Prospect Info: Draft 2025 - Everyone is trading up, but no one seems to be trading down edition

[Bishop7979]

Let's get crazy:

Trade 11th+12th for 8th+Tampa's 2026 1st
Trade 8th+Rust to Chicago for 3rd+NYI's 2026 2nd

Draft Aitcheson 3rd overall.

Misa if available, Martone, Hagens, Frondell, or Desnoyers (whoever the team values) if not.

I honestly don't see Misa making it past the sharks. You don't pass up Misa's offense for Frondell/desnoyer. I still think there's a chance that the Islanders shock everyone and take Misa 1st overall.

Of the other players listed, not all of them will be guaranteed gone even by pick 8, I could see mrtka martin, or McQueen pushing into the 5-8 pick mark and push at least one of Hagens due to his size and/or Martone due to skating a little higher than expected.

So if you value all those other players somewhat equally you don't need to move to 3rd OA to score one of them. You could probably offer the 11th or 12th with other assets for 7 or 8 overall depending on how the top 6 picks shake out and still get one of them.

I also don't think that there is such a jump in potential from having say two of eklund/McQueen/O'Brien/bear tier forwards to just one of the players you listed (Misa not included) to make giving up both 11 and 12 worth it.

The late 1st in 2026 would be ok, but you could probably easily get that plus a little extra for rust alone.

If you can take the 12th OA plus to jump up a few spaces to grab a guy that falls a little do it, otherwise take the best two forwards avail at 11/12 and move on.

So giving up 11 and 12 and rust
For
3OA (that won't be Misa)
A late 2026 1st
2026 second

Vs say

Giving up 11 and an additional pick/picks outside the first round
For
8th to draft one of Hagen,Martin, McQueen, o'brien plus still draft eklund/bear at 12 and get additional assets in a separate rust trade.

 

[Ryder71]

it should not take both picks if we are adding rust. i'm not even sure it should include any picks higher than a 2nd rounder if we are trading rust

Rust still has his NTC in force, doesn't change until after june.

 

[The Old Master]

Rust still has his NTC in force, doesn't change until after june.

that means nothing, teams do future considerations all the time or player to be named later.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I would trade the 12th for Nashville's 23rd and 26th.
I don't trust scouts after #10. They're wrong too often.
Would feel better with more lotto tickets.

 

[Bishop7979]

Dubas goes a crap ton of coke and goes nuts trading rakell, EK (at 6 mil), the 11OA and the 12OA to buff for petreka, byram, and the 9OA, pens draft Hagens.

Rust and pomo rights goes to Detroit for the 13th tarasenkos 1yr contract and Berrgren, pens draft eklund.

At the end of the weekend pens add
Bryam
Petreka
Berrgren
Tarasenko
Hagens
Eklund.

Is there enough coke in LA for this?

 

[Ryder71]

that means nothing, teams do future considerations all the time or player to be named later.

They absolutely COULD do that. I don't know if they wanna do it like that however.

Personally I'd love to see it if the return is good!

 

[Ryder71]

I would trade the 12th for Nashville's 23rd and 26th.
I don't trust scouts after #10. They're wrong too often.
Would feel better with more lotto tickets.

You're goin with the quantity over quality, I'd prefer the opposite. Beyond the 1st round we have a lot of additional picks in rds two and three over the next three drafts.

 

[maxpenguins6630]

If it goes as this

NYI Schaefer
SJS Misa
CHI Martone
UTH Desnoyers
NAS Frondell
PHI Martin
BOS Hagens
SEA O’brien
BUF Mcqueen
ANH Smith

11 I go Logan Hensler RD I think he can be a RD Jaccob Slavin. He will eat a ton of minutes !

12 Carter Bear he plays like Timo Meier.

I’d be really happy to get those 2.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think the correct approach is Emp's plan of going 11+12 for 8+Tampa's 1st (assuming Martone or Hagens are still there), then go about Rust, Rakell, and EK throughout the rest of the off-season, trying to get three more 1sts, but at bare minimum two more 1sts.

 

[Ulf5]

Hagens gonna fall to.....13th.

 

[Guins71]

Spitballin, but value wise it works with PP.

NAS gets 11th, 12th and 73rd, value 64.38

PIT gets 5TH, 26TH and 149th value 64.38

Wish we could do this.

Hmm so give up the 12th pick because we were too stupid to lose games. Don’t like that

 

[Ryder71]

Hmm so give up the 12th pick because we were too stupid to lose games. Don’t like that

In that hypothetical scenario though you could get a really good core piece for the future there. To me that's extremely important if we're to be relevant again in a few years.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think the correct approach is Emp's plan of going 11+12 for 8+Tampa's 1st (assuming Martone or Hagens are still there), then go about Rust, Rakell, and EK throughout the rest of the off-season, trying to get three more 1sts, but at bare minimum two more 1sts.

I think you ideally trade one of Rust or Rakell at the draft to get a 2025 1st and then EK after July 1st to get a 2026 1st. I want to get a late 1st in 2025 to pick up either Boumedienne, Kindel or Lee as well, depending on who you take if you trade up. If it's Martone, I want Kindel. If it's Hagens, I want Boumedienne or Lee.

I'd be really happy with the draft if they came out with Hagens at #8 and Boumedienne at #24, while having 3 1sts (theirs, Tampa's and Dallas') for 2026 after the EK trade.

 

[Freeptop]

that means nothing, teams do future considerations all the time or player to be named later.

Future considerations doesn't actually mean anything that could be enforced, so that would technically be an entirely separate trade after Rust's NTC expired, and the NHL doesn't allow "player to be named later" trades under the current CBA (I don't believe they've allowed it since at least the institution of the Salary Cap; and a good thing it doesn't, since it would be a way to do sneaky end-runs around the Cap, considering how cap hits get pro-rated over the season).

 

[AuroraBorealis]

You're goin with the quantity over quality, I'd prefer the opposite. Beyond the 1st round we have a lot of additional picks in rds two and three over the next three drafts.

By saying "quality", you're trusting the scouts implicitly.
I don't trust them though, not in that range.
For all we know the quality's in the 20s.

We may have a lot of 2nds and 3rds, but I don't think we have anywhere close to enough 1sts, to realistically build a core out of.

I would turn the 4 1sts we currently have over the next 3 years into 8.
4 different trades.

Load up to a point where the math gets good. Hit rates in the draft suck.

 

[Ryder71]

I think you ideally trade one of Rust or Rakell at the draft to get a 2025 1st and then EK after July 1st to get a 2026 1st. I want to get a late 1st in 2025 to pick up either Boumedienne, Kindel or Lee as well, depending on who you take if you trade up. If it's Martone, I want Kindel. If it's Hagens, I want Boumedienne or Lee.

I'd be really happy with the draft if they came out with Hagens at #8 and Boumedienne at #24, while having 3 1sts (theirs, Tampa's and Dallas') for 2026 after the EK trade.

Neither Tampa or Dallas have 1st round picks in '26.

 

[Ryder71]

By saying "quality", you're trusting the scouts implicitly.
I don't trust them though, not in that range.
For all we know the quality's in the 20s.

We may have a lot of 2nds and 3rds, but I don't think we have anywhere close to enough 1sts, to realistically build a core out of.

I would turn the 4 1sts we currently have over the next 3 years into 8.
4 different trades.

Load up to a point where the math gets good. Hit rates in the draft suck.

Nah, I think there's a decided difference between 5th OA and say 20th OA.

And if you can't trust your scouts then I would suggest your ORG is in big trouble.

Each draft has it's own nuances however I'd rather have One of 5th- 8th OA then say 23rd and 26th OA.

 

[Guins71]

In that hypothetical scenario though you could get a really good core piece for the future there. To me that's extremely important if we're to be relevant again in a few years.

It really illustrates how dumb this team was at the end of the season

 

[Turin]

Gotta see if Nashville or Utah really want Rust or Rakell

 

[Ryder71]

It really illustrates how dumb this team was at the end of the season

I led that charge and was completely beside myself when they brought the kids up and went on a run. That was the dumbest thing Dubas has done since being here!!!!!! He should left those kids down there and let them fall a part after the BUF loss. Bringing up those kids changed the momentum. It was beyond ridiculous. I was furious!

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I thought the REALLY fun thing about their late season resurgence last year is that they waited until like the last 15ish games to actually try anything as opposed to when it might have actually made a positive difference in their fortunes much earlier in the season. So not only did they emphatically miss the playoffs but also harmed their draft position in a weak class. Neat!

 

[HandshakeLine]

It's just a series of weird mixed messages from this team. I expect more in the next few seasons.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Nah, I think there's a decided difference between 5th OA and say 20th OA.

And if you can't trust your scouts then I would suggest your ORG is in big trouble.

Each draft has it's own nuances however I'd rather have One of 5th- 8th OA then say 23rd and 26th OA.

That's 5th.
I'm talking about the 12th-26 range. Big difference.
Their level of accuracy falls off.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It's just a series of weird mixed messages from this team. I expect more in the next few seasons.

I think that one of the primary fonts of confusion and flat-out stupidity has been shown the door after far-too-long, at least.

 

[Ryder71]

If it goes as this

NYI Schaefer
SJS Misa
CHI Martone
UTH Desnoyers
NAS Frondell
PHI Martin
BOS Hagens
SEA O’brien
BUF Mcqueen
ANH Smith

11 I go Logan Hensler RD I think he can be a RD Jaccob Slavin. He will eat a ton of minutes !

12 Carter Bear he plays like Timo Meier.

I’d be really happy to get those 2.

I'm ok with Bear but hoping for better. Hensler, come now. Not that high. Stop sippin the whiskey , geez!