Value of: Dougie Hamilton
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They need to upgrade their forward group and $9M in cap flexibility would obviously help address that.
The odds of such a deal happening would be slim, but I expect Carolina will be looking for an RD this off-season.
The Canes board guessed Karlsson will be a target, but I can see Carolina looking back at Hamilton again if the price is reasonable. Would probably look at moving Walker or Ghost in this deal or another move so they could run something like:
Slavin-Hamilton/Karlsson
Nikishin-Chatfield
Ghost/Walker - Morrow
The Canes board guessed Karlsson will be a target, but I can see Carolina looking back at Hamilton again if the price is reasonable. Would probably look at moving Walker or Ghost in this deal or another move so they could run something like:
Slavin-Hamilton/Karlsson
Nikishin-Chatfield
Ghost/Walker - Morrow
Once again who are they going out and getting with that money that they couldn't with the space they'll already have. Boeser? Granlund? Nelson? All worse players than Hamilton and would likely be signed to worse contracts.
Boeser or Nelson would be upgrades. Ehlers would be a huge get. There is also the trade route.
Your evaluation of Hamilton is just massively wrong. He is a 3rd pair defenseman at ES at this point. That is literally how he was deployed and his defensive impacts are poor. He's a 3rd pair guy that plays on the top PP. He's like peak Tyson Barrie. That's what he is.
Given that the PP production can be pretty plausibly replaced, and his ES contributions are nondescript, I don't think it's hard to imagine a scenario where the team reallocates that $9M and improves overall.
I mean it's by no mean the easiest deal to get done but I do think they'd have a market for him if they want to move him. This may be 1 season too soon though.
Djp
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Hus contract looks yo gave a high bonus this summer. After bonus he's 14.6M over 3 yrs. It's a contract with empty space.
Budget conscious teams might have interest.
Hus next 3 yrs he's 32-34 so there is trsk.
Budget conscious teams might have interest.
Hus next 3 yrs he's 32-34 so there is trsk.
GIN ANTONIC
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The Boeser or Nelson contracts would almost certainly be instantly much worse than Hamilton's. As for a trade look how easy it was for Carolina to bring someone in.
He has pretty much the same ES point production as L. Hughes while playing significantly fewer minutes. He still drives play especially offensively. Higher 5v5 xG% than Hughes, highest actual goal % of defenseman on the team. Light years better than Barrie.
Caps fans went through this same song and dance about Carlson a couple of years ago.
Gurglesons
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Yes. Carolina made a couple massive trades in-season. If you're trying to show the trade route is pretty plausible if you're willing to be creative, well good job.
Dougie's higher ES point rate production is mostly because of his much higher on-ice shooting percentage.
Dougie does have a marginally higher xG%, but that's on the back of still worse defensive performance (worse xGA) and being more sheltered than Luke.
I think you're making my point for me. Marginal drawback from replacing Dougie's minutes with internal options, and the result is $9M in cap flex to upgrade an underperforming bottom-9 forward group.
NJ should move Palat well before Hamilton. If need be move Haula also. Frees up the same cap space and NJ is a better team with Hamilton and no Palat and no Haula than with Palat and Haula and no Hamilton.
They would have to attach assets to rid themselves of those contracts, Hamilton is positive value in a trade.
lanceuppercut75
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to San Jose Sharks
Dougie Hamilton (3y @ $9.0m)
to New Jersey Devils
Vincent Desharnais (1y @ $2.0m)
5th round draft pick
Devils open up $7m in cap space. The remaining $2m is a one year commitment only. Nemec and Casey are both ready or ready-ish. Whichever looks more ready gets the roster spot. Desharnais can be flipped or waived or kept as a 7D.
Hughes - Pesce
Siegenthaler - Kovacevic
Dillon - (Nemec/Casey)
Desharnais
Dougie Hamilton (3y @ $9.0m)
to New Jersey Devils
Vincent Desharnais (1y @ $2.0m)
5th round draft pick
Devils open up $7m in cap space. The remaining $2m is a one year commitment only. Nemec and Casey are both ready or ready-ish. Whichever looks more ready gets the roster spot. Desharnais can be flipped or waived or kept as a 7D.
Hughes - Pesce
Siegenthaler - Kovacevic
Dillon - (Nemec/Casey)
Desharnais
Hamilton is not a cap dump at this point. He still plays 20 minutes a night and has value as a PP1 QB with that shot of his.
He'll also only be 32-34 years old on the last 3 years of his contract, so I don't think his play will drop off that much.
I also doubt he accepts a trade to San Jose with his no-trade protection.
That would be God awful value without retention, but you went even further and had the Devils retain 2mil lol. Comical offer
Easy mistake to make - most of the time the sites mention the number of teams a guy won't accept a trade to (though I guess it would look goofy having it say 21-team no trade list).
Listing 10 acceptable teams is a lot of control when you think about it. Especially if he wants to stay put in NJ.
Start with divisional teams - they wouldn't want to trade him to Carolina, Washington or especially the Rangers. With Columbus improved they probably would want not want to send him there.
So now we're down to 6.
Then Hamilton's team would presumably pivot to cap-strapped contenders.
Looking at Spotrac that would mean Colorado, Tampa Bay, Vegas, and St Louis as the 4 most cap-strapped. Dallas looks like a tough fit too that way.
That leaves 1. Let's say Florida - which looks to have enough room but if the Devils are looking at eastern contenders I don't think that's the first place they'd want to send him.
That is just spitballing - and that's on my own concept of what teams would make it hardest to move Hamilton - especially without retaining for 3 years. Of course he may have different ideas of what he would want that 10 team list to look like. Maybe it's a straightforward preference - but if he wants to he certainly has leverage to make it much more challenging.
And thanks to this thread (and me digging around as a result of it) - Palat has the same terms.
He lists 10 teams that we CAN trade him to. So Palat effectively has a 21-team no trade list as well. Oof.
He lists 10 teams that we CAN trade him to. So Palat effectively has a 21-team no trade list as well. Oof.
Carolina moved off of a very high payed player in Rantanen (although one much better than Dougie) and in return got future assets and cap space with the idea of "we'll turn around and use those to go get another player that fits better" and they ended up with no one. When you are a contender -- which the Devils at minimum should see themselves as -- it is a massive risk to move on from a good player for nebulous future assets such as "cap space" and "first round picks." There is no guarantee that you will be able to turn those into the player you actually want.
They wouldn't be replacing his minutes with Hughes though it would be Casey or Nemec and I pretty strongly disagree that the drop-off from Dougie to either of them is marginal.
Juxtaposer
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Yep. I have been VERY against this since people started talking about it.
Before he got hurt he was on pace for his second best offensive season in his career.
Would like to keep him.
lanceuppercut75
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There's no salary retention. You just read it wrong.
Trading a $9m guy for a $2m guy means you opened up $7m in cap space.
lanceuppercut75
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Here's the issue...
Pesce was added last summer and seems to be in the medium-term plans. Kovacevic was JUST extended so is in the medium-term plans. Nemec or Casey or both are high quality prospects who will be in the NHL soon.
Even if you trade one of Nemec or Casey, that's 4 right handed D that should be playing every night. Nemec and Casey are waiver exempt for now, but won't be for all of Hamilton's contract.
2 guys are probably going, and Hamilton and one of the kids seems most logical. Hamilton within a year. The kid within 2 years.
Things could change with regards to Pesce or Kovacevic in 2 years though, I suppose. It could be both kids staying and one of Pesce / Kovacevic going (and Hamilton too).
