Podcast (Audio) Dorion Retrospective

[flyingfingers]

And understated part of the Dorion disaster heading into 17/18 was not sending that 2nd to Vegas so they didn’t take Methot.

If the thinking was “we’ll get Duchene and go all in for 2 years before blowing it up when everyone needs new contracts”, letting Methot go and replacing him with Johnny Oduya was absolute lunacy.

That team was driven by Karlsson, and a huge part of Karlsson being able to play the way he did was having Methot next to him.

Instead we lost Methot and Karlsson was rushed back from a major injury only to be paired with a series of terrible partners and it all went to shit after we had already traded our 1st…

 

[Masked]

And understated part of the Dorion disaster heading into 17/18 was not sending that 2nd to Vegas so they didn’t take Methot.

If the thinking was “we’ll get Duchene and go all in for 2 years before blowing it up when everyone needs new contracts”, letting Methot go and replacing him with Johnny Oduya was absolute lunacy.

That team was driven by Karlsson, and a huge part of Karlsson being able to play the way he did was having Methot next to him.

Methot retired 45 games after he left the Sens. How would have he stopped the disaster? If anything, sending a pick so they'd take someone else would have been a bigger disaster.

 

[flyingfingers]

Methot retired 45 games after he left the Sens. How would have he stopped the disaster? If anything, sending a pick so they'd take someone else would have been a bigger disaster.

We’re going back in time here.

If we go back in time and Methot stays, maybe he keeps up his regular routine of eating/training/living and never suffers the injury he did. He wouldn’t have played in that same game against that same team in that same play where the injury occurred, after all.

Maybe Karlsson would have hit the ground running, after returning, if Methot was still his partner. Maybe he would have formed instant chemistry with Duchene. Maybe we would have gone on another run.

You can’t go back in time and change one thing but have everything else stay the same. That’s not how time travel works.

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

We’re going back in time here.

If we go back in time and Methot stays, maybe he keeps up his regular routine of eating/training/living and never suffers the injury he did. He wouldn’t have played in that same game against that same team in that same play where the injury occurred, after all.

Maybe Karlsson would have hit the ground running, after returning, if Methot was still his partner. Maybe he would have formed instant chemistry with Duchene. Maybe we would have gone on another run.

You can’t go back in time and change one thing but have everything else stay the same. That’s not how time travel works.

 

[bert]

Perfect example of the Peter Principle. Dorion is a scout, not a manager. He might be good at identifying NHL players but he doesn't know how to build a team.

I dont believe he understands how to scout character or hockey sense. He has missed so badly on both of those over and over again. He has no character how could he possibly identify it. No matter what way he tries to spin the Debrincat deal he looks like an idiot. Basically admitted that the agent duped him. I do believe it because the agent probably knew this guy would never be in this position again. Otherwise and agent would never do something like that. Either way its the lack of respect he commanded that did him in over and over again. Also how does he know what a good room is like anyways.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

NEVER FORGET

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Dorion doing what he does best; self promotion.

 

[DJB]

Man good to see Dorion still lying and never taking any accountability .

Good riddance

 

[OgieO]

I think he was a good talent evaluator but simply couldn't handle the GM aspects of the job. Especially trading and rounding out the roster with the right people. He started to lose patience near the end when we CLEARLY should have been a team that prioritized drafting and developing. I understand the need to keep Brady happy, obviously that had to happen but he could have handled that so much better. He just had no ability to work with other GMs it seems and couldn't make smart moves to help the team short and long term other than via the draft.

But still... some really cool and insightful info in there.

 

[SPF6ty9]

Unless he is blacklisted from the league, I think he will get hired somewhere, just not in a GM or even AGM spot.

Someone like Dorion who has been connected to the league for 30 years is bound to have connections/friends in other organizations.

He is never going to be hired as a GM ever again, but I could see a team having a spot for him somewhere. He very clearly has one primary talent, amateur scouting.

Dorion gives off major Pierre McGuire vibes. I don't see how he could be blacklisted for anything, probably more just he's not as smart as he thinks he is and people don't enjoy being around or working with him.

If he gets a job in the NHL, it will probably be something like "go scout at rinks for 250 days/year and let's interact as little as possible".

 

[Masked]

Dorion gives off major Pierre McGuire vibes.

I think they are the flip side of each other. Dorion has some hockey knowledge but not people knowledge and is rather ineffective at speaking in public.

McGuire is a guy who made his way by fostering relationships with people *cough*Scotty Bowman*cough* and speaking like someone who knew what he was doing even though he's pretty much been out of his depth with every role he's had at the NHL level. He was excellent in the media until he started becoming a caricature of himself.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think he was a good talent evaluator but simply couldn't handle the GM aspects of the job. Especially trading and rounding out the roster with the right people. He started to lose patience near the end when we CLEARLY should have been a team that prioritized drafting and developing. I understand the need to keep Brady happy, obviously that had to happen but he could have handled that so much better. He just had no ability to work with other GMs it seems and couldn't make smart moves to help the team short and long term other than via the draft.

But still... some really cool and insightful info in there.

You don't risk ruining the rebuild by rushing it because you made a dumb promise to Brady Tkachuk. Nothing understandable about that.

Would have thought giving him the C and paying him 8.2M coming off a 52P/82GP season would have made him plenty happy.

That's Pierre Dorion to a tee though. Dude probably ran through the dressing room demanding high fives after getting DeBrincat.

Sought affirmation from his players and it backfired on the franchise in a big way.

 

[darude]

I think they are the flip side of each other. Dorion has some hockey knowledge but not people knowledge and is rather ineffective at speaking in public.

McGuire is a guy who made his way by fostering relationships with people *cough*Scotty Bowman*cough* and speaking like someone who knew what he was doing even though he's pretty much been out of his depth with every role he's had at the NHL level. He was excellent in the media until he started becoming a caricature of himself.

They both suffer from not knowing when to shut their yaps.

The media loved a Dorion interview because he'd always spill so many beans. If you wonder how the team kept getting fleeced in trades it's because every other team had pretty solid knowledge of how the guy thought.

 

[Laphroaig]

Pierre Dorion was a terrible GM but then again so were Mel Bridgman, Randy Sexton, Pierre Gauthier, Rick Dudlley, John Muckler and Bryan Murray. Marshall Johnston was a great GM. The jury's still out on Staois.