Management Don Sweeney extended 2 years

[ODAAT]

you really think so? Maybe with the same crowd ok with regular season success and excuses for the playoff exits, but i think it would be received very similarly to how they're received now

carolina is an anomaly, they receive way lower criticism than they deserve, seemingly the only team that gets away with it


The only way the bruins would get a pass for only making it to the ecf multiple times and getting their shit pushed in each time is if they were not even expected to make it that far to begin with

I think people would have been similarly upset with that record setting team if they had been swept in the ECF vs losing a really close series to the team that went to the finals from the east.

it also brings into question the difference between a team losing game 7 of semi finals vs getting swept in the ECF...there really isn't much of a difference, so why would we give a pass to a team that got just one more win than another?

I think the measure is how each series goes when you fall short of a SC

excellent post, spot on. Feels like almost every year, Canes do the same thing, have solid regular seasons, come playoff time, don`t have the horses nor the system, a coach who can make in game adjustments to get them over the hump. Only one winner every year, not easy to take it all but fans on this board would be losing their minds if the B`s did this

Been on this board a while now, I know the fans here, they`d be shitting on the Jacobs, calling them cheap SOB`s in spite of spending to the cap every year, blaming the 2015 draft for the DNQ in the 2006/07 season

 

[Dr Hook]

the two year extension speaks volumes, not that highly thought of anymore it would seem.

It seems about right to me since he is already under contract for the coming season. They obviously think well enough of him still to renew him as that gives him 3 more seasons. It feels to me like one last kick at the can for the guy to see the retool through and if it doesn't go well, he is gone. By the end of year 3, if not before, we'll know how well he did with things, and if the Bruins aren't solidly back into the playoff picture and moving in the right direction he's gone. And hey, they can always sack him sooner if he botches it.

 

[PB37]

If the rumors are true and the Bruins are hiring Sturm as the next head coach, Sweeney is really putting himself out on a limb trusting someone with no NHL head coaching experience. He has to know this is the last bullet in the chamber before he himself faces the firing squad.

 

[DKH]

If the rumors are true and the Bruins are hiring Sturm as the next head coach, Sweeney is really putting himself out on a limb trusting someone with no NHL head coaching experience. He has to know this is the last bullet in the chamber before he himself faces the firing squad.

I don’t see any risk at all here - he’s played 800 NHL, was a 4 year too assistant NHL coach, was head AHL coach 3 years, has a reputation here as smart and high hockey IQ, he coached Germany fo an Olympic silver medal

A gold medal coaching for Germany is way way way more impressive and important than a Stanley Cup as a coach.

I liked him when the Sharks drafted him and I haven’t been disappointed yet

Everyone tells me how great in my travels yet I get blank stares when I tell them Love loooooooves not letting the other team not score. His main issue with me is he’s a defensive minded coach - don’t let the other team score

Give me Sturm 24/7

 

[DaaaaB's]

If the rumors are true and the Bruins are hiring Sturm as the next head coach, Sweeney is really putting himself out on a limb trusting someone with no NHL head coaching experience. He has to know this is the last bullet in the chamber before he himself faces the firing squad.

I think hiring a guy lik Torts or Laviolette would be just as risky or perhaps more.

 

[GordonHowe]

You already want to build a statue of Sweeney, no? Imagine if he did what Carolina did the past 7 seasons? Guy has been past round 2 once in a decade and you act like it's crime against the church to want him replaced.

Sanctum sanctorum.

 

[Montecristo]

I've been banging the drums on this trade it for rossi and Minnesota 2nd. I think that's fair.

I think there is 0 chance cam neely or sweeney trades #7 for a 5-9 player.

2016- frederic-BIG (borderline bust)
2017- vaakananien-bIG (asset managed)
2019- beecher- BIG (bust)
2020- lohrei- HUGE (maybe not a bust!)
2021- (we hear you we need speed and skill size isnt everything) lysell- small (BUST! NEVER AGAIN WITH SMALL, ALWAYS MUST GO BIG)
2024- letourneau- GIANT (i mean..its too early to say but..)

Clearly they want their team to be big ideally. Not small. Just because everyone they take usually doesnt work doesnt mean they dont have an idea for what they want. And it isnt 5-9

 

[The don godfather]

I think there is 0 chance cam neely or sweeney trades #7 for a 5-9 player.

2016- frederic-BIG (borderline bust)
2017- vaakananien-bIG (asset managed)
2019- beecher- BIG (bust)
2020- lohrei- HUGE (maybe not a bust!)
2021- (we hear you we need speed and skill size isnt everything) lysell- small (BUST! NEVER AGAIN WITH SMALL, ALWAYS MUST GO BIG)
2024- letourneau- GIANT (i mean..its too early to say but..)

Clearly they want their team to be big ideally. Not small. Just because everyone they take usually doesnt work doesnt mean they dont have an idea for what they want. And it isnt 5-9

Marner is a little guy and now probably is gonna get paid top 5 in league. I want skill skill and more skill this team has a putrid scoring punch. Rossi put up 60 points age 23. We haven't seen his top yet.

 

[Montecristo]

Marner is a little guy and now probably is gonna get paid top 5 in league. I want skill skill and more skill this team has a putrid scoring punch. Rossi put up 60 points age 23. We haven't seen his top yet.

Do you think sweeney and neely think that way?

 

[The don godfather]

Do you think sweeney and neely think that way?

They better or else they will be out. No scoring means no playoffs. A putrid powerplay killed this team all year. If they cant get a solid top 9 in order in terms of scoring punch they will be shown the door.

 

[Montecristo]

They better or else they will be out. No scoring means no playoffs. A putrid powerplay killed this team all year. If they cant get a solid top 9 in order in terms of scoring punch they will be shown the door.

The powerplay id argue has been putrid since they let 5-9 krug walk

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think there is 0 chance cam neely or sweeney trades #7 for a 5-9 player.

2016- frederic-BIG (borderline bust)
2017- vaakananien-bIG (asset managed)
2019- beecher- BIG (bust)
2020- lohrei- HUGE (maybe not a bust!)
2021- (we hear you we need speed and skill size isnt everything) lysell- small (BUST! NEVER AGAIN WITH SMALL, ALWAYS MUST GO BIG)
2024- letourneau- GIANT (i mean..its too early to say but..)

Clearly they want their team to be big ideally. Not small. Just because everyone they take usually doesnt work doesnt mean they dont have an idea for what they want. And it isnt 5-9

Calling Frederic a borderline bust is just silly

 

[UncleRico]

Another way to look at those picks...

2016- frederic- good skater (hit)
2017- vaakananien-great skater (hit)
2019- beecher- great skater (hit)
2020- lohrei- skilled (hit)
2021- lysell- skilled and great skater (was on track but had a setback last yr)
2022- poitras- skilled (hit)
2023- no 1st or 2nd
2024- letourneau- skilled and great skater (too early)

What exactly makes Vaak and Beecher hits? Because they played actual nhl games?

They are dime a dozen replacement level players. Idk if that’s a hit

 

[JoeIsAStud]

What exactly makes Vaak and Beecher hits? Because they played actual nhl games?

They are dime a dozen replacement level players. Idk if that’s a hit

Beecher has already played more games at the NHL level than 55% of 30th picks in the NHL draft. So he has been at least a single as a player, and likely will never be more than a single, even if he ends up playing another 2+ years which would make him more successful than 75% of 30th picks

Vaak on the other hand is 9 years into his career and still hasn't made his 50% expectation for a 17th pick, which is somewhere just over 300 games. So good chance he doesn't make it. he Bruins did recoup some value an dealing him, so I would call it more the ground out advancing a runner in the baseball POV, I can't get to hit

 

[KnightofBoston]

Calling Frederic a borderline bust is just silly

Same with Lorhei’s tag, he’s a fourth rounder that just scored 33 points in his first fullish NHL season

And idk how you can call Lysell a bust after watching him down the stretch this season

 

[I am Bettman]

Same with Lorhei’s tag, he’s a fourth rounder that just scored 33 points in his first fullish NHL season

And idk how you can call Lysell a bust after watching him down the stretch this season

Yeah as long as Lysell doesn’t get broken mentally by Bruins management, he will be a good nhler somewhere.

 

[since76]

Why is that? Wasn’t Geekie - Zacha - Pastrnak one of the highest producing lines in the league when they were together?

The problem is the deep abyss after them , so deep there is no
Light

 

[Montecristo]

Same with Lorhei’s tag, he’s a fourth rounder that just scored 33 points in his first fullish NHL season

And idk how you can call Lysell a bust after watching him down the stretch this season

Lohrei is a 2nd rounder i thought

 

[KnightofBoston]

Lohrei is a 2nd rounder i thought

You’re right

Can’t remember who I was thinking of, Heinen maybe

2nd and where he’s at is still far from bust status

 

[Montecristo]

You’re right

Can’t remember who I was thinking of, Heinen maybe

2nd and where he’s at is still far from bust status

So i guess bust is strong, i dont think i said bust. Either way if they arent big time cornerstone pieces, they arent a truly successful 1st round pick in my opinion. If they are just a replacement level 3-4 million dollar player, they should be considered a disappointment as a 1st round pick. I also understand that late in the 1st round is different than the top 10. But just because a player performs well in comparison to historical data about his specific pick number, doesnt mean he can’t be looked at as a disappointment. Its just maybe a place in the draft where disappointment is more likely. I really dont want the bruins to pick a disappointment with the 7th pick. Id much prefer them to take an impact cornerstone player. I dont want another guy who ends up a 3rd or 4th line 30-40 point forward

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

So i guess bust is strong, i dont think i said bust. Either way if they arent big time cornerstone pieces, they arent a truly successful 1st round pick in my opinion. If they are just a replacement level 3-4 million dollar player, they should be considered a disappointment as a 1st round pick. I also understand that late in the 1st round is different than the top 10. But just because a player performs well in comparison to historical data about his specific pick number, doesnt mean he can’t be looked at as a disappointment. Its just maybe a place in the draft where disappointment is more likely. I really dont want the bruins to pick a disappointment with the 7th pick. Id much prefer them to take an impact cornerstone player. I dont want another guy who ends up a 3rd or 4th line 30-40 point forward

If you get a $3-$4M player in the 30s (which is not a replacement level player at all) that’s a huge win, regardless of your own higher hopes for what one can expect to get from that slot.

 

[KnightofBoston]

So i guess bust is strong, i dont think i said bust. Either way if they arent big time cornerstone pieces, they arent a truly successful 1st round pick in my opinion. If they are just a replacement level 3-4 million dollar player, they should be considered a disappointment as a 1st round pick. I also understand that late in the 1st round is different than the top 10. But just because a player performs well in comparison to historical data about his specific pick number, doesnt mean he can’t be looked at as a disappointment. Its just maybe a place in the draft where disappointment is more likely. I really dont want the bruins to pick a disappointment with the 7th pick. Id much prefer them to take an impact cornerstone player. I dont want another guy who ends up a 3rd or 4th line 30-40 point forward

If you go back and look at some of the drafts, you’ll always see guys you could have taken but more importantly why certain players were picked where they were and when

Take Beecher for example, several guys taken ahead of him have had significantly less successful careers thus far, and there aren’t that many guys taken after that are stand out better

Pinto being the most obvious (unsure if bruins even scouted him or interviewed him)

But Beecher looked like he could be a solid NHL player and had a decent freshman season, covid and injuries derailed his progress more so than anything else, when there are specific offensive skills you could work on season to season, it’s hard to do so when you can’t play and then get injured when play does start up again. It leaves you in a situation where you’re having to play catch up *and* adjust to the NHL.


Sure it would be great to have a guy like Knies instead of Lysell, but Lysell was touted as a top 5 pick before he fell, and was seen as a perfect skater with a lethal shot and ability to find teammates through layers. He can still find that mojo and progress


Tough to judge these 18 year olds.

The one thing that seems to stand out, at least for guys that go higher in the draft, is family pedigree, a reason I feel pretty strongly about Eklund if all the good centers are taken

 

[LJReborn]

If you go back and look at some of the drafts, you’ll always see guys you could have taken but more importantly why certain players were picked where they were and when

Take Beecher for example, several guys taken ahead of him have had significantly less successful careers thus far, and there aren’t that many guys taken after that are stand out better

Pinto being the most obvious (unsure if bruins even scouted him or interviewed him)

But Beecher looked like he could be a solid NHL player and had a decent freshman season, covid and injuries derailed his progress more so than anything else, when there are specific offensive skills you could work on season to season, it’s hard to do so when you can’t play and then get injured when play does start up again. It leaves you in a situation where you’re having to play catch up *and* adjust to the NHL.


Sure it would be great to have a guy like Knies instead of Lysell, but Lysell was touted as a top 5 pick before he fell, and was seen as a perfect skater with a lethal shot and ability to find teammates through layers. He can still find that mojo and progress


Tough to judge these 18 year olds.

The one thing that seems to stand out, at least for guys that go higher in the draft, is family pedigree, a reason I feel pretty strongly about Eklund if all the good centers are taken

Other than the 3 back to back to back picks it's hard to kill teams for passing a guy when they have one pick.

I wanted Cameron Morrison over Frederic. I wanted Vesalainen over Vaak. Kaliyev over Beecher. Prefered Ian Moore over Lohrei. Perron over Pelosi. I wanted Letourneau over Greentree, Not easy when you get one shot.

In my defense my picks from 2003 to 2015 were elite!