Draft Comparison/Present Results-

[zeke]

Oh so our GM was negotiating against phantom / could-have-would-have-should-have numbers..

That's reassuring, but also kind of expected from Kyle Dubas who's on the verge of being fired.

yep, our GM understands reality, which is why his teams are always so much better than you say they'll be.

 

[Bomber0104]

yep, our GM understands reality, which is why his teams are always so much better than you say they'll be.

Actually I predicted we get out of the first-round / play-in round again for the third year in a row (check the playoff polls, my vote is in).

I actually over-estimated how good this team would be.

You said Leafs in 4 this year though, so yeah I did a heck of a lot better than you. Reality eh? What reality lead you to think that?!

I realize this is your default go-to little statement ("we're not as bad as you said we were!!) but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about, also not true, and doesn't take away from the fact of how bad management has been which was the original point.

Your stupid stats you just posted only amplify that, so let's get back to that shall we?

 

[zeke]

Actually I predicted we get out of the first-round / play-in round again for the third year in a row (check the playoff polls, my vote is in).

I actually over-estimated how good this team would be.

You said Leafs in 4 this year though, so yeah I did a heck of a lot better than you. Reality eh? What reality lead you to think that?!

I realize this is your default go-to little statement ("we're not as bad as you said we were!!) but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about, also not true, and doesn't take away from the fact of how bad management has been which was the original point.

Your stupid stats you just posted only amplify that, so let's get back to that shall we?

Yep, every year, you're just way way off on how good the team is.

 

[LeafEgo]

Eichel career point paces

Age 19: 57pts (81gms, 19:07)
Age 20: 77pts (61gms, 19:55)
Age 21: 78pts (67gms, 20:09)
Age 22: 87pts (77gms, 20:26)
Age 23: 94pts (68gms, 22:06)
Age 24: 70pts (21gms, 20:30)
Age 25: 60pts (34gms, 19:24)
Total: 78pts (409gms, 20:15)

Mitch

Age 19: 65pts (77gms, 16:49)
Age 20: 69pts (82gms, 16:23)
Age 21: 94pts (82gms, 19:49)
Age 22: 93pts (59gms, 21:33)
Age 23: 100pts (55gms, 22:26)
Age 24: 111pts (72gms, 20:53)
Total: 87pts (427gms, 19:22)

Auston

Age 19: 69pts (82gms, 17:38)
Age 20: 83pts (62gms, 18:08)
Age 21: 88pts (68gms, 18:33)
Age 22: 94pts (70gms, 20:58)
Age 23: 104pts (52gms, 21:33)
Age 24: 119pts (73gms, 20:37)
Total: 92pts (407gms, 19:28)


Still funny to me how badly Babs screwed our young stars to start their careers.

Can you believe that Babs guy. Imagine the success the team could have had in those first two bolded years compared to what we had in the following four?

Anyway, looking at the outcome of your only data points at least it looks like he impacted Matty and Mitch more positively during those impressionable years from a development standpoint than Eichels coach. Better players defensively now as well.

Just goes to show sometimes earning things the hard way pays off.

 

[Bomber0104]

Yep, every year, you're just way way off on how good the team is.

You said the Leafs would win in 4 games against Tampa, on record with a poll vote and posting.

Way off indeed.

Project more though.

Next let's talk about your views on Ian White, Tyler Bozak, Patrice Bergeron, Dion Phaneuf, et al

 

[Bomber0104]

Eichel career point paces

Age 19: 57pts (81gms, 19:07)
Age 20: 77pts (61gms, 19:55)
Age 21: 78pts (67gms, 20:09)

Mitch

Age 19: 65pts (77gms, 16:49)
Age 20: 69pts (82gms, 16:23)
Age 21: 94pts (82gms, 19:49)

One player was a center, playing with garbage, and got paid $10.5M x 8 years.

One player was a winger, final season playing with prime John Tavares, and got paid $10.89M x 6 years.

Kyle Dubas negotiated one of these contracts, guess which!

 

[zeke]

One player was a center, playing with garbage, and got paid $10.5M x 8 years.

One player was a winger, final season playing with prime John Tavares, and got paid $10.89M x 6 years.

Kyle Dubas negotiated one of these contracts, guess which!

The one where the better player got paid more and didn't demand a trade.

 

[Bomber0104]

The one where the better player got paid more.

The one where over 8 years the winger got Connor McDavid money?

Oh nice!

 

[zeke]

Can you believe that Babs guy. Imagine the success the team could have had in those first two bolded years compared to what we had in the following four?

Anyway, looking at the outcome of your only data points at least it looks like he impacted Matty and Mitch more positively during those impressionable years from a development standpoint than Eichels coach. Better players defensively now as well.

Just goes to show sometimes earning things the hard way pays off.

Yep they just magically got good enough to deserve star ice time the moment he left, and the team was better as a result. What bad luck for babs.

It was definitely more important to give Marleau 1st line ice time.

 

[Bomber0104]

Can you believe that Babs guy. Imagine the success the team could have had in those first two bolded years compared to what we had in the following four?

Anyway, looking at the outcome of your only data points at least it looks like he impacted Matty and Mitch more positively during those impressionable years from a development standpoint than Eichels coach. Better players defensively now as well.

Just goes to show sometimes earning things the hard way pays off.

If we played them more, rookie GM Dubas would have had to pay them more than McDavid money, since what they got was already on-par with what he got despite doing a whole heck of a lot less than him.

We wouldn't have been able to afford Matt Murray as our starting goaltender in present time had that been the case

 

[LeafEgo]

Yep they just magically got good enough to deserve star ice time the moment he left, and the team was better as a result. What bad luck for babs.

It was definitely more important to give Marleau 1st line ice time.

Traditionally players get higher point totals with more ice time, and players just starting their careers get better each year. That ain't magic.

If we played them more, rookie GM Dubas would have had to pay them more than McDavid money, since what they got was already on-par with what he got despite doing a whole heck of a lot less.

We wouldn't have been able to afford Matt Murray as our starting goaltender in present time had that been the case

Let that sink in for a second.

It's amazing that someone would even bring these numbers up.

I wouldn't stunt a players development just to get them cheaper.

 

[Bomber0104]

I wouldn't stunt a players development just to get them cheaper.

There's a tightrope you walk between giving 19 year olds the keys to the city and making them earn their places within a team structure.

Fast forward to present time and they've done nothing with the total freedom and ice-time they've been given with the new GM/coach.

Same result as 2017.

Evidently something went wrong and still is wrong.

 

[zeke]

Traditionally players get higher point totals with more ice time, and players just starting their careers get better each year. That ain't magic.


I wouldn't stunt a players development just to get them cheaper.

Yep magically instantly became good enough to play real star minutes the moment babs left.

So unlucky for babs.

 

[Bomber0104]

Yep magically instantly became good enough to play real star minutes the moment babs left.

So unlucky for babs.

And same result.

Lost to the Columbus Blue Jackets*, Montreal Canadiens, and Tampa Bay Lightning in the first round..

A lot of good that did evidently...



*denotes play-in round to qualify for the playoffs

 

[LeafEgo]

Yep magically instantly became good enough to play real star minutes the moment babs left.

So unlucky for babs.

Not magic, as explained.

And I guess the point was your claim, and the argument you used to support it, has about a million holes.

I didn't run the math but it looks like Matty may have even done worse points per minute the year after your bolded year anyways.

 

[zeke]

Not magic, as explained.

And I guess the point was your claim, and the argument you used to support it, has about a million holes.

I didn't run the math but it looks like Matty may have even done worse points per minute the year after your bolded year anyways.

The moment he left. Instantly deserving star ice time.

What are the chances?

 

[stickty111]

Can you believe that Babs guy. Imagine the success the team could have had in those first two bolded years compared to what we had in the following four?

Anyway, looking at the outcome of your only data points at least it looks like he impacted Matty and Mitch more positively during those impressionable years from a development standpoint than Eichels coach. Better players defensively now as well.

Just goes to show sometimes earning things the hard way pays off.

So playing Marleau more minutes in a game 7 was more important? Hey if it's okay to try and lose an important game than nice strategy Babs.
Matthews was also regressing defensively under Babs so if he was trying to teach good habits, he clearly doesn't know how to teach.
If anything Keefe deserves more credit than Babs. He gave them star minutes and made them better defensively as well. Babs thought taking away their strengths would help but clearly not

 

[Bomber0104]

So playing Marleau more minutes in a game 7 was more important? Hey if it's okay to try and lose an important game than nice strategy Babs.
Matthews was also regressing defensively under Babs so if he was trying to teach good habits, he clearly doesn't know how to teach.
If anything Keefe deserves more credit than Babs. He gave them star minutes and made them better defensively as well. Babs thought taking away their strengths would help but clearly not

And the result has been the same.

They lose in the first round to opponents of virtually any skill level, irrespective of the series lead....

None of it has mattered vis-a-vis who is coaching the team, ice-time, line-combos, goaltending..

They lose in the first round every single time.

Old problems that have been "fixed" have sprung a host of new ones.

Something is evidently very wrong at the very core.

This season appears to be no different except nothing has really been fixed at all, just more added question marks.

 

[socko]

I predict "You Got Dubased" will be a board game in Canada someday soon, popular everywhere but Ontario. It will be like Monopoly, but in reverse, you start with everything, Boardwalk, Park Place, etc, etc. but then you land on a square and Dubas sells your top property for 10 games of Nick Foligno....

 

[Byron Bitz]

Hollowel is a bust?

 

[stickty111]

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