> 58.2% chance they're picking 6th or 7th
Finish 6th -> 50.5% chance they're picking 7th or 8th
Only at 7th is there a better chance of staying put or moving up than dropping to 8th or 9th (57.9% vs. 42.1%)

That's some crazy $hit right there.

 

[pucksindeep92]

Congratulations, you just discovered how odds work!

But seriously, you look at the pick odds and it gets a bit depressing.

Finish 4th -> 65.4% chance they're picking 5th or 6th
Finish 5th -> 58.2% chance they're picking 6th or 7th
Finish 6th -> 50.5% chance they're picking 7th or 8th
Only at 7th is there a better chance of staying put or moving up than dropping to 8th or 9th (57.9% vs. 42.1%)

Would be a bummer to get pushed to 6th for sure

 

[quietbruinfan]

I have not seen much of Hagens, a period oF BC here or there and a couple YouTube clips, but his skating does not remind me of Phil at all. Bet it will be average or a little better at this level.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

That’s a high praise for a guy who lacks in the skating department and just tore his Achilles.

He’s skilled but he’s not among the top in this class. His game is purely based on his motor and how hard he hustles which is great you want guys who don’t give up but Marchand and Jarvis are also very very skilled players. Not to say he can develop that skill he’s just way more likely to become a really good 3rd liner fringe 2nd line then a top line winger.

I’d compare him more to Hyman pre oilers stint

Okay but look at Hyman now right? Consider how Marchand was also not considered skilled enough to be anything more than a pest. Picked pretty low wasn't he.