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Prospect Info: Draft 2025: Is it too late to tank? Asking for a friend

I think NY will give us this year's pick. If things go south for them and they don't even have their first rounder to look forward to, it would be a miserable season. Think they will want to just get it over with. And god forbid they hand us McKenna.. would be a disaster pr wise.

Walking out of the first round with two of Desnoyers, O Brien, Eklund, Frondell, or McQueen would be huge.
 
Yeah, I think Lavvy is a schmuck but he's just gonna replaced by another schmuck (Torts again? lmao). Their depth is awful. Lafreniere is set to make like twice as much as he should be. Shesterkin's gonna be making near $12M AAV as a goalie. Kreider is Letang levels of cooked. Panarin can only power the offense for so long. Zibanejad's teetering on crashing out. It's basically Fox and nobody else (Miller, I guess?) on the blueline.

Also yeah, piggybacking on that de Haan thing, there's been reports pretty much all year that that lockerroom is f***ed. The players resent Drury like crazy, they hate Lavvy, they hated how Trouba was treated as a scapegoat and forced to waive his NTC to get shipped out, etc. That team's a f***in' mess, held up by Shesterkin's goaltending.
 
chrisp200 said:
I keep hearing people say this and no one is providing any evidence. Talk to Rangers fans, they don't feel the same. I'd say it's a coin flip if they improve or not. It could get worse for sure. Saying "I think it NY will be better" is just a blanket statement, I'm assuming based on last years performance and having a topish tier goalie. Their back end is meh. Their young forwards are underachieving. Their ageing players are, well, ageing. Also, the division isn't getting any easier.

I've said it over and over again, WE WANT NEXT YEARS PICK!
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Correct I’m just taking a guess. They have good enough goaltending I could see it but goaltending is also voodoo.
 
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chrisp200 said:
I keep hearing people say this and no one is providing any evidence. Talk to Rangers fans, they don't feel the same. I'd say it's a coin flip if they improve or not. It could get worse for sure. Saying "I think it NY will be better" is just a blanket statement, I'm assuming based on last years performance and having a topish tier goalie. Their back end is meh. Their young forwards are underachieving. Their ageing players are, well, ageing. Also, the division isn't getting any easier.
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It's called a reset/reboot.

They sent out Smith and brought in a top 6 center who has been a PPG since his arrival. The team was in a bad way before he came in. They have the team all jumbled up...

Panarin, Trocheck, Brodzinski
Cuylle, Miller, Zibanejab
Kreider, Parrsinen, Lafreniere
Berard, Carrick, Rempe

Sourcy, Fox
Miller, Borgen
Vaakanainen, Robertson

Shesterkin, Quick

It's like they want to tank having Trocheck as the top line center. Their biggest issue was the Zibanejab line falling off a cliff that had nothing to do with the Breadman. Now they do have a issue coming up with all the RFA's, mostly Miller and Cuylle, and I would wipe my ass of Rempe.

Panarin, Miller, Lafreniere
Kreider, Zibanejab, Cuylle
Brodzinski, Trocheck, Brisson
Berard, Carrick, Kaliyev

And they are back in business. Miller takes the heat off of Zibanejab and they are right back where they left off the season before.
 
Ugene Magic said:
It's called a reset/reboot.

They sent out Smith and brought in a top 6 center who has been a PPG since his arrival. The team was in a bad way before he came in. They have the team all jumbled up...

Panarin, Trocheck, Brodzinski
Cuylle, Miller, Zibanejab
Kreider, Parrsinen, Lafreniere
Berard, Carrick, Rempe

Sourcy, Fox
Miller, Borgen
Vaakanainen, Robertson

Shesterkin, Quick

It's like they want to tank having Trocheck as the top line center. Their biggest issue was the Zibanejab line falling off a cliff that had nothing to do with the Breadman. Now they do have a issue coming up with all the RFA's, mostly Miller and Cuylle, and I would wipe my ass of Rempe.

Panarin, Miller, Lafreniere
Kreider, Zibanejab, Cuylle
Brodzinski, Trocheck, Brisson
Berard, Carrick, Kaliyev

And they are back in business. Miller takes the heat off of Zibanejab and they are right back where they left off the season before.
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I don't think so. If they keep their core you're not gonna see a discernible uptick from them. Miller has been there for a while now and they're actually worse. A lot of these guys are in their 30's. Unless they make huge trade it'll be the law of diminishing returns. I don't think they'll completely crater, but I'd expect a similar outcome to this season. As there are some teams out there who will improve and be ready to compete for a playoff spot.

Now, if they have key injuries it could really go off the rails.
 
Flyers up 2-1 and Islanders up 1-0 in the 2nd intermission. The Islanders winning would guarantee that they finish above the Penguins in the standings and Philly gets up to 1 point behind the Penguins with the same amount of games left.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Flyers up 2-1 and Islanders up 1-0 in the 2nd intermission. The Islanders winning would guarantee that they finish above the Penguins in the standings and Philly gets up to 1 point behind the Penguins with the same amount of games left.
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Sounds great until Sid throws up 1 G, 3 A on the Bs then a hatty on the caps
 
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I think the chances Philly can jump the Penguins in the standings are almost entirely based on whether they can win this game in OT. They're one of the only teams that don't have the RW tiebreaker on the Penguins, so losing today more or less locks them with a pick above the Penguins.

And that's it, Ottawa wins it as I'm typing this out. The Penguins need to lose out for the Flyers to jump them, which I'm not betting on happening. I think Philly basically just locked up a top-6 pick with that.

I think the picks are basically locked up right now with:

1. San Jose
2. Chicago
3. Nashville
4. Boston
5-6: Seattle and Philly
7-9: Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Anaheim
10-14: NYR, Detroit, NYI and Columbus
 
It matters but not as much if Pens can stay in top 8. Bruins want to lose and Pens just are not served winning. But see how things shake out and Rangers pick. Dubas will be active at the draft regardless.
 
Jacob said:
The Rangers surrendering thus year’s pick to us would be an admission that they expect to be worse next year, which would be tantamount to a letter of resignation for Drury. Not even worth considering really. They’re keeping the pick.

All things being equal a pick in this draft is more valuable than a pick in a future draft. That’s why we could get a 2nd for Reilly Smith.
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Drury should be fired anyway if they give the Pens an unprotected first in the McKenna draft.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I think the chances Philly can jump the Penguins in the standings are almost entirely based on whether they can win this game in OT. They're one of the only teams that don't have the RW tiebreaker on the Penguins, so losing today more or less locks them with a pick above the Penguins.

And that's it, Ottawa wins it as I'm typing this out. The Penguins need to lose out for the Flyers to jump them, which I'm not betting on happening. I think Philly basically just locked up a top-6 pick with that.

I think the picks are basically locked up right now with:

1. San Jose
2. Chicago
3. Nashville
4. Boston
5-6: Seattle and Philly
7-9: Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Anaheim
10-14: NYR, Detroit, NYI and Columbus
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Pens can’t go higher than 9 now after today. Hopefully we can get down to 7.

Could easily get past by buffalo. Don’t know about Philly or the kraken.
 
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Darren McCord said:
Pens can’t go higher than 9 now after today. Hopefully we can get down to 7.

Could easily get past by buffalo. Don’t know about Philly or the kraken.
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PIT has to lose their last game in regulation and PHI get 3 points in their last 2 games and SEA has to win their last game for PIT to move up past both.
 
Now I’m good with the result no matter what. I was only gonna be pissed if they had such a shit season only to play out of the lottery. 6th is still in play.
 
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Yeah the loss today guaranteed the Penguins won't be picking lower than #9 and reinforced #7 or #8 as the most likely spot. If Buffalo can win this game against Tampa, it puts the Penguins as the frontrunner for the #7 spot. Buffalo is playing really well so far and Tampa is playing their backup goalie, so Buffalo can definitely win this.

Not taking into account the draft lottery, I'd say that their most likely draft positions right now are #7, #8, #6, #9 and #5 in terms of likelihood.

Turin said:
Now I’m good with the result no matter what. I was only gonna be pissed if they had such a shit season only to play out of the lottery. 6th is still in play.
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Yeah they're basically guaranteed to be O'Brien or better with their 1st, which is absolutely nothing to complain about. Would obviously prefer them to end up with as high of a pick as possible but O'Brien at #8 is a totally good outcome for this season, and that seems to be the minimum here.
 
In a perfect world, the Pens get some lotto luck and jump up to 2nd to snag Misa or Schaefer without using a lotto win. Realistically, I hope they settle into 5th or 6th and a couple teams above them go off script and go after guys like Frondell, McQueen or Desnoyers a bit early, letting someone like Martone or Hagens fall into their lap.
 
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