Management Don Sweeney

[UncleRico]

1971.

Beliveau (39) and Richard (34).

So you have to go back 52 years to find one example. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for keeping two top 6 centers in their mid 30s around.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

So you have to go back 52 years to find one example. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for keeping two top 6 centers in their mid 30s around.

You asked a question, I gave you the answer.

When's the last time a team won the Cup alternating goalies? Yet you advocated for that, correct?

 

[UncleRico]

You asked a question, I gave you the answer.

And I appreciate the answer, just pointing out how it proves it’s not a very good endorsement for keeping two centers around in their mid 30s.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

And I appreciate the answer, just pointing out how it proves it’s not a very good endorsement for keeping two centers around in their mid 30s.

How many teams made it to Game 7 of the SCF with two centers in their mid-30s?

 

[UncleRico]

How many teams made it to Game 7 of the SCF with two centers in their mid-30s?

Who cares? Is the goal to just make the SCF. Is that really where we are at?

If so that’s an embarrassment.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

How many teams made it to Game 7 of the SCF with two centers in their mid-30s?

I guess Pittsburgh is being really foolish hanging on to Crosby and Malkin.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Who cares? Is the goal to just make the SCF. Is that really where we are at?

If so that’s an embarrassment.

Lol ok. Right.

 

[UncleRico]

I guess Pittsburgh is being really foolish hanging on to Crosby and Malkin.

Yes they are. Or at least foolish for not finding a successor to give them a reduced role.

As you can see they are getting older and getting worse and finally fell out of a playoff spot.

That team is cashed as well. How is that even a debate?

 

[McGarnagle]

The top 10 playoff scorers on the 2002 Red Wings were all 29 years old or older. Top two centers were Yzerman (36) and Fedorov (32). They're the best old team I can find.

Then again, that was 21 years ago.

 

[UncleRico]

So we have the 1971 canadiens and almost the 2002 red wings.

We are looking at one anomaly from 52 years ago in a very different and smaller league. Detroit comes close.

So why would Don Sweeney or any organization for that matter who actually wants to win a cup go with a business model that is destined to fail based on history.

Idk how the penguins got thrown in here, but if we want to talk about terrible business models. The penguins four largest AAV contracts belong to Crosby, malkin, letang, and Petry. All 35+ years of age and the team is progressively getting worse and just missed the playoffs.

Hanging onto old players in prominent roles is bad business.

 

[TCB]

So you have to go back 52 years to find one example. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for keeping two top 6 centers in their mid 30s around.

??? I think @Dennis Bonvie facts maybe a little tainted.

All though that Habs teams had two centers older than 34 they also had 24 yr old Peter Mahovlich and his 35 goals centering the 2nd line and at times 25 yr old Jacques Lemaire and his 28 goals would step in as well, good enough for 13 and 15th in the league respectively. Richard and his 12 helpers was still very effective but those habs team had two very good top young centers In Mahovlich and Lemaire, along with Beliveau and Richard. Big difference !!

 

[UncleRico]

???
All though that Habs teams had two centers older than 34 they also had 24 yr old Peter Mahovlich and his 35 goals centering the 2nd line and at times 25 yr old Jacques Lemaire and his 28 goals would step in as well, good enough for 13 and 15th in the league respectively. Richard and his 12 helpers was still very effective but those habs team had two very good top young centers In Mahovlich and Lemaire, along with Beliveau and Richard. Big difference !!

True, but it’s close enough where we will give the benefit of the doubt that there was 1 team that did it.

It’s still a failed model regardless. If teams are hanging their hat on “well the 1971 Montreal canadiens did it” then they are doomed from the start.

 

[JOKER 192]

The more I play Arm Chair GM the more I"m convinced that this is hopeless and they need to blow it up. Your depth will be to weak to compete beyond just sneaking in to the PO's and a 1st round exit or just missing the PO's all together. Besides I have lost a faith in this core anyways.
What better year to cash in for 1st rounders with a stacked draft like this one.

 

[TCB]

True, but it’s close enough where we will give the benefit of the doubt that there was 1 team that did it.

It’s still a failed model regardless. If teams are hanging their hat on “well the 1971 Montreal canadiens did it” then they are doomed from the start.

Huge difference though when your talking about elite players in Mahavlich and lemaire in their prime taking up valuable productive minutes.

 

[badbrewin]

The more I play Arm Chair GM the more I"m convinced that this is hopeless and they need to blow it up. Your depth will be to weak to compete beyond just sneaking in to the PO's and a 1st round exit or just missing the PO's all together. Besides I have lost a faith in this core anyways.
What better year to cash in for 1st rounders with a stacked draft like this one.

Been saying they should rebuild for 2 years now and agree 100% about sucking it up and facing reality. Factor in thay they have what, the 28th ranked prospect pool? The B's will get left in the dust by the Sabres, Habs, Devils, Wings, Rangers soon enough and these annual patch jobs will just be diversions from reality.

Still remember the year they bit the bullet by trading Oates, Tocchet, Ranford for Allison and Carter. 97-98 was one of the most enjoyable seasons I can recall because the expectations were so low.

Clean house, get some picks and and be patient...that's where they're at.

 

[LouJersey]

How many teams made it to Game 7 of the SCF with two centers in their mid-30s?

They were both 33. That's "mid-30's?"

The last geezers to make a cup I think were the Sharks w Thornton and Marleau.

 

[Over the volcano]

Been saying they should rebuild for 2 years now and agree 100% about sucking it up and facing reality. Factor in thay they have what, the 28th ranked prospect pool? The B's will get left in the dust by the Sabres, Habs, Devils, Wings, Rangers soon enough and these annual patch jobs will just be diversions from reality.

Still remember the year they bit the bullet by trading Oates, Tocchet, Ranford for Allison and Carter. 97-98 was one of the most enjoyable seasons I can recall because the expectations were so low.

Clean house, get some picks and and be patient...that's where they're at.

Reality is that people have been saying this every off season for at least 5 years now.

Eventually it will come true like a broken clock - but will remain true probably just as long.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

They were both 33. That's "mid-30's?"

The last geezers to make a cup I think were the Sharks w Thornton and Marleau.

Well, Krejci was 34 for the playoffs and Bergy was 33 and 10 months so if you round up…but the point is a distinction without a difference in response to Rico’s victory parade he’s throwing himself.

 

[UncleRico]

Well, Krejci was 34 for the playoffs and Bergy was 33 and 10 months so if you round up…but the point is a distinction without a difference in response to Rico’s victory parade he’s throwing himself.

Yes and that should have been their last year.

After that they were going into their age 35 and 34 seasons(heading into the 2020-2021 season). The last team to win with two top 6 centers of that age was the 1971 Montreal canadiens.

We are talking about a feat that hasn’t been done in over 50 years. Yet the bruins have been trying to defy all odds on a model that throughout NHL history has been destined to fail. Yet they keep trying to do it year after year.

This isnt a winning formula and that canadien team was an anomaly not a blueprint to follow.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Yes and that should have been their last year.

After that they were going into their age 35 and 34 seasons(heading into the 2020-2021 season). The last team to win with two top 6 centers of that age was the 1971 Montreal canadiens.

We are talking about a feat that hasn’t been done in over 50 years. Yet the bruins have been trying to defy all odds on a model that throughout NHL history has been destined to fail. Yet they keep trying to do it year after year.

This isnt a winning formula and that canadien team was an anomaly not a blueprint to follow.

Ok

 

[Babajingo]

Been saying they should rebuild for 2 years now and agree 100% about sucking it up and facing reality. Factor in thay they have what, the 28th ranked prospect pool? The B's will get left in the dust by the Sabres, Habs, Devils, Wings, Rangers soon enough and these annual patch jobs will just be diversions from reality.

Still remember the year they bit the bullet by trading Oates, Tocchet, Ranford for Allison and Carter. 97-98 was one of the most enjoyable seasons I can recall because the expectations were so low.

Clean house, get some picks and and be patient...that's where they're at.

But didn't you hear? Mr Burns says the Bruins fans don't want to go through a rebuild.
Funny thing is almost every Bruins fan I know, is ok with it.

Reality is that the Bruins are going to tread water, be a 6, 7, 8 seed and maybe win a round or two for years to come.

 

[Therick67]

JJ doesn't want a rebuild, because he doesn't want to miss out on the cash..

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

??? I think @Dennis Bonvie facts maybe a little tainted.

All though that Habs teams had two centers older than 34 they also had 24 yr old Peter Mahovlich and his 35 goals centering the 2nd line and at times 25 yr old Jacques Lemaire and his 28 goals would step in as well, good enough for 13 and 15th in the league respectively. Richard and his 12 helpers was still very effective but those habs team had two very good top young centers In Mahovlich and Lemaire, along with Beliveau and Richard. Big difference !!

Good points.

But Richard and Beliveau led all their forwards in assists during the regular season.

And during the playoffs Richard played a larger role defensively.

Of course, my facts are also tainted because Beliveau, Richard and Lemaire are all Hall of Famers. Along with 5 other HOF's. And though Peter Mahovlich isn't in the Hall, big brother Frank is and he led that 1971 team in scoring in the playoff.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Reality is that people have been saying this every off season for at least 5 years now.

Eventually it will come true like a broken clock - but will remain true probably just as long.

Right.

And one year they went to the finals and in another they had the best record of any team in NHL history.

 

[Patdud]

I guess Pittsburgh is being really foolish hanging on to Crosby and Malkin.

yea, they didn't even make the playoffs