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Prospect Info: Draft 2025 Habs you're on the clock

le_sean said:
His 82 game average is 37 points -16. He’s not a Top 6 forward. Way too inconsistent.
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You don't want to use the averages when you talk about a young player. Because the trend and future may be better than the early years.

I liked where Dach was trending before his first knee injury. I didn't like his play after the injury, but that could be because he was slower because his stride was affected. Now he has a second knee injury. Will he ever be able to get his stride back? I don't think he'll be a top 6 if he can't. But if he can, I do believe he was trending to be one. I'd start him out in Armia's role with Evans and Heineman. If he can get his stride back, he has a chance to move up. But I'm not going into the season counting on it.
 
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So reading some scouting report, Carbonneau has straight line speed, scoring touch, grit and plays in traffic? Looks like a fine future replacement for Anderson in the « middle 6 » that we currently don’t have.
 
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So I see 5 guys I’d like to pick at 16-17; K Aitcheson, B Martin, J Carbonneau, J Nesbitt, L Lankovic obviously there will be off the board picks in the first 15 so we’ll see.

If we’re going to make a trade I’d like to see what C Dawson Mercer from New Jersey or Coner Geekie out of Tampa would cost.
 
Could the two first rounders be packaged for one guy who is ready now? I have no specific examples but say a team has a young RD just ready to make the league or one or two years in, but they have a glut of RD. Something along those lines?
 
i dont think anyone from the draft (outside the top 5) are of any real value (next 2 years), but having windows of ELC players make building contenders far easier. if we aren't going to trade the picks for immediate 2C help, then I'd be fine coming out of the first round with Hensler (2RHD) and Ryabkin (boom or bust 2C, who we can trade down to get)
 
themilosh said:
i dont think anyone from the draft (outside the top 5) are of any real value (next 2 years), but having windows of ELC players make building contenders far easier. if we aren't going to trade the picks for immediate 2C help, then I'd be fine coming out of the first round with Hensler (2RHD) and Ryabkin (boom or bust C, who we can trade down to get)
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I've got Ryabkin in the second-round, in the 40s. So if we selected him in the first round I wouldn't be a happy camper, to put it mildly.

Guys that I'd be okay if we traded down to draft would be guys like Nesbitt and Fiddler, those types of guys with great tools and projectable frames but raw-ish skillsets that could really grow into their own in later years and end up becoming much better than people thought at the draft.

But at this point I'd much rather a Braeden Cootes, Brady Martin, Lynden Lakovic, Kashawn Aitcheson over guys with more flaws in their games (Kindel, Reschny, Potter) or lesser upside (Spence) and would not trade a mid-first pick for a later one if it meant giving up on one of the players I mentioned.
 
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JadedRandom said:
I've got Ryabkin in the second-round, in the 40s. So if we selected him in the first round I wouldn't be a happy camper, to put it mildly.

Guys that I'd be okay if we traded down to draft would be guys like Nesbitt and Fiddler, those types of guys with great tools and projectable frames but raw-ish skillsets that could really grow into their own in later years and end up becoming much better than people thought at the draft.

But at this point I'd much rather a Braeden Cootes, Brady Martin, Lynden Lakovic, Kashawn Aitcheson over guys with more flaws in their games (Kindel, Reschny, Potter) or lesser upside (Spence) and would not trade a mid-first pick for a later one if it meant giving up on one of the players I mentioned.
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when I say trade "down" I mean back.. Ryabkin will most likely go in the 20s.. He's not in the mid 40s.. Dude had a tough year, he's 17 played in like 4 different leagues, had his contract terminated, played different ice surfaces.. Still did pretty will in Muskegon and has a great build at 5'11" 201lbs, with room to grow. why not take such a player in the late 1st? nothing to lose, everything to gain.
 
themilosh said:
when I say trade "down" I mean back.. Ryabkin will most likely go in the 20s.. He's not in the mid 40s.. Dude had a tough year, he's 17 played in like 4 different leagues, had his contract terminated, played different ice surfaces.. Still did pretty will in Muskegon and has a great build at 5'11" 201lbs, with room to grow. why not take such a player in the late 1st? nothing to lose, everything to gain.
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I don't like Ryabkin's reads with or without the puck, at all.

And that, compounded by his lack of pace, poor work rate, and his skating being below-average for the NHL currently, makes me leery of ranking/drafting Ryabkin highly.

The skills and physical tools are there though, but there are too many red flags in my opinion for Ryabkin to be a mid-first pick. Even late-first is stretching it in my opinion.

Were I a GM, I would be much more at ease drafting Ryabkin in the middle of the second, where his pretty high bust factor won't be such a deterrent.

Agree to disagree, but using a first-round draft pick on a guy that has talent, physicality, but also concurrent upside (IQ, play-selection) AND floor (skating, work rate, pace) concerns isn't smart drafting to me.
 
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At least one pick will be traded, with a good chance both are. Our mid-round picks are most likely to become depth players in three/four years. IMO, that's not worth delaying our window. Those picks have more value as trade assets, helping us acquire a hopeful prospect or youngish veteran who can start making an impact before Suzuki is 30.
 
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Lshap said:
At least one pick will be traded, with a good chance both are. Our mid-round picks are most likely to become depth players in three/four years. IMO, that's not worth delaying our window. Those picks have more value as trade assets, helping us acquire a hopeful prospect or youngish veteran who can start making an impact before Suzuki is 30.
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I'm just not sure who trades us a good player for mid first picks in a bad draft. They might have to just stand in their and take guys, hope they out perform their draft slot like Hage did to give you better trade assets down the line.

Like if the 13th overall got us Dach, the 16th and 17th picks probably get us something similar and is that even worth it?
 
TheBuriedHab said:
I'm just not sure who trades us a good player for mid first picks in a bad draft. They might have to just stand in their and take guys, hope they out perform their draft slot like Hage did to give you better trade assets down the line.

Like if the 13th overall got us Dach, the 16th and 17th picks probably get us something similar and is that even worth it?
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Absolutely, it's worth it. Dach was a gamble that looked like it was paying off big-time, until injuries derailed him. I'd take that risk again.

Picking 16/17OA is as much a risk as trading for an undervalued prospect/young player. Either way is a gamble. Given the choice, I'd rather gamble on a trade that could pay off this season or next, versus gambling on mid-round draft picks who might pay off three or four years from now.
 
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Habs said:
I'm off the Hage hype train, I'd move him with one of our picks this year for immediate help.
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