WinterLion
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I don't think I would want to trade up for anyone else.... (except the top 2... ie impossible)
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I don't think I would want to trade up for anyone else.... (except the top 2... ie impossible)
Estimated_Prophet
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I would trade up for Martin.....not both of our firsts but one of them plus a prospect or a 2nd.
It would be very tempting to trade up for McQueen if he starts falling closer to 10 OA. His injury history is scary but so is his upside.
Who here would say no to 17 OA + Dach for McQueen if we had an agreeable suitor?
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If Mtl keeps their 16th and 17th pick..this is the strategy that I would do:
We all know that it is not the strongest draft this year so...
Even in a very good draft at those spots 16th and 17th the chances to draft very good players who would play in your top 6 forwards or top 4 d are not that high.
However a top 9 or 12 forwards are real possibilities or 5th or 6th defenseman.
So to increase the chances to hit a slam dunk and wishing at least a top 6 f or a top 4 d I would draft either 2 forwards or 2 d and hoping that at least that 1 of the 2 becomes one of your best player in the lineup
For example on their list of BPA lets say that their:
15th is a d
16th is a forward
17th is a forward
So if those 3 players are still available i would draft those 2 forwards and hoping for a home run cause the difference between the 15th and 16th as bpa is not big at all
We all know that it is not the strongest draft this year so...
Even in a very good draft at those spots 16th and 17th the chances to draft very good players who would play in your top 6 forwards or top 4 d are not that high.
However a top 9 or 12 forwards are real possibilities or 5th or 6th defenseman.
So to increase the chances to hit a slam dunk and wishing at least a top 6 f or a top 4 d I would draft either 2 forwards or 2 d and hoping that at least that 1 of the 2 becomes one of your best player in the lineup
For example on their list of BPA lets say that their:
15th is a d
16th is a forward
17th is a forward
So if those 3 players are still available i would draft those 2 forwards and hoping for a home run cause the difference between the 15th and 16th as bpa is not big at all
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WinterLion
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Those guys are not in the same league as Frondell and Desnoyers for me... McQueen would be if he hadn't had all the injuries. I guess if you really felt confident the injuries were behind him... sure...
Catanddogguitarrr
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The new name that is popular at the moment is Carbonneau. He's projected at 14. And the guy said there was nothing because he's french, he's just have everything to become a series player. Nasty and physical, fast skater, many minutes of penality, not a nice guy like Desnoyer. Good game overall.
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I think Martin has a real chance to be a better player than either Desnoyers or Frondell. That is not to say that I am convinced that he will be better but my point was that he will likely be available closer to our picks and should come with an acquisition cost that is more appealing to HuGo.
This draft is too unpredictable and tightly packed to make any absolute claims about players like Frondell or Desnoyers being better than players like Martin or McQueen. I fully understand your reasoning as to why you and many others have them ranked higher and I don't necessarilly disagree but history has shown me that these rankings are extremely unreliable when you are not discussing "generational" talents.
Martin is the closest thing that I have seen to Sam Bennett in a while and imo is exactly what this team needs. We already have the future top six skill positions mostly filled and while Martin does have 2nd line upside, he can also be an elite 3rd liner who brings so much more than offensive stats on and off of the ice. Much in the same way that players like Ehlers and Fiala have outscored Bennett by a significant margin from the same draft year but Bennett would be a unanimous choice between the three by NHL GM's (Bennett was drafted ahead of them so not a perfect comparison but it outlines why I think he can be better than players listed ahead of him)
We don't want to build another Toronto debacle where there isn't enough fire, size and grit in the core and this is one of the reasons that Martin stands out to me. We need to add size and aggression in to the lineup and more importantly in to key spots in the lineup if we want to compete for the Cup. Martin is not a huge guy but he has decent size and is undoubtedly heavier than he is listed as you can tell by how he runs through bigger players.
I like both Frondell and Desnoyers a lot as well so I have zero issue with your preference just trying to explain why I have Martin closer to them than most people do.
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Sorinth
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He also has some pretty big red flags to his game so personally I would pass.
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If we could move up from 16 and 17 to 10 and 11, using 2nd round picks and later picks, we would have shots at players like Eklund, McQueen, Bear, Martin (McQueen and Martin being my two choices). If we can move up only 1 time, I would go for Martin, then Carbonneau with the 16OA/17OA and use the 2nd round that's left to draft a RHD.
The other thing is we also have 2 X 2nd round picks in 2026 that could be used to move up this draft. Probably would use CBJ one if we saw a potential OS coming up and needs to keep our own.
The other thing is we also have 2 X 2nd round picks in 2026 that could be used to move up this draft. Probably would use CBJ one if we saw a potential OS coming up and needs to keep our own.
Estimated_Prophet
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I wouldn't put much stock in any of these prospect rankings as it is just amateurs with zero scouting experience or guys who were in the NHL but failed miserably. That being said, Carbonneau could go as high as 14 or he could fall past 20 but he should be somewhere in that range and has a decent chance of being available at 16 or 17. I certainly would not characterize him as "nasty" or even "fast"but he does have some sand paper to his game and skating shouldn't be an issue. He plays a very junior game as he attempts way too many high risk plays and makes too many junior decisions away from the puck but that can be corrected if he has the right attitude as well as the aptitude to apply new strategies and transform his game into a more pro style approach. His greatest strengths are his hands and his shot as well as having decent size.
Definitely a very interesting option for HuGo as there is real potential with Carbonneau.
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I have only watch a game of Carbonneau and some highilight reel too. But what I like about him, he was going to crush the net. He isnt afraid to go, where its hurt. And I think this is something you want from a player. And the way he is scoring. It's because he has a hell a shot. Also, he is not that small. 17 years old and 6 ft 1, 190 lbs. thisnis like 6 ft 2, 210 lbs at pro level. So I rather select that kind of player, rather than get a whl guy at 5 ft 10 at 100 points. Dangle every player without real oppostion, which no way he is going to do this in the NHL.
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More rhd would be good if available. Watching Mailloux and Reinbacher I feel they fit right in the ahl. Might make the nhl types but nothing that stands out as dominant down there in any game I’ve watched. Keep throwing darts.
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Reinbacher will be a very good top four RHD in the NHL. Most kids his age are still playing junior as he is only 20 years old in his D+2 season and missed an entire year of development since being drafted. He is extremely good for a D+2 getting his first taste of the AHL and playing in a new country.
I think Hensler is the RHD that I would target at 16,17 if he is available
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Doesn't matter the position
At 16-17, those guys won't be ready before 3-4 years, no reason to draft for need
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Team_Spirit
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I feel going back in time with some of the players listed on here. Over glorified player with 'character', 'size' and 'truculence' above actual talent and hockey abilities.
Don't worry both Martin and Bear will be picked before our picks.
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Both of them are top prospects
There are miles of difference between them and the like of Aitcheson or Spence or Prokhorov
JadedRandom
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Not at all.
Fiddler is an all-tools defenseman with great skating, reach, amazing physical abilities, and overall good defense but shoddy anticipation of the play offensively, poor handling/manipulation skills, and below-average playmaking ability/creativity for a defenseman.
Fiddler is a physical defenseman, and wins a ton of board battles because of his physical attributes and impeccably-smooth skating ability for a defenseman of his size. But Fiddler isn't really a "bruiser" by any stretch of the imagination.
He's more of a "puck-possession" type of defenseman that uses pokechecks and physicality in equal parts to dirsupt the cycle/deny entry, and get the puck quickly to either his forwards or D partner.
If you wanted a true-blue "punisher" on the blueline, I'd actually steer you towards Kurban Limatov from Russia, who can more than handle the "rough stuff" and who would be in contention for "most physical player" in this year's draft from what I've seen of him.
I don't think Limatov is an especially tough fighter though, so I don't know if he'd be any good at that facet of the physical game if he ever made the NHL.
Back to Fiddler, I sincerely think that the current state of his handling skills, anticipation, and passing ability currently limit Fiddler's upsde in a significant way. If he doesn't improve in those facets, Fiddler may only become a third-pairing defenseman in the NHL.
Thing is, Fiddler is also incredibly "raw" as a puck-handler so there might be untapped potential offensively with some amount of development there.
So yeah, overall Fiddler is a very interesting prospect, and currently in the early 20s on my list because of how unbelievably high Fiddler's floor is. But he also obviously has his warts and is not an especially-punishing defenseman physically.
Fiddler IS very annoying to play against though, as his speed and board prowess make him very tough to beat on the cycle, and seeing as he can get to pucks first with his speed and sometimes shut-down offensive opportunities with simple puck-possession plays.
As stated earlier, I like Fiddler A LOT as a prospect.
His ceiling isn't as high as, say, Hensler's though, which is why I've got the latter in the mid-teens at the draft. And the same thing is true but even more pronounced when it comes to Aitcheson, Mrtka, and Smith, without even mentioning Matthew Schaefer.
I also think Cameron Reid has a much higher ceiling than Fiddler, but the lack of "+" tools physically and "non-elite" IQ/skillset makes me ambivalent on whether or not Reid ends up reaching that potential.
I had Reid clearly above Fiddler earlier-on, but I think I'm starting to change my mind.
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Catanddogguitarrr
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His flaws? He's ranked 14th and shows impressive stats. You mean the guys ranked 15 to 20 have no red flags? And his flaws are : ..... ?
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No they pretty much all have flaws in their own way but not all flaws are equal. Carboneau's flaws are he doesn't use his teamates, questionable hockey IQ, and relying on making highlight reel plays that just won't work in the pros. He has a lot of great tools which is why he's highly ranked but he'll pretty much have to completely change his game if he's going to have success. It can happen but I wouldn't take that risk given the other options we are likely to have with our pick(s).
Habs want Jake O’Brien but I don’t think top 10 will trade their pick.
We can trade to move up to 11-12 but that will land us Bear or Martin. I think both Martin and Bear are the kind of players we need. We already have skilled forwards, we need grit and Bear and Martin are both Gallagher like but bigger.
We can trade to move up to 11-12 but that will land us Bear or Martin. I think both Martin and Bear are the kind of players we need. We already have skilled forwards, we need grit and Bear and Martin are both Gallagher like but bigger.
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