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Andrei79 said:
What Dach/Nazar situation ? They traded Romanov for Dach. They never had any intention of drafting at 13 or drafting Nazar.
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Hahaha, River Meadow exposed once again. Geeez, that can't be helped.

Nobody wanted Nazar except a few lunatics with crystal balls. And there was no clues suggesting that the Habs wanted to draft Nazar with that 13th pick as well.

So yes, it was basically Romanov for Dach which was a good trade at that time as the habs needed a 2c, still does but the gamble was worth it imo even if Dach isn't the answer as we all saw this year.
 
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26Mats said:
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Sorry I have time today

ViD

Thread 'Russian media: Philadelphia and Montreal will deliberately not draft Russians'

According to a Sport Express journalist and based on his sources that didn’t go on record, the Flyers and the Canadiens are deliberately not going to draft any Russian players this upcoming draft.

I guess we will see it that’s true or not in a month.

Source: «Филадельфия» и «Монреаль» не собираются выбирать россиян на драфте НХЛ-2022 (Иван Богун)
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Hughes: "It's simple enough to say that the war in Russia creates a level of complexity or probably more uncertainty," Hughes told The Associated Press. "Any team picking has to balance the uncertainty of it with the potential of the player."

And what ended up happening? No Russians for Philly on Montreal in the 2022 draft, we traded the only Russian player off of our roster, and until Demidov arrived we were the only NHL team without a Russian in the NHL/AHL for multiple years

Also bonus source: our resident expert @WeThreeKings

WeThreeKings

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amnesiac said:
if experts are calling him close to generational talent, and we can forget Bedard/Fanitili/Carlsson at this point.... then yes Id be all in for him. Hes 5'10 and and would bulk up to 175, very similar to Panarin.

They have Dach and Slafkovsky as big men too who could play with him.


many rankings have him falling to 5th


says who? 95% of the best Russians come to play here.


but they will eventually sign their first deal after ELC. Trust me the Habs arent winning before that.
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2022 (when things weren't even as bad as they were now)
Report out of Russia - Habs and Philly won't...
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austin316 said:
I wouldn’t waste much time on the draft this year. Highly unlikely we use either first round pick this year.
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They'll use at least one. Hard to imagine they'd be able to pull off two trades of such magnitude that the firsts are part of both. I think they'd also like to have another potential ELC contributor in a few years.
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
Sorry I have time today

ViD

Thread 'Russian media: Philadelphia and Montreal will deliberately not draft Russians'

According to a Sport Express journalist and based on his sources that didn’t go on record, the Flyers and the Canadiens are deliberately not going to draft any Russian players this upcoming draft.

I guess we will see it that’s true or not in a month.

Source: «Филадельфия» и «Монреаль» не собираются выбирать россиян на драфте НХЛ-2022 (Иван Богун)
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Hughes: "It's simple enough to say that the war in Russia creates a level of complexity or probably more uncertainty," Hughes told The Associated Press. "Any team picking has to balance the uncertainty of it with the potential of the player."

And what ended up happening? No Russians for Philly on Montreal in the 2022 draft, we traded the only Russian player off of our roster, and until Demidov arrived we were the only NHL team without a Russian in the NHL/AHL for multiple years

Also bonus source: our resident expert @WeThreeKings

WeThreeKings

Post in thread '2023 NHL Entry Draft'

amnesiac said:
if experts are calling him close to generational talent, and we can forget Bedard/Fanitili/Carlsson at this point.... then yes Id be all in for him. Hes 5'10 and and would bulk up to 175, very similar to Panarin.

They have Dach and Slafkovsky as big men too who could play with him.


many rankings have him falling to 5th


says who? 95% of the best Russians come to play here.


but they will eventually sign their first deal after ELC. Trust me the Habs arent winning before that.
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2022 (when things weren't even as bad as they were now)
Report out of Russia - Habs and Philly won't...
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Not drafting Russians is different than purging your organization of Ryssians already in North America and on the team.
 
Erika said:
Hahaha, River Meadow exposed once again. Geeez, that can't be helped.

Nobody wanted Nazar except a few lunatics with crystal balls. And there was no clues suggesting that the Habs wanted to draft Nazar with that 13th pick as well.

So yes, it was basically Romanov for Dach which was a good trade at that time as the habs needed a 2c, still does but the gamble was worth it imo even if Dach isn't the answer as we all saw this year.
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Erika, if you had good English comprehension skills, you would realize that it's not about Nazar at all, so I won't hold that against you. English is definitely not your first language therefore you get a pass on this.

However the point (which you COMPLETELY missed, which is 100% expected from you), was the fact that we traded away futures, whether it's Nazar or another young talent, for a player who was already in the NHL, underperforming, and who also had serious injuries in his young career, e.g., there was a reason he was traded, just like there was a reason Newhook was traded.

Now you want us to turn around and do the very same thing that burned us at twice now, with these draft picks, when Hughes record for doing this is a big fat goose egg?


Do you, fam. But, very respectfully, keep my damn name OUT Y0 MOUF.


EDIT: Adding part of the post where I replied to that person you quoted, as you likely missed that, too.

"Dach had a lot of potential at the time, yes, but he also had been extremely underwhelming and there was a reason he was traded so young, and that's not even mentioning his absolutely horrifying freak wrist injury, which should be taken into account as well.

Dach could still turn it around, and I realize we did not trade Dach for Nazar technically, but we actively chose to attempt to speed run the rebuild in a sense with this move, on a player with a questionable past taking into account health and performance.

Those are the facts, and look where we are today."
 
slaffable said:
Any reason why? He's one of the most talented prospects we've had in our system over the last 15 years.
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I haven't seen him be a big game player yet. When they got kicked out of the playoffs I wasn't that impressed with how he played. To be fair, he has another year and did some things very well, he hasn't done anything to make him untouchable in a trade is all I mean, not yet anyways. Kid has a great story so I'm actually rooting for him
 
Penguins may get the NYR 1st at 12ov. Would you guys be interested in 12+62 (Washington's 2nd) for 16+41 (Penguins 2nd back)?
 
Habsrule said:
I am going to be in the minority but I actually find this draft to be really intriguing. Many are saying that this years draft is not good. I bet at #16 and #17 the Habs could pull two really good prospects.

With the lack of high end talent many teams will be drafting based upon team needs as opposed to BPA. That or they will swing for the fences.

Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Frondell, Hagens, Desnoyer, O’Brien will all be gone by the #16 pick guaranteed. That’s seven right there.

Eklund, Smith, Mrtka, Eklund, Martin I have as the second tier and almost certain that none of those players will be available. That’s 12 players so far.

Now it becomes open;

Small skilled players; Kindel, Reschny, Potter, Schmidt

Big players; Lakovic, Spence, McQueen, Nesbitt

Middle six players who are a pain to play against; Bear, Cootes

Boom or bust scoring forward; Carbonneau

All round defencemen; Aitcheson, Hensler

Offensive defencemen; Reid, Boumedienne

There are many different ways that teams can draft there and some may surprise.

I’ll throw Ravensbergen, Zonnon, Ryabkin and Fiddler into a group of players who could be picked in the Montreal range but I don’t think will.

That is 15 players in the Habs pick range that I listed. There will be some good options available.
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Prokhorov, Zharovsky, Gastrin
 
Kobe Armstrong said:
It wasn’t a 3 way trade though lmao

There was no stipulation that we had to trade the 13th overall pick. Could have just as easily stopped at Romanov + 3rd for 13th. Are the Islanders going to refuse that trade unless we’re flipping the pick for Dach? Of course not

The 13th overall pick was very much ours and in our control, just briefly

It seems like you either forgot what happened or don’t understand how trades work
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Hughes literally mentioned that Chicago wanted a pick around that high for Dach and Romanov was who would be able to garner that pick. The GM himself said the very reason for acquiring the pick was to acquire Dach, hence why both trades were announced back to back.
 
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