Management Dorion best moves

[JD1]

It has potential to be Yashin for Spezza part 2 in terms of what we get and where the other player trends while signed to an expensive contract.

A lot of that is hindsight though and it is dependent on Karlsson never being injury free again, which isn't a given. If you asked Dorion at the time of the deal if Norris would be one of the hottest NHL affiliated prospects in hockey and if the pick would be trending to the top 5 with a great shot at Lafreniere, if he is sane be would have laughed at you.

I disagree on the hindsight thing. Certainly things have gone our way, absolutely, but it's not all random luck and SJ's year isn't all related to key injuries, they were bad when those players were healthy.

Is Norris doing well? Absolutely. He's doing great. But down the road a bit "Mid first rounder becomes an NHL 1C". That's not uncommon. It's not uncommon at all. PD's alleged strength is amateur scouting. It's a legit outcome for a guy chosen in that slot. There are other legit outcomes, but becoming a 1C is one of them.

As we stand right now, in my mind every outcome from that trade was foreseeable and some of those outcomes had higher probabilities than others. All the individual outcomes are trending pretty positive for us, but none of those outcomes was remote either

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Senators’ Brannstrom, Abramov reflect on 2019 trade deadline blockbusters - Sportsnet.ca

Right in time

 

[GCK]

This is tough as there have been many solid moves but not too many have blown me away.

1. Chabot extension - getting him locked up a year out is the key. With the clubs financial frailty, the offer sheet talk would have overshadowed any good from this season.

2. Brassard trade to Pitt. This deal says a lot about Rutherford but to Dorion’s credit he made up for overpaying NYR by having Pitt overpay.

3. This will be very controversial because it wound up an epic fail. Duchene from Colorado. This was the first time I felt an Ottawa GM made a go for it trade. Yes the team tanked and we lost a top 5 pick but jeez it felt good to have a GM be aggressive rather than the safety first moves of Muckler and Murray.

NB: I left out the EK trade only because I did not see the value in the return at the time.

 

[BigTurk]

Not panicking in the 2018 draft and selecting BT7 4th overall

 

[MatchesMalone]

Don't think anyone has mentioned getting Burrows for a mediocre prospect at the 2017 deadline. Burrows' grit and experience deep in the playoffs were an important part of the run that year.

 

[GCK]

Don't think anyone has mentioned getting Burrows for a mediocre prospect at the 2017 deadline. Burrows' grit and experience deep in the playoffs were an important part of the run that year.

I can’t stand Burrows. With the slurs and biting. That was on my list of worst moves. It has nothing to do with the nothing prospect.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I can’t stand Burrows. With the slurs and biting. That was on my list of worst moves. It has nothing to do with the nothing prospect.

Ah. I grew up in BC. Canucks are my second favorite team and I've always loved Burrows. A lot of people hated that trade at the time and I defended it tooth and nails. Partly because of Burrows but also partly because people were embarrassingly over-rating Dahlen and the quality of Allsvenskan.

 

[Matsens15]

Dhalen will never play in the NHL.

 

[SanderSen]

Don't think anyone has mentioned getting Burrows for a mediocre prospect at the 2017 deadline. Burrows' grit and experience deep in the playoffs were an important part of the run that year.

LOL. Lots of folks screamed about that one and that Dahlen was the 2nd coming and a sure thing, even though he was playing 2nd tier Swedish hockey at the time.


I would like to give a nod to the hiring of D.J. Smith. The Leafs were not ready to turf Babcock when Dorion hired him but I bet they wish they had made that move. He may have been the Leafs Nick Nurse.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Don't think anyone has mentioned getting Burrows for a mediocre prospect at the 2017 deadline. Burrows' grit and experience deep in the playoffs were an important part of the run that year.

This is not a popular take on here, but I agree.

Burrows was good the year we got him and had some clutch plays, it was only after that he seemed to completely fall off leading to the buyout.

I always liked Burrows too. He was one of the few guys we had that was willing to take the punshment to stand in front of the net.

 

[Ice-Tray]

LOL. Lots of folks screamed about that one and that Dahlen was the 2nd coming and a sure thing, even though he was playing 2nd tier Swedish hockey at the time.


I would like to give a nod to the hiring of D.J. Smith. The Leafs were not ready to turf Babcock when Dorion hired him but I bet they wish they had made that move. He may have been the Leafs Nick Nurse.

Also like and agree with this post

 

[Agent Zub]

Not panicking in the 2018 draft and selecting BT7 4th overall

ive seen it a lot but picking Brady was the wrong move, maybe not terribly so but do you guys not see what Quinn Hughes is doing?

Arguably their best player in his rookie season and already the best defenceman they've likely ever had. would give Karlsson a run for his money if we got him.

 

[supsens]

ive seen it a lot but picking Brady was the wrong move, maybe not terribly so but do you guys not see what Quinn Hughes is doing?

Arguably their best player in his rookie season and already the best defenceman they've likely ever had. would give Karlsson a run for his money if we got him.

Any team can play that game two years after the draft. But he is an undersized PP specialist that doesn’t defend all that great. Can you think of the last team that won a cup that was lead by a small roaming Dman that plays like a forward?
He could turn out to be great but so far at even strength he trades goals one for one with the other team.
He will be paid like a super star even if he turns out to be a high event player that gets beat at the worst possible times.
But the reality is who cares? The Sens wanted a power forward for 15 years now they have one and he is a keeper

 

[MatchesMalone]

Even though it didn't turn out, targetting Columbus and getting the conditional 2020 first for Duchene was a very smart move. We knew Columbus was losing two key pieces in Panarin and Bobrovsky, so you had to think they'd be desperate to sign him, and that there was a chance the pick would be fairly high.

Jarmo wasn't falling for it though. I saw in his press conference at the start of the season when they asked about Duchene he admitted that the pick was a factor in not re-signing him. Also who would have thought this goaltending tandem of theirs would step up the way it has, so it wouldn't have been a high pick anyway. But the reasoning behind the trade was well thought out.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but trading Phaneuf and Thompson for Gaborik and Shore was decent. We saw Gaborik for the rest of that season then went on the LTIR for the rest of his career. Got out of Phaneufs deal easier than I thought. Leafs had to pay a 1st to have Marleau's 1 year 6M deal bought out. Phaneuf had 3 years left at 7M.

 

[GCK]

ive seen it a lot but picking Brady was the wrong move, maybe not terribly so but do you guys not see what Quinn Hughes is doing?

Arguably their best player in his rookie season and already the best defenceman they've likely ever had. would give Karlsson a run for his money if we got him.

That’s funny. Within a few years there will be a bunch of Quinn Hughes types in the league, it’s just the direction hockey has taken. Small offensive great skating D are in vogue. Tkachuk is a highly talented monster of a power forward, he is far far more unique.

 

[guyzeur]

I have one to add, it happened this morning but I can't remember the trade cause I was blinded by Dorion's genius!!!

 

[Matsens15]

Does the Pageau trade could find his way in Dorion’s best move?

 

[Micklebot]

Don't think anyone has mentioned getting Burrows for a mediocre prospect at the 2017 deadline. Burrows' grit and experience deep in the playoffs were an important part of the run that year.

I mean, burrows was so bad we bought him out. Where does that factor in?

 

[DJB]

Dhalen will never play in the NHL.

But..but...but I was told on here he was the next greatest Swedish prodigy! Dorion goofed that deal big time!!;

 

[Tuna99]

I mean, burrows was so bad we bought him out. Where does that factor in?

it does, but the compensation for to get Burrows was zero. Dorion sold high on Dahlen and should be credited for it, the contract was ugly but getting Burrows to even help make the playoffs and then to go on the run, wouldn't change it.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The problem was not in acquiring Burrows and giving up Dahlen.
It was extending Burrows. If the extension was necessary on the Burrows end.. should have moved on.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I mean, burrows was so bad we bought him out. Where does that factor in?

He was bad when we no longer needed him, because everyone all the way to EK was bad the following year.

He was good when we needed him, which is why we traded for him, the rest was the price we paid.

 

[Ice-Tray]

it does, but the compensation for to get Burrows was zero. Dorion sold high on Dahlen and should be credited for it, the contract was ugly but getting Burrows to even help make the playoffs and then to go on the run, wouldn't change it.

Attaboy, agreed!!

 

[Micklebot]

it does, but the compensation for to get Burrows was zero. Dorion sold high on Dahlen and should be credited for it, the contract was ugly but getting Burrows to even help make the playoffs and then to go on the run, wouldn't change it.

You could argue Vancouver sold high on Burrows and should be given credit for getting a lottery ticket in Dahlen and avoiding re-signing Burrows to a liability of a contract.

Good for Dorion on identifying Dahlen as expendable. I doubt people would credit him for getting good value had he traded his 1st (who looks like a potential bust himself) so i am not sure it's fair to claim we gave nothing of value since Dahlen has gone on to bust.

The issue is we traded something of debatable value (whether you think he was worth a late 1st, a 2nd, 3rd or all the way done to nothing isn't the point here) for a 5 dollar bill, and an invoice to pay 20 dollars. We got negative value in Burrows when all is said and done. If that's on your list of best trades you are in a heap of trouble. Ditch the extension and the deal is ok but nowhere near his best trades imo, and that's taking into account that Dahlen busted.