Prospect Info: Draft 2025 - Everyone is trading up, but no one seems to be trading down edition

[Jared Grayden]

7. Martin- i also fell victim to late rise. If he is a 50 point 2C who kills people he probably goes top 3 in a redraft. He might be. Easy player to like. Just not sure he can play that high in a NHL lineup as a C and might need correct linemates to do so. the skating needs to get way better imo.

If that caliber player is #3 in a redraft, this is going to be by far the worst draft class in the cap era. As a comparison, 2012 was horrific at the top of the draft. But #5-20 produced a lot of quality players.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I just want them to draft twice in the top ~15-20.

 

[PensFutures]

I don't think this draft is the draft you want to trade up in the 2nd/3rd round. There isn't much of a difference there so you're better off with more picks.

It's worth trading up from #11 to #8 for the difference between someone like Eklund and Hagens, but it's not worth trading up from a mid 3rd to a mid 2nd just because there isn't that big of a difference this year between those guys.

Thats fair. I would just rather have more picks towards the top of a weaker draft then use the last 5 picks from rounds 4-7 on absolute feast or famine gambles.

I also have this delusion of doing the same next year...turning the two 3rds and three 2nds into two more 1sts and then having 6 first rd picks after Karlsson, Rust and Rakell are traded. Franchise mode on video games has really ruined an entire generation...

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

If that caliber player is #3 in a redraft, this is going to be by far the worst draft class in the cap era. As a comparison, 2012 was horrific at the top of the draft. But #5-20 produced a lot of quality players.

superstars are hard to find but so are these hard to play against 2Cs. And they are prevalent in the last cup champs- cirelli, Bennett, Kadri, Karlsson, Schenn, etc

Maybe it’s top 6, not top 3 but who cares. point is he could be one of the most valuable players in the draft and league if he hits down the middle.

 

[Epic Neal Time]

I like Eklund and Carbonneau, I just think you can't leave this draft at these slots without a center or D.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I like Eklund and Carbonneau, I just think you can't leave this draft at these slots without a center or D.

I'd use some of the later picks for USHL or NCAA-bound defenders.

 

[The Old Master]

I like Eklund and Carbonneau, I just think you can't leave this draft at these slots without a center or D.

anything is possible imo but it puts a lot of pressure on next year's draft. something I'm not comfortable doing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I like Eklund and Carbonneau, I just think you can't leave this draft at these slots without a center or D.

I'd take Eklund or Carbonneau at #11 and then trade down with #12 to get in a position to draft Reschny or Kindel.

 

[maxpenguins6630]

Most of those guys on those lists aren't in the top 12 where we're currently situated. I'm high on O'Brien and would love to get him! But he's not falling to 11th. Every other player on those lists aren't worth drafting at that point. Carbonneau maybe. But that's iffy. The others are just NO!

I did specify in the first rounds…

O’brien won’t make it. I wanted Martin but his last tournament was too good… won’t make it either imo

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I'd use some of the later picks for USHL or NCAA-bound defenders.

not a D but Cooper Simpson with one of our 3rds seems interesting on its face

 

[Lust for Life]

I want Gästrin for purely selfish reasons, but we have no pick where he's expected to go unfortunately.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Yeah, IMO this is why guys like Marino and Brunicke seem so much better than expected. The first hurdle to being an NHL D is understanding your best option quickly and not making big mistakes. You can be a solid middle pairing NHL D if you can skate and make outlet passes and do that hyper consistently. Someone that can't process their best option instantly is going to have a hell of a time sticking no matter what their tools are. That's how you get guys that can play keep away for 30s but always seem to end up getting turned around and giving up the puck in bad spots.

You're right. Smith's comp to me SOUNDS like (this is all second-hand information for me) Mike Matheson. Now, Matheson's elite skating has kept him around for a long, long time. And EVENTUALLY he has found his best level with Montreal. But the speed bumps were rather large in his case. In Pittsburgh, he was up and down imo. In Florida, there were moments where he was a hot mess. In Montreal, he has settled into a very important and solid player.

For me, if you are drafting Jackson Smith you are drafting a long-range project. Not exactly ideally suited for those who prefer ELCs and lots of them on a young, retooling roster.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Meh. I think you can do fine with where we are.

The only player I'm moving up for is Hagens.

Yeah, I am pretty much there.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

You save whoever is funnier to acquire with the Rangers' pick for #12. For instance, if Hagens is still available at #11, you pick someone else at #11 and Hagens at #12.

Absolutely. You take the higher-profile player second regardless of the situation. Once you make the first pick, you could conceivably receive an offer you cannot refuse before you announce the second pick.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I would like to take this opportunity in thanking the New York Rangers for giving us a heads up a day and a half before they were mandated to do so in giving us the 12th OA pick.

MAYBE that's to carry favor with Kyle for some reason down the road. Hmmmmmm

I think so. These two GMs will be making deals, it seems inevitable. I mean, they did the Ruhwedel trade a few years back already. And with so much overlap now between the two organizations, it just seems like there will be deals done here.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Please let this come true, it would be hilarious for Philly to trade up to #3 to take Brady Martin.

 

[Ryder71]

I think so. These two GMs will be making deals, it seems inevitable. I mean, they did the Ruhwedel trade a few years back already. And with so much overlap now between the two organizations, it just seems like there will be deals done here.

They're overly chummy for being bitter Metro rivals on the ice. Just kinda interesting is all.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Do not let that come true

Martin as a Flyer would SUCK

 

[eXile3]

Columbus has 20 and 14. Would something like this work?

Pens gets- 14, 20

Columbus gets - 12, 59

That would give us three first. A lot for them to pay to move a few slots. Habs have 17, 18?

I just want all the first round picks.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Do not let that come true

Martin as a Flyer would SUCK

McKenna and Dupont will take the puck from him like a child. Then he'll go chasing them, but he won't be fast enough to catch up.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

McKenna and Dupont will take the puck from him like a child. Then he'll go chasing them, but he won't be fast enough to catch up.

Ur hate of Martin is nerdy and boring

 

[Gurglesons]

oh no. the flyers will have another konecny. what will we ever do.

 

[Jared Grayden]

Ur hate of Martin is nerdy and boring

I don't hate him. I think teams are applying a lot recency bias on him for the U18s and the Florida Panthers. I like him a lot more than McQueen or Aitcheson and would be fine with Dubas taking him #11. I don't want them trading up for him though. Also, half these prospects will go bust, if not majority, which he very well could be.

 

[Ryder71]

Columbus has 20 and 14. Would something like this work?

Pens gets- 14, 20

Columbus gets - 12, 59

That would give us three first. A lot for them to pay to move a few slots. Habs have 17, 18?

I just want all the first round picks.

This is a weaker draft than normal. Trading down considering we're bereft of high end talent in the pipeline really doesn't make sense for what we need. We desperately need QUALITY over quantity.

 

[eXile3]

This is a weaker draft than normal. Trading down considering we're bereft of high end talent in the pipeline really doesn't make sense for what we need. We desperately need QUALITY over quantity.

Right but depending who falls the quality of 12 and 20 is probably about the same.