Prospect Info: Draft 2025 Habs you're on the clock

[WeThreeKings]

Why would he still be available at 16 then?

I just get Kyle Chipchura/Peyton Krebs vibes when I think of that injury and players in their draft year.

You're right in that the fact we have two back-to-back 1st round picks could make that risk more tolerable...but I don't know man.

He would be available because of the injury, it's part of the whole reason he will drop. Then there's the stuff from the combine that he was introverted and a bit awkward in interviews that will convince teams to pick someone else ahead of him.

He may also go ahead of us, but if he's there, and we are insulated with another pick, you have to take him. There's question marks of anyone at that spot and he's already back skating, was only a partial tear, could be just enough to scare teams off.

 

[sampollock]

what would KH have to pay to move up to get McQueen?????

 

[koivalev]

what would KH have to pay to move up to get McQueen?????

I think we'll have to revisit this Monday when Bob's ranking comes out to get a sense of how GMs view him. From rumours, it doesn't seem like he'll make it past the Anaheim/Pittsburgh picks so we'd probably have to move up to 9 at least.

 

[morhilane]

i swear, this guy's opinion on draft-elligible players is only based on interviews or something lol

Pretty much. He's trying to look smart doing it too.

 

[le_sean]

Why would he still be available at 16 then?

I just get Kyle Chipchura/Peyton Krebs vibes when I think of that injury and players in their draft year.

You're right in that the fact we have two back-to-back 1st round picks could make that risk more tolerable...but I don't know man.

Chipchura was already a lost cause. He was slow before the injury and was drafted before the lockout when the rules changed and made players like him useless. Plus that’s 20 years ago, training and surgeries are barely comparable.

Krebs was never as good as advertised. A perimeter scorer.

Bear is basically a more talented Gallagher. Look at the career Gally has had despite being an atrocious skater. Even if Bear’s skating is affected to that point (which I highly doubt), he’s still going to produce.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Chipchura was already a lost cause. He was slow before the injury and was drafted before the lockout when the rules changed and made players like him useless. Plus that’s 20 years ago, training and surgeries are barely comparable.

Krebs was never as good as advertised. A perimeter scorer.

Bear is basically a more talented Gallagher. Look at the career Gally has had despite being an atrocious skater. Even if Bear’s skating is affected to that point (which I highly doubt), he’s still going to produce.

Yes. Carter Bear will be a fan favorite. His work rate + ability to create turnovers is his calling card. I also like his overall offensive tools, decent shots, decent hands, good vision. He is a no brainer at our pick (if available).

Chipchura dare I say it, was not a good player. He was the famous character player/ultimate captain that management love but his hockey abilities were not good enough

 

[ZUKI]

Very intriguing option, guessing he wouldn't be our pick at 16 or 17 though (maybe 2nd if he's there)

with #49

 

[417]

Chipchura was already a lost cause. He was slow before the injury and was drafted before the lockout when the rules changed and made players like him useless. Plus that’s 20 years ago, training and surgeries are barely comparable.

I'm just making the immediate link with the Habs but I do follow other sports and I do know that Achillies injuries can be devastating for a lot of athletes.

Some just are never the same.

Krebs was never as good as advertised. A perimeter scorer.

Bear is basically a more talented Gallagher. Look at the career Gally has had despite being an atrocious skater. Even if Bear’s skating is affected to that point (which I highly doubt), he’s still going to produce.

Sure, i'm not a big draft guy but I've read a lot of good things on him.

Hopefully this injury doesn't derail him too much but i'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit concerned.

 

[ZUKI]

Chipchura was already a lost cause. He was slow before the injury and was drafted before the lockout when the rules changed and made players like him useless. Plus that’s 20 years ago, training and surgeries are barely comparable.

Krebs was never as good as advertised. A perimeter scorer.

Bear is basically a more talented Gallagher. Look at the career Gally has had despite being an atrocious skater. Even if Bear’s skating is affected to that point (which I highly doubt), he’s still going to produce.

...but because Gallagher played with Danault. Bear won't

 

[koivalev]

I'm just making the immediate link with the Habs but I do follow other sports and I do know that Achillies injuries can be devastating for a lot of athletes.

Some just are never the same.

Sure, i'm not a big draft guy but I've read a lot of good things on him.

Hopefully this injury doesn't derail him too much but i'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit concerned.

I think it's fairly to be concerned and I'd hope we'd do our due diligence with an injury like that. That being said, if it won't affect him much moving forward, getting him there is a no brainer.

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Chipchura was already a lost cause. He was slow before the injury and was drafted before the lockout when the rules changed and made players like him useless. Plus that’s 20 years ago, training and surgeries are barely comparable.

Krebs was never as good as advertised. A perimeter scorer.

Bear is basically a more talented Gallagher. Look at the career Gally has had despite being an atrocious skater. Even if Bear’s skating is affected to that point (which I highly doubt), he’s still going to produce.

I doubt Bear is there at 16. I would give up a 2 and a 3 to move up and draft him.

 

[pth2]

I think it's fairly to be concerned and I'd hope we'd do our due diligence with an injury like that. That being said, if it won't affect him much moving forward, getting him there is a no brainer.

Keith Tkachuk slipped to 19th overall because of an injury.
We picked Turner Stevenson instead.

Picking a player who slipped due to injury can pay off...

 

[sampollock]

Keith Tkachuk slipped to 19th overall because of an injury.
We picked Turner Stevenson instead.

Picking a player who slipped due to injury can pay off...

Turner.... what a suck pick that was
so many of them over the years

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I'm curious to see where Prokhorov lands in Bob's final list. Grant has been hyping him as a riser for the past few weeks. 6"6 Russian forward with a mean streak, will be interesting to see if any team has him ranked in the top-15.

 

[vokiel]

what would KH have to pay to move up to get McQueen?????

I don't think a team would trade the pick that can become Roger McQueen, same as with Cayden Lidstrom last year, but with far less question marks on his injury.

 

[DemidovSZN]

Pretty much. He's trying to look smart doing it too.

He makes interviews with the players for the public to know them better. Not to guess or tell people where they’ll be picked at the draft.

He said he liked the kid’s personality, I don’t get why you’re trying to turn this negatively?

 

[sampollock]

Logan Hensler
cant see this guy if he is there KH passing on

 

[Habnot]

He would be available because of the injury, it's part of the whole reason he will drop. Then there's the stuff from the combine that he was introverted and a bit awkward in interviews that will convince teams to pick someone else ahead of him.

He may also go ahead of us, but if he's there, and we are insulated with another pick, you have to take him. There's question marks of anyone at that spot and he's already back skating, was only a partial tear, could be just enough to scare teams off.

I would have a zero tolerance for certain injuries drafting in the 1st half of the 1st round - back and achilles are probably 1 and 2 on the list.

You also have to factor the drop off (difference) once the projection kicks in. Bear plays more like the pro he will be in junior where as Lankovic's ceiling at 6'4" is great than Bear's.

 

[morhilane]

He makes interviews with the players for the public to know them better. Not to guess or tell people where they’ll be picked at the draft.

He said he liked the kid’s personality, I don’t get why you’re trying to turn this negatively?

The post I responded to was about Martineau's opnions on the kids draft potential and not the content of his interviews.

 

[Habnot]

Given the trend in roster building in the NHL - and with Florida winning and having most of the team signed long term - size has got to be a predominate factor choosing at 16-17. BTW 6" I don't consider big.

I don't think there is a lot of risk selecting amongst Smith, Carbonneau, Lankovic, Hesler, Nesbitt and these players would be a good fit.

 

[sampollock]

Given the trend in roster building in the NHL - and with Florida winning and having most of the team signed long term - size has got to be a predominate factor choosing at 16-17. BTW 6" I don't consider big.

I don't think there is a lot of risk selecting amongst Smith, Carbonneau, Lankovic, Hesler, Nesbitt and these players would be a good fit.

So agree
size is that top thing. talent at 5.2 ft is not going to cut it
Hesler is key

 

[WeThreeKings]

I would have a zero tolerance for certain injuries drafting in the 1st half of the 1st round - back and achilles are probably 1 and 2 on the list.

You also have to factor the drop off (difference) once the projection kicks in. Bear plays more like the pro he will be in junior where as Lankovic's ceiling at 6'4" is great than Bear's.

His ceiling is a hobbit ceiling with his current level of compete. Which is way harder to change at 18.

People said the same thing about Jarvis and it didnt impact him at all.

 

[koivalev]

His ceiling is a hobbit ceiling with his current level of compete. Which is way harder to change at 18.

People said the same thing about Jarvis and it didnt impact him at all.

That's where I'm a bit confused about the rumours of Montreal being interested and where I think maybe they were sold on that changing in their interview.

 

[Habnot]

His ceiling is a hobbit ceiling with his current level of compete. Which is way harder to change at 18.

People said the same thing about Jarvis and it didnt impact him at all.

The level of compete is always overstated with big guys who haven't filled out close to what their body will require. His consistency is an issue, but he is a legit top-six talent due to his size, skating and skill.- Pronman

It more consistency than effort.

As for the Jarvis comparison, nice player and all but in the current NHL doesn't get you over the line. We don't need another smallish player (5'10-6") in our top 9. More importantly it the injury concern for Bear. I don;t think there is enough of a difference to take on the risk.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That's where I'm a bit confused about the rumours of Montreal being interested and where I think maybe they were sold on that changing in their interview.

Or they think he can change it. But its very surprising to me.