Mrb1p
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Well, Stapley, McShane, Harris and Romanov are doing good too, tbh.
Hillis is really the only one that had trouble with his season, and I'm not going to give up on him that easy.
HF Habs: Draft 2018: What are your immediate draft class feelings?
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Hillis is really the only one that had trouble with his season, and I'm not going to give up on him that easy.
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Even if this ends up a two player draft of Kotka and Romanov, we should be thrilled. Two top end players at our two biggest positions of need.
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I still can't get over the behind the scenes draft video the Habs released. The scout says that if they are looking at a homerun pick, Fonstad could be that guy. However, they decide to pick Jack f***ing Gorniak over him. Why not just take your potential homerun pick earlier instead of a player with limited potential? Of course it's pointless now since Fonstad DID fall to us, but that is a stupid gamble that probably didn't work out with a bunch of players in the past.
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Adam Michaels
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Fonstad was selected before Houde.
Fonstad was 128th and Houde was 133rd. Both in the 5th Round.
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Mrb1p
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Strong words
Anyway, Hillis was WTKs guy, and anytime that jabroni is wrong I love reminding him
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Well Houde is still the only pick who has me wondering. Gorniak is a work horse who played some 1st line minute in NCAA. I think Gorniak is a way better prospect than Houde so yes, it changed the point of your post imo.
Your point was Houde.....now it’s another player.
They got Fonstad, end of story
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Gorniak is STILL a prospect with limited potential even if he is better than Houde. The point was that we should be picking potential homerun picks instead of prospects with limited potential. So no, it really does not change the point of my post.
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To be fair, we don't know what their scouting report on Gorniak was. But I get what you mean.
They did the opposite with Romanov as they didn't want to gamble losing him so they selected him much higher than expected.
They also gambled on losing Hillis as Timmins really wanted to select him but MB ended up trading a pick to get two (one a few spots later and the other a few rounds later). Timmins wasn't happy when MB said he traded the pick. But he thanked him later when Hillis was still available to be picked. And they got the extra pick to select Houde, if my memory serves me right.
Either way, they got their guys. The 2017 and 2018 drafts are slowly looking like real good ones.
Oh, it definitely is, I'm just being inflammatory.
But I think that, in general, if a prospect doesn't take big strides after their draft year, and they're not already at the elite level that's just about it for them. You could make worse bets is all I'm saying.
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I mean I personally see nothing that screams homerun about Gorniak. It also wouldnt be the first time we would do that(Lernout instead of Point. I'm glad the past 2 drafts look good though.
We as in the Montreal Canadiens????
It is evident that they thought higher of Gorniak then Fonstad.
Maybe as they scouted the player, not too many more scouts were at Fonstad’s games, maybe they know stuff you don’t know as they are on the road 300 days a year looking at these players, maybe they knew other teams were gonna pick Gorniak if they waited till the 5th........
What do you see in McShane that he is a bust? He is having a great season.
As for Gorniak, he has great motor and work ethic, his offensive is not there this year but we have to consider he is playing in the NCAA.
Fonstad has a shot and good passing but lack work ethic. Will be interesting to see if he'll improve this. This is also the reason why he fell on draft day. 30 other teams passed on him in the 4th round, i think he was considered a hr pick by anyone at that point.
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If they didn't trade the two 2nds in 2016, we may be saying that the 16-17-18 drafts look great.
I'm a fan of Shaw and I am happy he's a Hab. But if we're looking at it solely through the draft, we all heard the rumors that Habs were looking at DeBrincat and Girard as their two picks. That draft would've brought Sergachev, DeBrincat, Girard, and Mete. And even if Sergachev was still traded, that draft would've brought Habs Drouin, DeBrincat, Girard, and Mete.
But now I'm delving in the "What if" game.
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Or they picked someone who they thought was a safer player. Timmins himself said the same thing when DLR got picked ahead of Lehkonen who had more potential. That's just one of the many examples.
Passed up Point??.....ya, so did
Columbus twice
NYI
Dallas
Buffalo twice
San Jose
Jersey
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Toronto
Carolina
Vancouver
Florida
Detroit
Nashville
But really, why did Tampa select 2 busts who played ZERO NHL games in the second round if Point was available and a “homerun” pick......why????
Maybe that’ll be our version of Fonstad?
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I hate this excuse so much. If you keep saying "It's ok that we missed on this player because other teams did too" then you will never have successful drafting.
Tampa has been known for gambling on homerun picks outside the 1st. Of course not all of them are going to land, but I like their approach A LOT more than ours. I do feel optimistic about our last 2 draft years though.
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The biggest surprises are Romanov and Harris, what they are doing is very impressive. As a big Timmins fan I should have known better though since both are defensemen and that's his bread and butter. Stapley has also been a nice surprise although he turns 20 this month it's still good to see him as a 2nd line center at a top program.
Kotka has certainly been much better then I would have thought for an 18 year old.
Hillis, Houde, Olofsson, Gornaik are disappointing for sure, have watched a lot of Olofsson and so far not too impressed other then he has a lot of qualities that DLR had at same age so if handled different he could perhaps be at least somewhat better. I know Gornaik is on a young team but they have a lot of goals yet his numbers are really bad. He turns 20 before next season so he'll need to show more offense. That said his speed and effort remind me of Bitten and Gallagher.
Fonstad we'll see where his season ends, I had expected a good bit more from him as I thought he would be at least close if not over the 100 point mark since he's on a powerhouse but his usage has been odd considering he's one of their top producers.
McShane is more of a disappointment, the goals are good but the points aren't where I would have hoped for his age 18 season.
Kotka has certainly been much better then I would have thought for an 18 year old.
Hillis, Houde, Olofsson, Gornaik are disappointing for sure, have watched a lot of Olofsson and so far not too impressed other then he has a lot of qualities that DLR had at same age so if handled different he could perhaps be at least somewhat better. I know Gornaik is on a young team but they have a lot of goals yet his numbers are really bad. He turns 20 before next season so he'll need to show more offense. That said his speed and effort remind me of Bitten and Gallagher.
Fonstad we'll see where his season ends, I had expected a good bit more from him as I thought he would be at least close if not over the 100 point mark since he's on a powerhouse but his usage has been odd considering he's one of their top producers.
McShane is more of a disappointment, the goals are good but the points aren't where I would have hoped for his age 18 season.
Well he's not having a bad season, but a great season is stretching it. He's like 50th in league scoring. To me he's an after thought in our prospect pool unless and until he proves otherwise.
Because they believe in NP's Universal Theory of Drafting: prospects should be selected as late as possible, even if you KNOW a given prospect is better than prospects ranked ahead of him.
...but nah they just lucky he was still available.
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