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Prospect Info: Draft 2025: Is it too late to tank? Asking for a friend

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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Is Martone's skating an issue like McQueen's skating is an issue (legit), or is Martone's skating an issue in that he's not an exceptional skater, but everyone freaks out about skating nowadays despite a guy still having the wheels to be able to do everything he needs to do in order to be successful?

It's tough to really navigate the scouting reports that hone in on skating anymore. Everybody's so keyed in on guys having to be MacKinnon or Makar or McDavid that I think it's way overblown most of the time. As long as a dude can think the game at a high speed and knows how to utilize his average to decent but not exceptional skating, it's fine imo.
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I think his skating is closer to O'Brien's than it is to McQueen's, basically just not a strength. I'd probably call it a "weakness" but not nearly on the scale of McQueen.
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Is Martone's skating an issue like McQueen's skating is an issue (legit), or is Martone's skating an issue in that he's not an exceptional skater, but everyone freaks out about skating nowadays despite a guy still having the wheels to be able to do everything he needs to do in order to be successful?

It's tough to really navigate the scouting reports that hone in on skating anymore. Everybody's so keyed in on guys having to be MacKinnon or Makar or McDavid that I think it's way overblown most of the time. As long as a dude can think the game at a high speed and knows how to utilize his average to decent but not exceptional skating, it's fine imo.
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Latter. He could be more explosive from a standstill. And is probably at a standstill too much.

IMO if he ran a little hotter and his feet were constantly moving I don’t think anyone is talking about his skating and you probably get some Internet scouts only watching grainy video calling it a “strength”

Edit: for context Andy below comparing it to McG or Koivunen is wrong. He’s a way better skater than either.
 
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I’m tired of us picking wingers whose skating might not be good enough for the NHL…both McG and Koivunen are in that category…they’re good but it would be nice to have a top six winger whose skating is a strength..
 
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I've kinda been wishing Martone somehow finds his way into this team's lap since last summer tbh so I'll be happy as hell if it somehow happens. Guy's basically a much better McG imo.
 
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Martone basically projects to be Blake Wheeler and Wheeler had a terrific career even while being viewed as a poor skater. I'm really not worried about Martone's skating and they should jump on the opportunity to take him if he falls due to teams overvaluing centers.

Eklund is a better skater, but he's like 5'10" and 170 lbs. He's a big risk of breaking in the NHL due to his super buzz saw style. You take Martone with his 6'3", 208 lbs frame any day of the week over him.

It would be hilarious if the Penguins get both Martone and Eklund with their 1st and the NYR 1st because teams are fetishizing centers. Would set up their top-6 wing group for a long time with pulling off those two.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Martone basically projects to be Blake Wheeler and Wheeler had a terrific career even while being viewed as a poor skater. I'm really not worried about Martone's skating and they should jump on the opportunity to take him if he falls due to teams overvaluing centers.
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? Wheeler was a great skater for his size. He could fly for a big man. The knock was that he was soft.
 
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Andy99 said:
I’m tired of us picking wingers whose skating might not be good enough for the NHL…both McG and Koivunen are in that category…they’re good but it would be nice to have a top six winger whose skating is a strength..
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I'd opt for Eklund myself that kid can fly! Hopefully a center will be available but...
 
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Ekland is solid and can bring physical play as well. He is an elite winger and any year but this I take him and run. But Pens need centers and that is such a big need. Ekland also is a RH shot playing his off wing. If O'Brien Desnoyers are gone, that is not a bad player to choose.
 
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chethejet said:
Martone falling is a fit here. But if Rangers don't want the pick this year, then Martin and Martone is still a really good draft at the top. I still think Dubas will be very active here and make deals to bring in high end talent..
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He's not going to use all those picks for the next three drafts. He's said as much, its too many to accommodate in the system. Difference is he's not going to blow them on 30+ stop gap vets, he's going to use them for young players. RFA offer sheet targets. Quantity for quality. It's going to be a fun summer.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
It would be hilarious if the Penguins get both Martone and Eklund with their 1st and the NYR 1st because teams are fetishizing centers. Would set up their top-6 wing group for a long time with pulling off those two.
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how far up can move, if we package our first with the rags first?
 
I really don't think we're getting the Ranger's first this year. Drury isn't going to give a shit about potentially giving us McKenna next year because if the Rangers suck again next year he would be fired anyways.

They're going to keep that pick and go all in on trying to turn it around next year imo. Be surprised if they give it to us.
 
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Pancakes said:
I really don't think we're getting the Ranger's first this year. Drury isn't going to give a shit about potentially giving us McKenna next year because if the Rangers suck again next year he would be fired anyways.

They're going to keep that pick and go all in on trying to turn it around next year imo. Be surprised if they give it to us.
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I do think there is a part of him that wouldn't want that. Because if that 1st for to 2026, becomes a lottery pick, and it wins the draft lottery for 1ov, Drury will be forever tied to that. Perhaps the biggest "oof!" of the post 05 lockout.
 
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Pancakes said:
I really don't think we're getting the Ranger's first this year. Drury isn't going to give a shit about potentially giving us McKenna next year because if the Rangers suck again next year he would be fired anyways.

They're going to keep that pick and go all in on trying to turn it around next year imo. Be surprised if they give it to us.
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Totally agree with this mindset. Drury doesn't care at all about the McKenna sweepstakes because if the Rangers finish bottom 10 next year, after they won the President's trophy in 2024, he's gone. The only way I see him giving up this pick to us is if he wants to trade the 26 pick in another win now move.
 
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Pancakes said:
I really don't think we're getting the Ranger's first this year. Drury isn't going to give a shit about potentially giving us McKenna next year because if the Rangers suck again next year he would be fired anyways.

They're going to keep that pick and go all in on trying to turn it around next year imo. Be surprised if they give it to us.
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It's not smart business on the Rangers end, but he basically has to. Which is hilarious and he should get fired for that too. Why not just fire him? lol.
 
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I do think there is a part of him that wouldn't want that. Because if that 1st for to 2026, becomes a lottery pick, and it wins the draft lottery for 1ov, Drury will be forever tied to that. Perhaps the biggest "oof!" of the post 05 lockout.
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If the Rangers trade us the pick than they are admitting they are concerned they will be worse next year. Doubt they do that.
 
Fordy said:
getting fired happens all the time. being the guy who threw away mckenna when he didn’t have to is forever
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This is how I look at it assuming his ownership is giving him a choice. If ownership is meddling the play is to fire Drury and let the next guy give the Pens the pick.
 
I'm pretty sure Drury's only still employed because he's a yes man to Dolan and Dolan's a f***ing lunatic so, the dynamic works.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
I'm pretty sure Drury's only still employed because he's a yes man to Dolan and Dolan's a f***ing lunatic so, the dynamic works.
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You'd almost have to be in some respects. It's the New York Rangers. The market, brand, and team valuation mean a little more than it does for, say, the Penguins. I don't think he has the kind of money needed to just be like "meh, whatever, Chris Drury will handle it" and whatever financial effects are blip on the radar. I imagine there is a more pressing need for management and involvement at that level with those stakes.
 
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