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Prospect Info: Draft 2025 - Everyone is trading up, but no one seems to be trading down edition

Personally I would prioritize getting the best prospect you can. On draft day, if you don't think you can get JOB/Eklund/Martin at 11 then Id trade up. I don't really like the next group of McQueen, Mrtka, Aitcheson etc
100%!!!!! JOB/EK/Martin, any of those three and we're cooking with gas.

In fact, relative to reasonable expectations, I can't think of anyone else we should be taking between 8th OA and 11 OA as I doubt any make it to 11th. If we move up to 8th one of them should be there! You nab him and get the hell outta dodge!
 
If we got the Rangers 12th could 11 + 12 move us into the top 5 or 6? Should we? Assuming in such a scenario we have our eyes on Martone or Hagens and also have the inside intel they aren’t falling past 8.

Our pool being kinda thin still makes me lean towards just staying put and add 2 good prospects over 1 very good prospect.

I would try to do #11 and #12 for #7 or #8 plus a late 1st. Both Boston and Seattle have late 2026 1st rounders from selling, so I’d just try to swap 2 1sts for 2 1sts.

I’m not sure Boston would do it, but #11 and #12 for #8 and Tampa’s 2026 1st with Seattle feels totally possible.
 
My only hesitation with trading up for Martone is that it doesn't address either the C or LD holes this team has in its system, so you're spending assets on what can easily be argued is a luxury. That said, if you can trade up for Martone without losing the Rangers 1st and also draft Eklund, I absolutely love the looks of a Koivunen-Martone and McGroarty-Eklund winger duos going forward.
It's year one of a like 5-7 year rebuild more than likely. They don't need a specific position imo.

They'll get the centers and blueliners. And ideally with the better picks they'll have moving forward, which hopefully translates to better building blocks.
 
I mean drafting a hot shot winger isn’t the worst idea in the world because you can always trade players if he’s not an essential piece to build around. But go for BPA.
 
It's year one of a like 5-7 year rebuild more than likely. They don't need a specific position imo.

They'll get the centers and blueliners. And ideally with the better picks they'll have moving forward, which hopefully translates to better building blocks.
Year two of what we hope is a 5-7 year rebuild.
 
It's absolutely not year two yet. It might not even truly be year one if Dubas doesn't trade Rust, Rakell and EK between now and the TDL. :laugh:
Well it’s either year zero or year two. We’re drafting in almost the same spot, we sent assets out at the trade deadline both years. There really isn’t much of a difference in last two seasons in approach.
 
It's year one of a like 5-7 year rebuild more than likely. They don't need a specific position imo.

They'll get the centers and blueliners. And ideally with the better picks they'll have moving forward, which hopefully translates to better building blocks.

Their 2 top-6 centers are both in their late 30s, though. It's pretty massively important that they draft a potential top-6 center as soon as possible. I'm not going to pass on Martone based on that, but I do think it needs to be considered.

That said, I think I'd rather be trying to use that Rangers 1st to trade up in the kind of deal I suggested on the last page (#11 and #12 for #8 and Tampa's 2026 1st). I wouldn't even really be trying to get both Martone and Eklund, I'd just be trying to get Martone.

This is getting into the salary cap discussion a bit, but what I'd be trying to do is that deal, Rakell to LA for Spence and pick #24 and Karlsson to Carolina for Walker and a 2026 1st. Try to be sitting at #8 and #24 this year and the Penguins 1st, Tampa 1st and Dallas/Carolina 1st in 2026.
 
Their 2 top-6 centers are both in their late 30s, though. It's pretty massively important that they draft a potential top-6 center as soon as possible. I'm not going to pass on Martone based on that, but I do think it needs to be considered.

That said, I think I'd rather be trying to use that Rangers 1st to trade up in the kind of deal I suggested on the last page (#11 and #12 for #8 and Tampa's 2026 1st). I wouldn't even really be trying to get both Martone and Eklund, I'd just be trying to get Martone.
I think the only thing that matters is getting quality guys with picks right now regardless of position. Prospect cupboard's looking better but it's still pretty barren as far as blue chip talent goes. I'm high on McG and Koivunen but they seem like middle 6 guys or complimentary, third wheel players on a scoring line. Martone looks like he could be a rich man's version of McG.

This team has a looooong time to sort out the particulars, and we agree they should be building from the center and blueline first, but if the best guy available is Martone, and he's within trading distance, I'm happy to take him and not think twice. Same goes for Hagens, even if he shifts to wing as a pro player. If all things were equal and you've got to pick between a center and wing, I'd go center, but I think Martone's a good step up on anybody likely to be available around the Pens' pick, including O'Brien.

As for the Spence thing, I'm not super interested in the guy. If that's the best Rakell brings back, a later 1st and Spence, so be it, but I'd look elsewhere first.
 
Well it’s either year zero or year two. We’re drafting in almost the same spot, we sent assets out at the trade deadline both years. There really isn’t much of a difference in last two seasons in approach.
There's a difference in trading UFA's and players with term. One suggests a rebuild, the other suggests a retool because you don't want to lose them for nothing.
 
I find the critique of Hagens to be harsh too. He was a PPG player in the hardest league of all the prospects, it’s not like he sucked.
 
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Part of me hopes Rags gives us #12 and Pens draft Aitcheson and Mrtka just to see the complete meltdown.

I would suggest the Ghost of Shero had possessed Dubas...

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Can't really plan or project anything until the Rangers pick decision is made. I assume it's more advantageous for the Rangers not to say what they're doing until the deadline? I'm guessing the decision has been made but it's pretty surprising there have been no real leaks yet.
 
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Can't really plan or project anything until the Rangers pick decision is made. I assume it's more advantageous for the Rangers not to say what they're doing until the deadline? I'm guessing the decision has been made but it's pretty surprising there have been no real leaks yet.
I personally think it’s not a hard decision to make and I don’t think the arguments for them keeping the 2025 pick are very persuasive. Even if they’re going to be good this season, they’ll want the 2026 pick to improve at the deadline, or for trades this summer, or to make a pick in a much better draft. They will almost certainly be giving us the pick in a few days
 
I personally think it’s not a hard decision to make and I don’t think the arguments for them keeping the 2025 pick are very persuasive. Even if they’re going to be good this season, they’ll want the 2026 pick to improve at the deadline, or for trades this summer, or to make a pick in a much better draft. They will almost certainly be giving us the pick in a few days
Unprotected 1st has more value in a stronger draft. It 'could be' higher. A lower pick in '26 could also produce a better prospect than 12th in '25.
'26 pick can be used in RFA offers.
Drury isn't on the hot seat but another season or two like last year and he could be.
Prospects 3-4 years away should be his last concern.
 
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Unprotected 1st has more value in a stronger draft. It 'could be' higher. A lower pick in '26 could also produce a better prospect than 12th in '25.
'26 pick can be used in RFA offers.
Drury isn't on the hot seat but another season or two like last year and he could be.
Prospects 3-4 years away should be his last concern.
The value will depend on the team. Some GMs are on hot seat so a pick a year earlier is automatically more valuable than a pick into the future and pick certainty is more valuable to most GMs than the upside variable. Penguins, being one of the few rebuilders with a safe GM, extract more value from the potential upside of that pick a year later than pick certainty now.
 
Can't really plan or project anything until the Rangers pick decision is made. I assume it's more advantageous for the Rangers not to say what they're doing until the deadline? I'm guessing the decision has been made but it's pretty surprising there have been no real leaks yet.
Probably best to wait until the last minute to see who might be and who won’t be available as far as offer sheets go.
 
Yeah the latest report is that Drury is exploring all avenues to see how he can improve the team with their 1sts and won't make a decision on which pick to give up until the last minute.

It seems unlikely that the Rangers will keep #12 to use it, though. It seems like they'll either keep #12 to trade it for win-now help or they'll give up #12 to have the 2026 1st to use for offersheets.
 
Lakovic is a sleeper to go in the top-10 to me, I think Anaheim taking him at #10 makes a lot of sense based on their draft track record. He's the best combination of speed, skill and size in this class, but the effort level and playstyle are massive red flags that really scare me from him.

He's not a guy I'd be mad with taking, I certainly see the upside with him, but he's a good bit down my list for who I'd want. Lakovic and Aitcheson at #11 and #12 feels realistic but I wouldn't be overly happy about it.
 
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Lakovic is a sleeper to go in the top-10 to me, I think Anaheim taking him at #10 makes a lot of sense based on their draft track record. He's the best combination of speed, skill and size in this class, but the effort level and playstyle are massive red flags that really scare me from him.

He's not a guy I'd be mad with taking, I certainly see the upside with him, but he's a good bit down my list for who I'd want. Lakovic and Aitcheson at #11 and #12 feels realistic but I wouldn't be overly happy about it.
I'd way rather they go for a high risk/reward prospect like Lakovic than what I view to be a safer prospect in Aitcheson. Left handed 4/5 dmen are available every offseason for cheap. Minimal added value at #11/12 if that is all he becomes.
 
I'd way rather they go for a high risk/reward prospect like Lakovic than what I view to be a safer prospect in Aitcheson. Left handed 4/5 dmen are available every offseason for cheap. Minimal added value at #11/12 if that is all he becomes.

I don't really agree with this, I think Aitcheson's physicality and toughness is pretty unique and he'd offer a lot of value with that even if he just becomes a #4/5 defenseman.

Jeannott was traded for nearly a whole draft class of picks solely because he was big and physical.
 
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