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Prospect Info: Draft 2025 Habs you're on the clock

Yeah, take THAT tone. I'd take the better player who's got an absolute dog in him if the medical staff deems it likely that his injury won't affect him much moving forward. Unfortunately as fans we have no way of knowing that for sure though.

I think those guys who are bigger that can round out a top 9 can be traded for or acquired through other means. Of Florida's top 9 for example, they drafted Barkov and Lundell, and that's it. On defense, they drafted Ekblad.

They got other guys through excellent pro scouting, and trading from positions of strength. I know truly small guys don't always have the best trade value, but those mid-sized guys don't typically lose value relative to ability because of size.
No disrespect intended.

You can’t replicate Florida. Aside from a great GM they benefit from a location everyone
to want to go to and no state tax.

we also have a abundance of picks that we can take risks with the bigger players - i just don’t want to risk on injuries.
 
1. 6" is not even remote to being considered big in the NHL - that's basically Nick Suzuki size.

2. I am not advocating only Lankovic....Anyone from Smith, Hesler, Nesbitt, Carbonneau, Aicheson that is left.

3. Bear has a risky injury - no need to take the risk. There are enough good players that can fill an actual need.

He fills a need. Hes a direct complement to Demidov. Hes a top 10 talent in the draft we can get at 16 and still be able to pick someone at 17.
 
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Sure let's continue collecting undersized players. You already have Hutson and Caufield playing top 6 minutes. Demidov is listed as 6"1' but he will never be a physical player.

I don;t see the great need for Bear except it's Snake's player of the year. You talk about Pronman but he's much plugged than Snake who only looks at the players through a prism of skill. Habs have all the skill they need, they need big bodies that can play on your top 9 F top 4 D. Anyone not seeing this is living in bizarro world where the playoffs have the same value as the regular season.

Pronman knows nothing at all about hockey. At least Boisvert is a real scout who actually played hockey.

I am not a Boisvert fan but he is better than Pronman who is the biggest fraud in the fake scouting business.
 
Pronman knows nothing at all about hockey. At least Boisvert is a real scout who actually played hockey.

I am not a Boisvert fan but he is better than Pronman who is the biggest fraud in the fake scouting business.

Pronman and Wheeler are not scouts by trade but they certainly have more credibility than Snake who is still feeding off his Stutzle rating over Lafrenaire.

Last year was a classic, having a hard-on for Connoly that he would of picked top 5. He doesn't care about team building just adding skilled players.
 
You know who also got it wrong? The Habs scouting team who actually took Mesar and Beck before Hutson.
Agreed. I had him 10th pre draft and even I got it wrong. But it's one thing to get adaptability wrong or a player to add new skills, it's another one to have gotten something so fundamentally wrong about the player that you can't possibly have seen him play a single game.
 
Agreed. I had him 10th pre draft and even I got it wrong. But it's one thing to get adaptability wrong or a player to add new skills, it's another one to have gotten something so fundamentally wrong about the player that you can't possibly have seen him play a single game.
This is the common misconception. Both Pronman and Wheeler see prospects live earlier and more often than Snake - who never sees prospects live. Snake is a snake oil salesman.

And lets put Hutson off the table. Everyone got it wrong - for whatever reason. Hughes got it wrong and he know him from 14. Hutson is an actual unicorn.
 
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This is the common misconception. Both Pronman and Wheeler see prospects live earlier and more often than Snake - who never sees prospects live. Snake is a snake oil salesman.

And lets put Hutson off the table. Everyone got it wrong - for whatever reason. Hughes got it wrong and he know him from 14. Hutson is an actual unicorn.
Either Pronman didn't see Hutson or he isn't able to understand what he's watching, because there's no way to come away from a viewing of Hutson and thinking he has average compete.

It would be like if before the 2015 draft he said McDavid had "average" skating.
 
Please - if they know he would be this impactful no way the risk waiting until 62. I have respect for your posting but this one is wrong.

No one knew he would have been that impactful or we would have taken him 1st overall.

Its a very common draft strategy to get MORE of the players you like, by accurately predicting where they will go in the draft.

If getting a steal at 62 is a black mark on a scouting staff, then there's no good scouting staffs. Even Tampa took Namestnikov ahead of Kucherov and Koekkoek ahead of Vasilveskiy.
 
No one knew he would have been that impactful or we would have taken him 1st overall.

Its a very common draft strategy to get MORE of the players you like, by accurately predicting where they will go in the draft.

If getting a steal at 62 is a black mark on a scouting staff, then there's no good scouting staffs. Even Tampa took Namestnikov ahead of Kucherov and Koekkoek ahead of Vasilveskiy.

I get your point and I never said it was a black mark, but they did get it wrong. Again, in hindsight, you would want them to choose Mesar over Hutson because they are so smart in playing the board?

We get so entrenched in our positions that we fail to see the big picture.
 
I get your point and I never said it was a black mark, but they did get it wrong. Again, in hindsight, you would want them to choose Mesar over Hutson because they are so smart in playing the board?

We get so entrenched in our positions that we fail to see the big picture.

In hindsight, I wouldnt have done anything different. They calculated he would be there. He was there. They got two other prospects that they (and I) liked in the process.

That's calculated and risky but its what you have to do to be successful.
 
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I about took a heart attack that night. watching the draft and Habs took Mesar over Hutson. Its just blind luck we got him.
Yeah I get what WTK is saying and there's something to be said for strategy, but in my eyes Hutson was a clear top 10 talent, and past a certain point in the draft (maybe like 20th lol) it's just not worth the risk of someone else scooping him up from under you.
 
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I get your point and I never said it was a black mark, but they did get it wrong. Again, in hindsight, you would want them to choose Mesar over Hutson because they are so smart in playing the board?

We get so entrenched in our positions that we fail to see the big picture.
It's always going to be a blend of luck + skill, but the habs have proven in the past three drafts that they're pretty good at predicting when their player will fall and grabbing him.

Hutson is one of them.

They knew Hage would fall as well, so they traded up and was hoping he'd fall at 21 (he did).

They initially didn't want to trade the first two draft picks for Newhook because they wanted to draft Fowler, but the scouting team said they can get him in the third, so Hughes proceeded with the traded and we got Fowler.

They probably had Hutson ranked higher than Mesar and/or Beck, but thought that both would be gone by that pick, so they took a calculated risk to get all three.
 
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Sure let's continue collecting undersized players. You already have Hutson and Caufield playing top 6 minutes. Demidov is listed as 6"1' but he will never be a physical player.

I don;t see the great need for Bear except it's Snake's player of the year. You talk about Pronman but he's much plugged than Snake who only looks at the players through a prism of skill. Habs have all the skill they need, they need big bodies that can play on your top 9 F top 4 D. Anyone not seeing this is living in bizarro world where the playoffs have the same value as the regular season.

Demidov is extremely strong for his age/size and will eventually be a tank when he matures. Calling players like Bear and Cootes "undersized" is a disservice to their potential impact as players who are closer to average size than being small and play much bigger than their size.

I agree that we need more size but when the opportunity arises to select skilled players who are around 6'0" with the potential to play at close to 200 lbs and are born winners who don't back down from anyone, you take them all day over players that are bigger but don't project as players who are likely to play higher in the lineup. Players like Nick Suzuki, Seth Jarvis, Brayden Point, Robert Thomas, Sebastian Aho, Travis Konecny, Jake Guentzel, etc. are core pieces for their teams and playoff warriors who were not drafted in the top 10 and were all known to be undersized to some degree but were hard to knock off of the puck and were fierce competitors. These players were the Bear's and Cootes of their respective drafts to differing degrees and are not only core pieces but are looked to as leaders when the playoffs roll around.

I have been championing the need to grab multiple big forwards in this draft but if Bear or Cootes (especially Bear) are there at 16 or 17 it would be tough for me to pass on them. I also like Carbonneau, Hensler, Lakovic (he is growing on me), Fiddler, Spence, Zonnon, Nestrasil, Moore, Zharovsky and Nesbitt out of players that I think have a reasonable chance to still be there. There are also some huge prospects that HuGo may take a flyer on and shock everyone with a "reach". I suspect our 2nd and 3rd rounds will be showcasing some big aggressive boys.

Gallagher will be on his way out or gone altogether by the time they make the team so they will essentially already be providing a size upgrade anyways.



Giving Pronman any flowers whatsoever is grotesque when he has zero hockey background or acumen and exposes himself as a full on ass when he grades player's attributes. Seriously, I had a better grasp on scouting at the age of 12 then this wiener currently has. Pronman is more plugged into being a fool than he is to actual hockey insiders.
 

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