NHL Draft lottery III - Bruins locked into 5th before ping pong balls.

[Kegs]

For me, Martone and Hagens are tied #4 in this draft because their potential is so high, but I also believe their floor is low. Martone's biggest issue is his speed, and if he will have the time and space at a professional level to make some of the plays resulting in goals currently in the OHL. From all reports he's a hard worker and has a great character which is evident by being named captain of his OHL team and at the world juniors for team Canada, so if he does need to put in the work at the NHL-level, he seems like someone that will do so in order to succeed.

U think Hagens floor is low? Interesting. Martones skating seems to be his biggest issue. What’s Hagens biggest issue? If both are on the board and the bruins are selecting 5th then I don’t know how u pass on Hagens tbh.

 

[McBrom7]

Okay one more. Pretty interesting things to say about Martone and McQueen. Sounds like the people who are expecting Martone to be the next Brady Tkachuk are going to be a little disappointed ..

 

[Absurdity]

U think Hagens floor is low? Interesting. Martones skating seems to be his biggest issue. What’s Hagens biggest issue? If both are on the board and the bruins are selecting 5th then I don’t know how u pass on Hagens tbh.

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Apr 10, 2025

Surprised by the negativity on Hagens. He has high-end skill. Sure not the biggest guy but would anyone complain if he turned into a poor man's Pasta, Patrick Kane, Point or possibly even an equivalent? We can't score. We need a serious injection of talent at forward.

His size won't be an issue. Some negatives I see is that he sometimes lacks the drive to get back on defense which could be a cardio problem, disinterest in playing outside the offensive zone, etc., but overall is a coachable fix. As a pass-first player, he sometimes forces passes instead of trying to extend the play...

• Absurdity

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If I had to pick one, it's his unforced turnovers. He's a pass-first player so he sometimes forces the pass too much instead of extending the play.

I think their floors are low from where they will be picked in the draft. I can see them anywhere from 40pt top 9 forwards to 1st liners, but they have the tools and more potential to become those 1st liners more than the safer picks after them.

 

[sarge88]

Hal allegedly was a better football than hockey prospect. I liked him more than most, but I believe it.

Classic case of a guy who was valuable in a certain role.

Great as a third pair PK guy.

 

[DKH]

That would be me. I take Misa over him and I think about Frondell but Martone could be a real game and attitude changer on Boston. If you pass on the next Brady Tkachuk for a guy that becomes a third line center it sets you back such as the 2015 draft. Well almost as much, that draft is the reason the Bruins are in the posistion now.

We kept 4 probably get a shot ~ it’s either 1 or 2, or 5-7. Just dumb we don’t have a shot at 3 and 4

I’d rather the Bruins be at 4 and the Pstriots at 5

Life is unfair

 

[Fenian24]

This was Bob McKenzie's top 20 on Sept 19, 2024. Hagens seems to be slipping and for that reason (among others). I would take Martone over him, Frondell as well. Misa and Schaefer are givens to be taken over Hagens. You may be looking at Desnoyers or Hagens at the Bruins pick and that I am not to sure about. Desnoyers is safer, Hagens has more potential to be an impact forward.

• The Top 20
• James Hagens, C - Boston College
• Matthew Schaefer, D – Erie
• Anton Frondell, C – Djurgardens
• Porter Martone, RW - Brampton
• Ivan Ryabkin, C – Moskva
• Roger McQueen, C - Brandon
• Michael Misa, LW - Saginaw
• Malcolm Spence, LW - Erie
• Logan Hensler, D - USA NTDP
• Caleb Desnoyers, C - Moncton
• William Moore, C - USA NTDP
• Radim Mrtka, D - Trinec
• Victor Eklund, LW - Djurgardens
• Jake O'Brien, C – Brantford
• Charlie Trethewey, D - USA NTDP
• Cole Reschny, C - Victoria
• Emile Guite, LW - Chicoutimi
• Jakob Ihs-Wozniak, RW - Lulea
• Braeden Cootes, C - Seattle
• Joshua Ravensbergen, G - Prince George

 

[bp14]

If anyone wants an interesting exercise go look at the final mock drafts from the last few years compared to the actual draft. Some of the most known “insiders” got basically 7/8 of the top 10 right and almost none of them got close the identical order after the first pick.

Bottom line if you have a preferred target, maybe other than the top 1-2 guys, it’s silly to pretend like it’s certain he’ll be gone by 5-6-7. History doesn’t support that.

 

[bp14]

This was Bob McKenzie's top 20 on Sept 19, 2024. Hagens seems to be slipping and for that reason (among others). I would take Martone over him, Frondell as well. Misa and Schaefer are givens to be taken over Hagens. You may be looking at Desnoyers or Hagens at the Bruins pick and that I am not to sure about. Desnoyers is safer, Hagens has more potential to be an impact forward.

• The Top 20
• James Hagens, C - Boston College
• Matthew Schaefer, D – Erie
• Anton Frondell, C – Djurgardens
• Porter Martone, RW - Brampton
• Ivan Ryabkin, C – Moskva
• Roger McQueen, C - Brandon
• Michael Misa, LW - Saginaw
• Malcolm Spence, LW - Erie
• Logan Hensler, D - USA NTDP
• Caleb Desnoyers, C - Moncton
• William Moore, C - USA NTDP
• Radim Mrtka, D - Trinec
• Victor Eklund, LW - Djurgardens
• Jake O'Brien, C – Brantford
• Charlie Trethewey, D - USA NTDP
• Cole Reschny, C - Victoria
• Emile Guite, LW - Chicoutimi
• Jakob Ihs-Wozniak, RW - Lulea
• Braeden Cootes, C - Seattle
• Joshua Ravensbergen, G - Prince George

I’ll play devils advocate and say that if Hagens “slipped” from 1 to 3-4, if he’s there at 5-6-7 I’d be all over him. If he had the talent to be #1 at any point he’s one of 2-3 guys in the last year to occupy that spot. I take him and love it.

 

[ElmegTheWise]

I don’t like the “Tkachuk” comparison that’s out there with Martone at all. To my eyes, Tyler Boucher is apples to oranges in both style and situation.

He’s much closer to a Nathan Horton or Alex Tuch physical style. A lot of grit, a lot of chippy play and feistiness to the game, but that piece shows up a little less consistently and probably won’t be the main thing that determines his success in the NHL. His ability drive play and be a duel threat to pass and shoot will be what makes him. Good news for Porter is that he’s excellent in those areas. He’s not entirely reliant on getting to the net front or laying 8 hits to be an impact player. He is effective with the puck, he can create for others, good hands, smart player, and he has a great shot from distance. You can picture the TD Garden filled with Martone jerseys if the Bruins landed him, but you can also picture some fan frustration for “dogging” it in the dark days of January for not being as physical as expected, just like Horton was.

Looking forward to seeing him at Worlds play against NHLers. That will be a huge audition.

 

[LJReborn]

In other words you like him because he’s big lol

Imagine discounting a guy like NeelyDan's opinion like that.

 

[ODAAT]

Looks like he has snuck back into the first round to say the least.

well earned

 

[bbfan419]

Because of the skating? I like Lawson Crouse but I don't think he ever had the projections or NHL comparisons that Martone is getting.

If you want them to go safe, assuming Misa is gone, take Frondell, he seems to be safer than Desnoyers, Hagens or the other projected top 10 forwards. At worst he becomes a physical 3rd line center with good hockey sense and great shot but Minten is projecting as the 3C in a year or two.

Depends where we pick, at 5th I am okay if we take Frondell or Desnoyers, at 6th, if Misa, Desnoyers and Frondell are gone, then Martone is the best PA at that point I would take him. I also have this feeling that the B's end up picking 2nd once the lottery is completed, in that case Misa for sure.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I’ll play devils advocate and say that if Hagens “slipped” from 1 to 3-4, if he’s there at 5-6-7 I’d be all over him. If he had the talent to be #1 at any point he’s one of 2-3 guys in the last year to occupy that spot. I take him and love it.

Cole Eiserman a full year before he was drafted was talked about as a potential #1
pick along with Celebrini. He ended up falling to #20 when several people days before the draft had him top 10. Now that said and not being enamored of Hagens he isn't falling out of the top 10 for certain.

 

[bbfan419]

I don’t like the “Tkachuk” comparison that’s out there with Martone at all. To my eyes, Tyler Boucher is apples to oranges in both style and situation.

He’s much closer to a Nathan Horton or Alex Tuch physical style. A lot of grit, a lot of chippy play and feistiness to the game, but that piece shows up a little less consistently and probably won’t be the main thing that determines his success in the NHL. His ability drive play and be a duel threat to pass and shoot will be what makes him. Good news for Porter is that he’s excellent in those areas. He’s not entirely reliant on getting to the net front or laying 8 hits to be an impact player. He is effective with the puck, he can create for others, good hands, smart player, and he has a great shot from distance. You can picture the TD Garden filled with Martone jerseys if the Bruins landed him, but you can also picture some fan frustration for “dogging” it in the dark days of January for not being as physical as expected, just like Horton was.

Looking forward to seeing him at Worlds play against NHLers. That will be a huge audition.

Horton is a real good comparison.

 

[DKH]

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[DKH]

Imagine discounting a guy like NeelyDan's opinion like that.

Who’s Neely Dan?

 

[bbfan419]

Question for Bruins fans: If the Bruins draft anywhere in the top 6, regardless of where they pick, if they pick BPA, does that player become our top prospect immediately or would guys like Minten, Lysell, Poitras and Zellers be ahead of him?

 

[sarge88]

I don’t like the “Tkachuk” comparison that’s out there with Martone at all. To my eyes, Tyler Boucher is apples to oranges in both style and situation.

He’s much closer to a Nathan Horton or Alex Tuch physical style. A lot of grit, a lot of chippy play and feistiness to the game, but that piece shows up a little less consistently and probably won’t be the main thing that determines his success in the NHL. His ability drive play and be a duel threat to pass and shoot will be what makes him. Good news for Porter is that he’s excellent in those areas. He’s not entirely reliant on getting to the net front or laying 8 hits to be an impact player. He is effective with the puck, he can create for others, good hands, smart player, and he has a great shot from distance. You can picture the TD Garden filled with Martone jerseys if the Bruins landed him, but you can also picture some fan frustration for “dogging” it in the dark days of January for not being as physical as expected, just like Horton was.

Looking forward to seeing him at Worlds play against NHLers. That will be a huge audition.

No idea if you’re 100% right, 100% wrong or right in the middle but welcome aboard and I look forward to reading more of your posts.

Sincerely.

 

[LJReborn]

I don’t like the “Tkachuk” comparison that’s out there with Martone at all. To my eyes, Tyler Boucher is apples to oranges in both style and situation.

He’s much closer to a Nathan Horton or Alex Tuch physical style. A lot of grit, a lot of chippy play and feistiness to the game, but that piece shows up a little less consistently and probably won’t be the main thing that determines his success in the NHL. His ability drive play and be a duel threat to pass and shoot will be what makes him. Good news for Porter is that he’s excellent in those areas. He’s not entirely reliant on getting to the net front or laying 8 hits to be an impact player. He is effective with the puck, he can create for others, good hands, smart player, and he has a great shot from distance. You can picture the TD Garden filled with Martone jerseys if the Bruins landed him, but you can also picture some fan frustration for “dogging” it in the dark days of January for not being as physical as expected, just like Horton was.

Looking forward to seeing him at Worlds play against NHLers. That will be a huge audition.

Tuch is a very good impression. Welcome.

 

[Gordoff]

Imagine discounting a guy like NeelyDan's opinion like that.

Yup, a lot of very judge-mentality here.

 

[CellyHard]

Cole Eiserman a full year before he was drafted was talked about as a potential #1
pick along with Celebrini. He ended up falling to #20 when several people days before the draft had him top 10. Now that said and not being enamored of Hagens he isn't falling out of the top 10 for certain.

I feel like that is this years Ivan Ryabkin, no? I thought he was projected top 5 at one point and now I'm seeing him in the 20-30 range

 

[The don godfather]

I would trade this pick Donny scares me with his reaches. Owen power for it . I bet buffalo says yes.

 

[since76]

Question for Bruins fans: If the Bruins draft anywhere in the top 6, regardless of where they pick, if they pick BPA, does that player become our top prospect immediately or would guys like Minten, Lysell, Poitras and Zellers be ahead of him?

If they take one of the projected first 7 , he will become instantly by 1000 miles the best prospect of Bruins
Bruins have 0 very high prospect
The players you named are all 3 rd liners at best or 4-7 def

 

[Kegs]

If they take one of the projected first 7 , he will become instantly by 1000 miles the best prospect of Bruins
Bruins have 0 very high prospect
The players you named are all 3 rd liners at best or 4-7 def

You don’t like poitras or Locmelis?

I think the bruins have some high end prospects. Maybe not a misa or Schaefer but obrien or martone are still projects. One needs to work on strength and not forcing plays apparently and the other one has a lot to work on with his skating apparently. Not to say they won’t be star players but the two prospects in the ahl are putting up very nice numbers while playing responsible two way hockey. The two ahl players are close to nhl ready I would say. Maybe you’re valuing potential upside more than nhl readiness. I put Locmelis and poitras in the high end prospects list.

One thing I’d love to add is speed. Which one of these players would be fast in the nhl. Is there data for me to use to determine which players are fast on the forecheck? Another that shows how fast they can skate with the puck on their sticks?

Google tells me:
Schaefer
Misa
Frondell
Hagens
Cullen porter
Jackson smith

So the good news is it is likely the bruins do end up with one of those prospects. Misa would be the dream. The second best option to me is Hagens. Then I don’t know. Maybe Frondell or Desnoyers(even though he is probably taken by Philly and isn’t on googles speed list)

I can see the bruins snagging Schaefer because teams pass on him because he hasn’t played enough and they love Desnoyers, misa, hagens and Frondell too much to pass.

I can see a similar situation with hagens

Teams might like other players too much to pass and he could slip to the bruins. Hagens is also a dream.

I haven’t been this excited about a draft since the seguin draft.

Crazy to think the bruins are picking 1,2, 5th, 6th or 7th.

They are definitely getting a no brainer prospect this draft.

 

[DKH]

I would trade this pick Donny scares me with his reaches. Owen power for it . I bet buffalo says yes.

You have jumped the shark

Stop listening to Felger Youth

Owen Power - no they won’t

Relax - go on vacation come back June 27 it will be ok. I promise