Don't like the direction the sens are headed

[QuattroFTW]

I'm pretty disappointed overall...

- Alfredsson leaves for a chance at a cup, but goes to a team that isn't any better
- Overpay for a leaf, of all things
- Overpay for Ryan. Win now, lose big later type of trade.
- Don't replace Gonchar at all.

Senators will do better this year but that's mostly because of Spezza/Karlsson being around.

I don't agree that we win now/lose later with Ryan. Are you expecting him to walk after his contract is up? I don't think that's going to be the case. As far as replacing Gonchar, BM has explicitly stated he wants to sign a D-man.

 

[Xspyrit]

I'm pretty disappointed overall...

- Alfredsson leaves for a chance at a cup, but goes to a team that isn't any better
- Overpay for a leaf, of all things
- Overpay for Ryan. Win now, lose big later type of trade.
- Don't replace Gonchar at all.

Senators will do better this year but that's mostly because of Spezza/Karlsson being around.

- True, but from a hockey standpoint only, Alfredsson is 41 y/o and declining/aging severely. Wish he could have retired instead of pulling this (IMO he should have)
- Overpay for MacArthur? 3.25 is not a lot for a guy who averaged 53 pts per 82 games the last 3 seasons... at least when you take the actual market in comparison
- Overpay for Ryan? Yes, if he walks after 2 years and we finish low in the standings next season, but otherwise, not at all. You have to give to get and Ryan is clearly the best player in the deal and should remain as the best by a fair margin. If we fail to extend him that's another story, but we control his destiny for now
- Well, off-season is not over and for now we will replace Gonchar by Wiercioch who should be as good offensively. PW is a lot younger (Gonch is 39 y/o!) and more mobile but it will be hard for him to match Gonchar defensively and in the experience factor. Let's see if BM can get another veteran D-man first.

Sure, point is - why didn't he want to sign with us? B/C he was convinced Detroit had a better shot at a cup. He was convinced... I would have liked BM and EM to CONVINCE Alfie the best place for him to be was Ottawa. Also, as a disclaimer, my previous points were after Alfie, but before Ryan (timelines are important for understanding events, yo)...

I would have liked so many things in life, but reality is a different beast than dreams. You do the best with the cards you hold, and that's what Murray did

I don't want to be the one crushing kids' dreams but you have to settle with reality at some point.

Agree with all points. And I also agree with the poster saying we should sign Blum and Brunner. Team would be set at that point.

I just don't think Ryan is the type of player we think we need and we paid way way too much to acquire him. I firmly believe Silfverberg will come very close to matching Ryan's goal totals within the next 2-3 years. Then who knows with Noesen and who knows about the 1st round pick.

lol wut?

Ryan is not the player we need? A power forward winger who scores 30 goals and 65 points each and every year on Anaheim's second line (Point totals could go up in Ottawa playing with Spezza on the 1st line)

We paid way too much? Silfverberg will become a 30 goals/65 pts forward? That remains to be seen...

We spend all this time acquiring picks and developing players just to turn around and throw 2 of them and a 1st rounder for 1 guy. A guy who is definitely "good" but not "great/elite." Poor asset management in my eyes and I don't say that often about Murray.

Yes and in fact it's great asset management to use those assets to upgrade your roster and acquire Elite talent... Those of us who follow the team very closely have hoped for that type of move for a long time.

If you think Ryan is just "good", then you clearly have no idea who he is. And he makes less than Clarkson

 

[kolider]

Yes and in fact it's great asset management to use those assets to upgrade your roster and acquire Elite talent... Those of us who follow the team very closely have hoped for that type of move for a long time.

If you think Ryan is just "good", then you clearly have no idea who he is. And he makes less than Clarkson

I watch the team extremely closely. I watch nearly every single Sens game and talk about them all the time. I am as much a fanatic as anybody else here.

The Sens made this type of move before. It was quite awhile ago and the player was a huge difference-maker in terms of goal production. He was our 1st line winger and played amazing for a few seasons. He then turned tail and ran out of town. The player we gave up was a good player who continued to produce and actually got better as the years went on. We drafted and developed that player too.

You can obviously guess who I am talking about but you cannot deny the similarities are there.

I really hope Murray is right on this one. I think we dodged a bullet on Clarkson only to turn around and potentially catch another with this trade.

 

[We Want the Cup 2010]

I watch the team extremely closely. I watch nearly every single Sens game and talk about them all the time. I am as much a fanatic as anybody else here.

The Sens made this type of move before. It was quite awhile ago and the player was a huge difference-maker in terms of goal production. He was our 1st line winger and played amazing for a few seasons. He then turned tail and ran out of town. The player we gave up was a good player who continued to produce and actually got better as the years went on. We drafted and developed that player too.

You can obviously guess who I am talking about but you cannot deny the similarities are there.

I really hope Murray is right on this one. I think we dodged a bullet on Clarkson only to turn around and potentially catch another with this trade.

I think your opinion will change when you actually watch Bobby Ryan play. They guy has a lot more rounded game than Heatley, he hits, cycles, and has more finesse than him as well. Heatley had an unbelievable shot, and was a pure sniper. Ryan can dangle and can manufacture goals on his own, something Heatley had trouble with.

Also, you are comparing Silfverberg to Hossa. Silf will be missed and should have a great career, but is a longshot to be the type of player Hossa or Ryan is. These are all-star type players. There is a difference in talent. You should be happy that Ottawa got the best player in a mega deal that don't come around very often. There are 29 jealous NHL teams out there wishing they were the ones getting Bobby Ryan.

 

[Xspyrit]

I watch the team extremely closely. I watch nearly every single Sens game and talk about them all the time. I am as much a fanatic as anybody else here.

The Sens made this type of move before. It was quite awhile ago and the player was a huge difference-maker in terms of goal production. He was our 1st line winger and played amazing for a few seasons. He then turned tail and ran out of town. The player we gave up was a good player who continued to produce and actually got better as the years went on. We drafted and developed that player too.

You can obviously guess who I am talking about but you cannot deny the similarities are there.

I really hope Murray is right on this one. I think we dodged a bullet on Clarkson only to turn around and potentially catch another with this trade.

Difference is Heatley ran himself out of town and already had a big baggage to carry (car accident tragedy). On top of that, he had busted knees and body in general. He never became the player he could have (mainly lost speed) even if he produced like crazy for a few years. Look at him now... Ryan doesn't have the same kind of history. Probably a big difference in character and selfishness too

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

Since when did people start comparing Silfverberg to Hossa? That comparison has never once entered my mind.

 

[Xspyrit]

Posted this in another thread but there's only 2 posts in it. I have done a little exercise

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) / Cory Conacher ($0.925m)
Erik Condra ($1.000m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Matt Kassian ($0.575m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.638m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($1.000m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Eric Gryba ($0.563m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
OTHER
Buyout: Bobby Butler ($0.200m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,650,833; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $11,924,167

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Here's an idea of what we could have in terms of production. I have averaged their production over the last 3 seasons (and for younger players in their short NHL careers). So, that's the number of points produced by 82 games in ()

Michalek (53) - Spezza (81) - Ryan (64)
MacArthur (53) - Turris (41) - Zibanejad (34)
Greening (37) - Pageau (36) - Conacher (51)
Condra (25) - Smith (22) - Neil (23)
Kassian (6)

Methot (16) - Karlsson (65)
Cowen (17) - Wiercioch (34)
Phillips (16) - Gryba (15)
Borowiecki (N/A)


Notes :

* Turris production reflects some his time in Phoenix, he has a better ratio in Ottawa (49)
** Methot's production could be a lot better than his numbers in Columbus, playing a full year with Karlsson
*** Most young guys have a lot of place to grow, particularly Zibanejad, Turris, Cowen, Wiercioch and Pageau

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Posted this in another thread but there's only 2 posts in it. I have done a little exercise

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) / Cory Conacher ($0.925m)
Erik Condra ($1.000m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Matt Kassian ($0.575m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.638m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($1.000m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Eric Gryba ($0.563m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
OTHER
Buyout: Bobby Butler ($0.200m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,650,833; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $11,924,167

================================================== ===

Here's an idea of what we could have in terms of production. I have averaged their production over the last 3 seasons (and for younger players in their short NHL careers). So, that's the number of points produced by 82 games in ()

Michalek (53) - Spezza (81) - Ryan (64)
MacArthur (53) - Turris (41) - Zibanejad (34)
Greening (37) - Pageau (36) - Conacher (51)
Condra (25) - Smith (22) - Neil (23)
Kassian (6)

Methot (16) - Karlsson (65)
Cowen (17) - Wiercioch (34)
Phillips (16) - Gryba (15)
Borowiecki (N/A)


Notes :

* Turris production reflects some his time in Phoenix, he has a better ratio in Ottawa (49)
** Methot's production could be a lot better than his numbers in Columbus, playing a full year with Karlsson
*** Most young guys have a lot of place to grow, particularly Zibanejad, Turris, Cowen, Wiercioch and Pageau

.... wheres anderson's and lehners points ?....

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Jeez our forward core is incredibly inexperienced/young. Neil is the only guy over 31 and he isn't a real impact player anyways. In fact we only have 4 guys over 30 on our roster....Spezza better grab this leadership thing by the horns.

 

[John Holmes*]

Ryan is the player we've always needed and never had.

 

[Legend Killer]

Ryan is the player we've always needed and never had.

Exactly... If getting Ryan meant we lost Alfie then we are better off for it..

Both would have been nice but we arent a cap team