Proposal: Dougie Hamilton to EDM

[perronist]

Dougie Hamilton seems to be one of those one players that is an advanced stats darlings while being an old school scout's nightmare.

Pros: He put ups points and he's got great possession numbers
Cons: Questions about his mental and physical toughness. Generally considered aloof.

If Flames fans love him, great keep him.

If Brian Burke secretly wants him far, far away from his team because he doesn't trust him. That would not surprise me in the least.

Hamilton has the 2nd most hits on the flames and is consistently great at boxing out and emerging from the corners with the puck. 'questions' about his mental and physical toughness are bunk and if Brian Burke wants him far away from the team for these questions it's Brain Burke who needs to be far away from the team. this would also go against everything Brian Burke said last week to dispel rumours.

getting p tired of defending Hamilton on hfboards. most people have no clue and refuse to listen to the people who've watched him most.

I can't speak for all flames fans but I would be incensed if we trade him.

e: not responding you specifically but just in this thread, we have edmonton fans laughing at the idea that 'hamilton>larson,' a leafs fan proclaiming that 'eberle>>>>>>hamilton' etc

 

[Skobel24]

Nope. Not trading Hamilton.

 

[McSuper]

Jordan Eberle + 2018 2nd + Brandon Davidson for Dougie Hamilton.

Eberle fills the void on the first line RW for the Flames.

Eberle: 27 GP, 7G, 13A, 20 pts (but shooting at 9.4%, below his 13.4% career average)

Hamilton is the offensive defenceman the Oilers need. Will definitely help the PP.

Hamilton: 28 GP, 3G, 10A, 13 pts

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I know it's a trade between two division rivals, but it adresses the needs of both teams.

EDIT: Added Davidson

As a Fan of both teams it is not enough value going to the Flames . The play of Eberle leaves a lot to desire Right now he is playing like cap dump . If he doesn't get it going he will become Sam Gagner 2.0 and bounce around at league min salary . Davidson is a nice piece if he proves he can play like he did last year over a full season . I know Oiler fans , myself included raves about him but unless he proves it over a full season no other team will value him like Oilers fans do . In the end there not enough value going to the Flames . A better proposal would be . Edmonton Oilers rent the barn . Calgary Flame provide the transportation to the barn for Burke and Lowe and it get streamed on both teams site . Both fan base win No matter who wins the fight .

 

[VainGretzky]

Eberle is quickly approaching cap dump status. Absurd to think he'd get a 6'5" top pairing rhs defenceman

Hamilton's not going anywhere given how well he and Giordano are playing. And he's especially not going to Edmonton of all places

5th highest scoring RW this decade 12th this season 1 point out of ninth serious the laugh should go to you

 

[A91]

Yep Flames fans have 3 #1 defenseman and Elliot is a better than goalie than Talbot. We get it it.
Its just bad luck they are 23rd in GA .

 

[Boumsalot]

It would take Poolparty+Davidson

 

[A91]

LOL at the guy saying he wouldn't do Wideman for Ebs. Thats precious.

 

[Seachd]

It would take Poolparty+Davidson

Good luck with that.

 

[Volica]

LOL at the guy saying he wouldn't do Wideman for Ebs. Thats precious.

I'd do that, if 30% could be held on Eberle with Bouma going the other way as well.

Just not enough cap in Calgary to go around unfortunately.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Not trading Hamilton. Dude is playing unreal hockey right now and showing why he's so highly valued. Players like Eberle are a lot easier to find than players like Hamilton.

We're not trading a 23-year old, 6'5" top pairing defenseman on a great contract, and who hasn't even entered his prime yet. This thread is ludicrous.

 

[victor]

Yep Flames fans have 3 #1 defenseman and Elliot is a better than goalie than Talbot. We get it it.
Its just bad luck they are 23rd in GA .

That's if you're counting it as goals against per 60, where they are tied at 23rd or 24th with 2.89 ga/60, with the Jets.

They're currently 27th or 28th for goals against, also tied with the Jets with 81.

TJ Brodie is -16 in 28 games. What happened?

 

[SmellOfVictory]

That's if you're counting it as goals against per 60, where they are tied at 23rd or 24th with 2.89 ga/60, with the Jets.

They're currently 27th or 28th for goals against, also tied with the Jets with 81.

TJ Brodie is -16 in 28 games. What happened?

re: high goals against: Yes, the first month of the season was a complete writeoff, and 3/4 of the team, including its 3 core dmen, was playing like crap. That doesn't mean they're overall bad dmen (just responding to people in general, not necessarily you).

re: Brodie: At a guess, he didn't adapt well initially to being forced to play on the left side, he has spent far too many games with Dennis "Turnstile" Wideman, and Elliott couldn't stop a beachball in many games.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Dougie Hamilton seems to be one of those one players that is an advanced stats darlings while being an old school scout's nightmare.

Pros: He put ups points and he's got great possession numbers
Cons: Questions about his mental and physical toughness. Generally considered aloof.

If Flames fans love him, great keep him.

If Brian Burke secretly wants him far, far away from his team because he doesn't trust him. That would not surprise me in the least.

Terrible post is terrible.

 

[Blitzago*]

Yep Flames fans have 3 #1 defenseman and Elliot is a better than goalie than Talbot. We get it it.
Its just bad luck they are 23rd in GA .

You forgot Gaudreau = McDavid.

 

[Calgareee]

That's if you're counting it as goals against per 60, where they are tied at 23rd or 24th with 2.89 ga/60, with the Jets.

They're currently 27th or 28th for goals against, also tied with the Jets with 81.

TJ Brodie is -16 in 28 games. What happened?

He's playing on the left when he is much more comfortable on the right side and is no longer playing with Gio. He also got some horrible personal news. His fiancé has been diagnosed with MS and I can only imagine the stress that has to put on him.

 

[victor]

re: high goals against: Yes, the first month of the season was a complete writeoff, and 3/4 of the team, including its 3 core dmen, was playing like crap. That doesn't mean they're overall bad dmen (just responding to people in general, not necessarily you).

re: Brodie: At a guess, he didn't adapt well initially to being forced to play on the left side, he has spent far too many games with Dennis "Turnstile" Wideman, and Elliott couldn't stop a beachball in many games.

So, too small a sample size to say where they're at?

Maybe they should have hid Brodie (and his 2nd highest minutes played) behind Hamilton? Or behind Engelland, who has the best plus/minus for the defenders?

 

[victor]

He's playing on the left when he is much more comfortable on the right side and is no longer playing with Gio. He also got some horrible personal news. His fiancé has been diagnosed with MS and I can only imagine the stress that has to put on him.

Sorry to hear about his fiancé. MS is a horrible disease (and most prevalent in women in Alberta.) Hope she's doing well.

 

[King1s]

Replace the 2017 2nd with Larsson and Nurse.

You would not get Larsson OR Nurse alone for Hamilton. Lames fans... pls

 

[King1s]

This is an absolutely ridiculous argument, and I see it frequently on HF. 1 player alone isn't going to change the course of a team and a team's record has no bearing on the value of a player nor a indictment of his play.

But the lames have 4 norris candidates(2 more in minors), vezina level goalkeeping, better players than Hall and McDavid(includes the face of hockey and 2-3 1st line centers.

Why aren't they winning the cup easily? Feel free to explain this.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

That's not what do either. We keep our top 3 D and look at adding another capable top 4D. Oduya, Stone, Hamhuis. Something like that. Stop-gap until Andersson/Kulak are ready to be top 4 guys.

I'd like to go for Alzner the most. Oduya is a decent option. Just don't go for Daley, he's an extreme defensive liability lol.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Wrong.

Hamilton: 53.7 CF% (53.5 adjusted)
Larsson: 50.7 CF% (51.8 adjusted)

More importantly:

Hamilton: 5.87 CF%Rel (5.13 adjusted)
Larsson: -1.8 CF%Rel (-0.88 adjusted)

Let's put it another way for fun:

Hamilton with F.Hamilton: 59.5% (41.1 without)
Hamilton with Stajan: 56.4% (54.1 without)
Hamilton with Backlund: 55.0% (53.6 without)
Hamilton with Bennett: 53.5% (43.1 without)
Hamilton with Monahan: 49.8% (46.2 without)

Larsson with Draisaitl: 55.2% (49.7 without)
Larsson with McDavid: 50.4% (56.3 without)
Larsson with RNH: 51.4% (54.2 without)
Larsson with Letestu: 47.9% (49.0 without)

Other than Draisaitl, Larsson tank every C's numbers. Hamilton rises every C's numbers.

Wrong again!

Larsson TOI.QoC: 29.6
Hamilton TOI.QoC: 29.3
Larsson TOI.QoT: 28.1
Hamilton TOI.QoT: 27.7

The drop in QoT more than nullify the slightly higher QoC.

Larsson has more defensive zone starts, however Hamilton actually starts more in the Dzone than Ozone and still puts up fantastic numbers. Larsson is still an excellent defenseman, and I'd love to put him with Brodie, but at the same time Hamilton is even better.

 

[Reinhart]

There is zero incentive for the Flames to trade Hamilton.

Having Eberle as the centerpiece of that deal is downright insulting. Flames do not need nor want Eberle.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

But the lames have 4 norris candidates(2 more in minors), vezina level goalkeeping, better players than Hall and McDavid(includes the face of hockey and 2-3 1st line centers.

Why aren't they winning the cup easily? Feel free to explain this.

It was a ridiculous post, as is yours, but I think you know that. Or are you agreeing with the poster when he said that Larsson > Hamilton because the Oilers currently have a better record?

 

[Johnny GODreau]

But the lames have 4 norris candidates(2 more in minors), vezina level goalkeeping, better players than Hall and McDavid(includes the face of hockey and 2-3 1st line centers.

Why aren't they winning the cup easily? Feel free to explain this.

I can play this game too, the Oilers have a Kopitar a Datsyuk, the next Crosby and 5 Giordanos why haven't they made the playoffs in 10 years..

 

[Blitzago*]

I can play this game too, the Oilers have a Kopitar a Datsyuk, the next Crosby and 5 Giordanos why haven't they made the playoffs in 10 years..

I have yet to see anyone on the oilers forum claim any of our D are as good as gio or will ever be as good as gio

So if you're gonna make stuff up, just don't post trying to sound smart

You and all flames fans know how one of your certain posters overrates every prospect drafted by the flames