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Prospect Info: Draft 2025: Is it too late to tank? Asking for a friend

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Not sure who Sheng Peng is but they’re reporting SJ will listen to offers.

Depending the ask it might make sense for us if true.
 
Pancakes said:
I'd personally rather get the Ranger's pick this year. I don't believe they'll be any worse next year, and I think there's a strong chance they're better. Drury is going to pull out all the stops to be competitive next year assuming he does hand us the 2026 pick.
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Here's the thing. The Rangers aren't exactly a young team. When you reach your expiration date you're only going downhill from there. I tend to believe they have reached it. There would have to be a seismic shift IMO for them to stem the tide. If they wanna defer that pick so be it. It could be anywhere next year, but my money would be they'd miss the playoffs again. It's not as if they were ravaged by injuries to key players. Other teams just have caught up to them. A coaching change could help but...
 
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Ryder71 said:
Here's the thing. The Rangers aren't exactly a young team. When you reach your expiration date you're only going downhill from there. I tend to believe they have reached it. There would have to be a seismic shift IMO for them to stem the tide. If they wanna defer that pick so be it. It could be anywhere next year, but my money would be they'd miss the playoffs again. It's not as if they were ravaged by injuries to key players. Other teams just have caught up to them. A coaching change could help but...
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A coaching change can go a long way and I have to imagine Lavy is gone.

It will certainly be very interesting monitoring them next year if they hand us that pick.
 
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Ryder71 said:
Here's the thing. The Rangers aren't exactly a young team. When you reach your expiration date you're only going downhill from there. I tend to believe they have reached it. There would have to be a seismic shift IMO for them to stem the tide. If they wanna defer that pick so be it. It could be anywhere next year, but my money would be they'd miss the playoffs again. It's not as if they were ravaged by injuries to key players. Other teams just have caught up to them. A coaching change could help but...
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Shesterkin getting back to elite status scares me. He's good enough that even if all else fails, he could carry them to a higher pick next year.
 
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Jared Grayden said:
Shesterkin getting back to elite status scares me. He's good enough that even if all else fails, he could carry them to a higher pick next year.
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Sure, it's possible, but I'd bet against it. He hasn't been elite since 21-22. I think his best days are behind him. I'd be very nervous however if I were part of the Rangers faithful.
 
Jared Grayden said:
Shesterkin getting back to elite status scares me. He's good enough that even if all else fails, he could carry them to a higher pick next year.
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Sure, but Kreider's not even half of a 50g guy anymore, Panarin's production dipped, Zibanejad's production dipped, they have abysmal depth, their blueline's a mess beyond Fox. This might just be closer to what the Rangers are than not. -edit- And the cap jumping is already eaten up by raises to Shesterkin and Lafreniere.
 
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I've become pretty much entirely indifferent on whether the Rangers 1st comes in this year or next year. If it's this year, they're probably getting someone like Martin or Smith with it, who feel more like #15-#20 caliber guys in a normal draft. Even if the Rangers bounce back a bit into a 2nd/3rd in the Metro caliber team, their 1st at around #20 will probably have a prospect that's not much of a downgrade on who they'd be getting at #11 this year.

If anything, I'd be looking to trade down with the Rangers 1st to pick up another 2nd rounder to get another prospect. I like Lakovic, Smith and Martin at #11, but I'm not like in love with any of them.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I've become pretty much entirely indifferent on whether the Rangers 1st comes in this year or next year. If it's this year, they're probably getting someone like Martin or Smith with it, who feel more like #15-#20 caliber guys in a normal draft. Even if the Rangers bounce back a bit into a 2nd/3rd in the Metro caliber team, their 1st at around #20 will probably have a prospect that's not much of a downgrade on who they'd be getting at #11 this year.

If anything, I'd be looking to trade down with the Rangers 1st to pick up another 2nd rounder to get another prospect. I like Lakovic, Smith and Martin at #11, but I'm not like in love with any of them.
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Yeah, I pretty much want them to punt for the roll of the dice that the team craters like the Bruins did. Think you're probably ending up with a similar caliber prospect whether it's the 11th this draft or ~20th next year, but the potential that the team is as bad or worse, and potentially another shot in the draft is the tipping point.
 
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OtherThingsILike said:
As a minor quibble, the Capitals, Wild, and Senators pick positions will change depending on the playoffs. If the Wild and/or Senators make it to the Conference Final, their picks will be a few spots later. If the Capitals don't make it to the Conference Final, their pick will be a few spots earlier. I think that probably, the Wild and Senators picks will be about where they are, but the Capitals will end up being earlier.
Also, if someone like Montreal, who is ranked lower, makes it to the Conference Final, and the Wild and Senators don't, that could push the picks a spot earlier, but that seems even less likely.
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i'm rooting for the habs :laugh:
 
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Some interesting connections between us and Martin besides just the Soo one.. his teammate is Avery Hayes’ brother, and he’s also draft eligible and had a pretty solid season, probably getting picked in the later rounds. Also, 3 other teammates, Cloutier Schenkel and Carlisle, were camp invites of ours. Jack Beck is in our system and was his teammate last year.

The Soo aren’t very good but they look like they are trending in the right direction, a good crop of 06 and 07 guys that’ll be returning next year, led by Martin and Hayes. Looks like a good situation to be in.
 
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chethejet said:
McQueen if he is medically sound is a big hit or miss here. He may be the kind of center that just never elevates his skills. Or he matures and adds the size and strength to be a force around the net. If he is there at 9, draft him. Pens need to get a center and if O'brien is off the boards as are the other top centers, he is my pick.
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Ryan Kessler if he makes it?
 
I really don't think the Pens scouting is really about picking 8 or 9th. It is really about having the best draft with all the picks. Hidden gems an at. But wild card is Rangers pick. From a 2026 perspective, Pens, if that is how it shakes out, Pens have the luxury of having a shot at the top pick. If Rangers finish top 10 or higher next season, imagine all the bad PR they have to deal with. Rangers stink, have zero to show for it and Pens land the stud. You really want to take that chance on an aging out roster with a rapist as your star.
 
The Pens have a good playmaking options at forward even in the pipeline…what they need is a player with great shooting talent who uses his shot…not that Sullivan will play that player lol which is why he needs to go, but I hope they’re looking for players who score goals, like to score goals and have a deceptive, quick release…not sure anyone in the top 10 qualifies
 
Le Magnifique 66 said:
If the Rags give us 11, and he is still there, sure.. I'm not taking him with pick #9
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If Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Hagens, Eklund, O’Brien, Desnoyers, Frondell are all picked by 9 I would consider McQueen 9. And I’m still not sure that McQueens upside isn’t way higher than someone like Desnoyers.
 
McQueen isn't even in consideration for me at #9. At #11 I think it might be a worthwhile upside swing, but I'm not picking McQueen over Mrtka at this point.
 
Not surprising but I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

Can someone clarify on the conditions of the pick? Is it 48hrs BEFORE THE DRAFT or 48hrs AFTER DRAFT POSITION IS KNOWN before they have to decide?
 
SEALBound said:
Not surprising but I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

Can someone clarify on the conditions of the pick? Is it 48hrs BEFORE THE DRAFT or 48hrs AFTER DRAFT POSITION IS KNOWN before they have to decide?
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Before the draft.
 
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