DesertedPenguin
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Mooney is intriguing, but if he wasn't from Pittsburgh no one here would give two shits.
Madden gets a hard on for any prospect from Pittsburgh.
Prospect Info: Draft 2025 - Everyone is trading up, but no one seems to be trading down edition
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Madden gets a hard on for any prospect from Pittsburgh.
Harvey Birdman
…Need some law books, with pictures this time…
No I get it all you have to do is look back at the Saad draft year and see how all of Western PA hockey fans were acting.
Just wondering if this kid is worth taking a gamble on in the 3rd round considering we have three of them.
HandshakeLine
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Sure, why not? There's worse players to gamble on. But it's gonna depend on who's still on the board, if we package those 3rds for someone/something else, etc.
DesertedPenguin
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Every mid to late round pick is essentially a gamble. You're betting on your scouts identifying something others haven't and on your development team to pull that something out of the player and turn them into an NHL contributor.
If he's there, why not? But he's not someone you move up to get or anything.
SomeDude
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Many of us were hoping the Pens would draft Swanson last year and he’s basically the same player and not from Pittsburgh.
Anytime you can grab legitimate high end talent later in the draft people take notice whether the guy grew up in your backyard like Mooney or across the world like Mac.
He's got a thread in the prospects forum - has had one for a while - and based on the highlights I've seen there then yeah, very talented. Tons of skill, creative, great skater. His points totals back it up, he's been as productive as anyone in this tranche of the US NDTP. And tbh, having had a quick search, it looks like plenty of media scouting sites are projecting him as a third rounder if not higher.
Thing is he is tiny. Also apparently a bit injury prone.
I think he'd be a legit use of a 3rd rounder but I'm not exactly hollering for it.
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Randy Butternubs
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HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Especially this draft where we have three 3rds I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him.
It's not funny man. Losing more and more sleep every nightOne day closer to the Aitcheson dream
Duffy13
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was just reading up on draft history, was wondering about the total player drafted year to year, and was wondering if it increased when teams were added.... not necessarily the case. HOWEVER from 200- 2004 the league drafted 290 players per year with 9 rounds of drafting, before settling into a typical 7 rounds and approx 220-230 players drafted. Anyone have a story on why they went so nuts with the draft those years before scaling way way back?
Empoleon8771
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Ruopp is a name I haven’t heard in a long time, one I wish I wouldn’t have remembered.
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Not sure if it was posted here, but Jesse posted his endorsement list for the Penguins picks with Eklund, Aitcheson, Carbonneau and Bear. I don’t want to double dip on wingers, but the idea of going Eklund at #11 and Carbonneau at #12 is a bit interesting. Jesse’s comments on Carbonneau sound awesome. He’s also a good size, he’s 6’1” and 205 lbs when weighed at the combine.
2025 First Round Endorsement List
The Penguins have a chance to walk away with a significant change to their prospect pool regardless of what happens with the Rangers' pick.
faceofffactor.substack.com
Not sure if it was posted here, but Jesse posted his endorsement list for the Penguins picks with Eklund, Aitcheson, Carbonneau and Bear. I don’t want to double dip on wingers, but the idea of going Eklund at #11 and Carbonneau at #12 is a bit interesting. Jesse’s comments on Carbonneau sound awesome. He’s also a good size, he’s 6’1” and 205 lbs when weighed at the combine.
The Old Master
come and take it.
Randy Butternubs
Eat the Sock
According to EP Ruopp had a grand total of 23 goals in his career which spanned from 2007 to 2023. Yes, this includes playoffs.
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Empoleon8771
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I hope they trade #11 and #12 to move up and draft Aitcheson.
You think Aitcheson will be a point producer in the NHL?
If he even makes it it will be long pants 3rd pairing hockey
PensFutures
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Trade our two extra 3rds for a 2nd, and use the two 2nds to acquire another 1st round pick. Then use our 3rd to draft Mooney.
Empoleon8771
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I don't think this draft is the draft you want to trade up in the 2nd/3rd round. There isn't much of a difference there so you're better off with more picks.
It's worth trading up from #11 to #8 for the difference between someone like Eklund and Hagens, but it's not worth trading up from a mid 3rd to a mid 2nd just because there isn't that big of a difference this year between those guys.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that feels that way. 11/12 overall pick on what seems to be projecting as a 3rd pair guy.
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My rank
Tier 1
1. Schaefer (think he will be a top 3 player from class, probably best)
Tier 2 - you can argue them in any order
2a. Hagens - along with Eklund, safest non Schaefer player in draft imo. Should be 50 point top 6er at worst. I think ultimate upside could be like a centerman version of Marner. He is the “a” to Misa’s “b” because he is a truer center, and I prefer playmakers but you can argue either one imo. I think the risk here is that he is just a 50-60 point guy and since scoring needs to be his calling card that’s not super valuable.
2b. Misa- leaves me wanting more every time but incredibly efficient. You see 130 point DY and expect a slashing dynamo but he is more off puck timing player than you’d expect. Still really good. I kinda see his safe projection as a goal scoring wing (esp bc he’s good forechecker). He is worthy of 2 but I struggle with what his ultimate upside is. I can see how he’s a a high end NHLer… can also see how he’s more of a 30 g / 60 point guy
4. O’Brien - really good passer. Really solid 2 way player. I’d love to put him 2OA if he didn’t scare me a good bit physically/skating. I think there’s a chance this looks pretty bad when he’s having a Ryan Strome-esque career. But I also think he could be a point producing 1C with fantastic defense lmao. I have no idea. So he’s 4th
5. Eklund - safe. I struggle with ultimate upside. Probably lowest upside guy in this tier? Maybe worst chance to be best of this tier is a better way to put it. Best chance to not be worst. Could he be a Bratt/Marchand as a high motor hard worker who also scores? I think at absolute worst he’s a 30 point 3rd liner that contenders want.
6. Frondell - idk what to make of him tbh. But he’s solidly built and has a deadly shot. Can’t tell if he’s a C or W. I like the upside but can see the skating limiting him the upside at same time.
7. Martone - great offensive upside. Little bust risk. Not really a power forward. I don’t like how much his feet stop with already mediocre separation ability. But he could be a point per game guy.
Tier 3 - valuable support guys
7. Martin- i also fell victim to late rise. If he is a 50 point 2C who kills people he probably goes top 3 in a redraft. He might be. Easy player to like. Just not sure he can play that high in a NHL lineup as a C and might need correct linemates to do so. the skating needs to get way better imo.
8. Mrtka - upside play. Maybe not in traditional point scoring sense. But if you think he can develop his skating/body even more he could be 6’6 stopper who plays 25 min and chips in 30 points. That’s worth a lot. But I think he’s a longer term project.
9. Potter - I am not a huge fan of what he is today. But he’s an absurd skater. He plays hard. He’s a nightmare in the neutral zone. Could he think the game better? Yes. But he’s gonna play with the skating and has the hard skill to go up a lineup if things slow down for him. People talk about 5-7 years out with Mrtka and McQueen but not him. I don’t see a superstar but I see a deadly player in transition if things go right. Or he’s like a Duclair.
10. Lakovic - I don’t like him as is. I just can’t deny he’s got ridiculous upside. The entry ability is why he’s in my top 10. I am ranking him high bc of that upside and the fact people seem to rate his character highly.
11. Desnoyers - you really need the tools to all go up a notch. If they do you could have a dawg or a 2C. If they don’t.. I’m not sure this guy is much different than Reilly Smith. That’s just a lot of things to go right for me.
Tier 4 - starting to not care
12. Smith - he plays like an idiot. I think the tools are close to elite. Is he someone who all of a sudden just figures it out? Is he Jack Johnson? Idk. At some point you gotta take him.
13. Bear - good player just wonder about upside. Injury doesn’t help. A guy the scouting reports all get right imo so not much more to say.
14. Cootes - he’s really tenacious and I think the hands are pretty legit. I like him to be a valuable middle 6/3rd liner in the NHL for a long time even if he doesn’t score as much as others.
15. Kindel - if his body improves he’s a really good top 6 F. If not he’s a not valuable offense only low line winger who bounces around teams. Or busts completely.
Watched a couple more guys but didn’t think they deserved to be here (McQueen, Aitcheson)
Buch of others I did not see enough of to have a strong opinion or rank them.
Edit: with Martone “little bust risk” means decent amount. Not small. Wording was poor. Also my #s are off. Martin should be 8
Tier 1
1. Schaefer (think he will be a top 3 player from class, probably best)
Tier 2 - you can argue them in any order
2a. Hagens - along with Eklund, safest non Schaefer player in draft imo. Should be 50 point top 6er at worst. I think ultimate upside could be like a centerman version of Marner. He is the “a” to Misa’s “b” because he is a truer center, and I prefer playmakers but you can argue either one imo. I think the risk here is that he is just a 50-60 point guy and since scoring needs to be his calling card that’s not super valuable.
2b. Misa- leaves me wanting more every time but incredibly efficient. You see 130 point DY and expect a slashing dynamo but he is more off puck timing player than you’d expect. Still really good. I kinda see his safe projection as a goal scoring wing (esp bc he’s good forechecker). He is worthy of 2 but I struggle with what his ultimate upside is. I can see how he’s a a high end NHLer… can also see how he’s more of a 30 g / 60 point guy
4. O’Brien - really good passer. Really solid 2 way player. I’d love to put him 2OA if he didn’t scare me a good bit physically/skating. I think there’s a chance this looks pretty bad when he’s having a Ryan Strome-esque career. But I also think he could be a point producing 1C with fantastic defense lmao. I have no idea. So he’s 4th
5. Eklund - safe. I struggle with ultimate upside. Probably lowest upside guy in this tier? Maybe worst chance to be best of this tier is a better way to put it. Best chance to not be worst. Could he be a Bratt/Marchand as a high motor hard worker who also scores? I think at absolute worst he’s a 30 point 3rd liner that contenders want.
6. Frondell - idk what to make of him tbh. But he’s solidly built and has a deadly shot. Can’t tell if he’s a C or W. I like the upside but can see the skating limiting him the upside at same time.
7. Martone - great offensive upside. Little bust risk. Not really a power forward. I don’t like how much his feet stop with already mediocre separation ability. But he could be a point per game guy.
Tier 3 - valuable support guys
7. Martin- i also fell victim to late rise. If he is a 50 point 2C who kills people he probably goes top 3 in a redraft. He might be. Easy player to like. Just not sure he can play that high in a NHL lineup as a C and might need correct linemates to do so. the skating needs to get way better imo.
8. Mrtka - upside play. Maybe not in traditional point scoring sense. But if you think he can develop his skating/body even more he could be 6’6 stopper who plays 25 min and chips in 30 points. That’s worth a lot. But I think he’s a longer term project.
9. Potter - I am not a huge fan of what he is today. But he’s an absurd skater. He plays hard. He’s a nightmare in the neutral zone. Could he think the game better? Yes. But he’s gonna play with the skating and has the hard skill to go up a lineup if things slow down for him. People talk about 5-7 years out with Mrtka and McQueen but not him. I don’t see a superstar but I see a deadly player in transition if things go right. Or he’s like a Duclair.
10. Lakovic - I don’t like him as is. I just can’t deny he’s got ridiculous upside. The entry ability is why he’s in my top 10. I am ranking him high bc of that upside and the fact people seem to rate his character highly.
11. Desnoyers - you really need the tools to all go up a notch. If they do you could have a dawg or a 2C. If they don’t.. I’m not sure this guy is much different than Reilly Smith. That’s just a lot of things to go right for me.
Tier 4 - starting to not care
12. Smith - he plays like an idiot. I think the tools are close to elite. Is he someone who all of a sudden just figures it out? Is he Jack Johnson? Idk. At some point you gotta take him.
13. Bear - good player just wonder about upside. Injury doesn’t help. A guy the scouting reports all get right imo so not much more to say.
14. Cootes - he’s really tenacious and I think the hands are pretty legit. I like him to be a valuable middle 6/3rd liner in the NHL for a long time even if he doesn’t score as much as others.
15. Kindel - if his body improves he’s a really good top 6 F. If not he’s a not valuable offense only low line winger who bounces around teams. Or busts completely.
Watched a couple more guys but didn’t think they deserved to be here (McQueen, Aitcheson)
Buch of others I did not see enough of to have a strong opinion or rank them.
Edit: with Martone “little bust risk” means decent amount. Not small. Wording was poor. Also my #s are off. Martin should be 8
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