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Ovechkin scored 119 EVG in his first 280 GP.
That 120th goal must have been one hell of a goal if it alone puts Matthews on a tier above Ovi.
Does Ovechkin win the Rocket next year?
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Ovechkin scored 119 EVG in his first 280 GP.
That 120th goal must have been one hell of a goal if it alone puts Matthews on a tier above Ovi.
Plus does it even matter if you play in the highest scoring year when Ovi himself scored more goals and had more points then the 2nd and 3rd top point getters on the team combined?
Ovechkin and Crosby rookie years were so special in my eyes for the fact they did it without help and was easily the most exciting year for rookies ive ever seen
Killer Orcas
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Just give certain team's players the Pace Award and let others actually win awards. As per Ovechkin, he's certainly an early favourite to win again.
DitchMarner
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lmao... no, he isn't.
I'm a Leafs fan... but just no.
Ovechkin was simply more of a force. The guy won the Pearson Award three years in a row. Matthews hasn't finished in the top five in points or PPG in his career.
Varan
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2005/06 - rookie (plus Cheechoo had a fluke season)
06/07 - sophomore slump
07/08 - became MVP and destroyed the NHL
08/09 - won
09/10 - lost solely due to games played
10/11 - worst season to date + shot 8%
11/12 - dale hunter taking away minutes from OV and forcing him to play a more defensive role
His losses (before and after him peaking) were due to being a rookie + down seasons, and coaching
Alexander the Gr8
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That’s such a cherry picked stat lol.
How about at 220 games played? Why not 260? Why ES only?
At the same number of games played as Matthews right now, Ovechkin had way more goals. You know, pucks entering the net. All of that on a shit Washington team that couldn’t sniff the playoffs at all, with 3rd liners playing alongside him.
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This poster is straight up claiming that Auston Matthews is the greatest goal scorer of all time, why even bother LMAO
The guy with zero rockets is a better goal scorer than the guy with 9 rockets who is still winning it on an annual basis?
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Varan
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23 year old Ovechkin would be hitting 70 plus in this high scoring era we have entered. It wouldn’t be fair having him in the league
Ovi is the only acceptable one because it's the one I use.
To the poll question though I'm taking the field as Ovi is 35 going into next season and the rest of his game aside form goals is going to put his usage rates down if the coach wants to keep his job IMO.
McDavidCrushedLarkin
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Matthews has a hope once Ovechkin retires. Until then hes out of his league.
Varan
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LOLOvi is the only acceptable one because it's the one I use.
To the poll question though I'm taking the field as Ovi is 35 going into next season and the rest of his game aside form goals is going to put his usage rates down if the coach wants to keep his job IMO.
If OV keeps scoring at his usual rate, the coach will keep his job
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also in addition to the whole higher scoring league thing being factually incorrect that stat is cherrypicked to the point of ridiculousness as well
from the whole even strength only aspect to the randomness of the numbers to the fact that Ovechkin literally put up 119 even strength goals in his first 280 games
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I don't know about that. Peak Ovechkin isn't all that much a better goal-scorer than current Ovechkin. Peak Ovechkin was a much better overall player, with better overall offense, hits, etc. But 70+ goals in todays league is a ton. Ovechkin had the one year at 65 goals, and beyond that only once in his whole career scored more than 53. Insanely consistent goal-scoring prime? Absolutely. But super high goal-scoring peak? That's not really his thing.
Maybe Ovechkin "perfect storms" into a season of ~70 goals in today's league, since he did score 65, but I don't think that's a given. And I also think that's probably near the top end, i wouldn't say 70+.
Reason why I like Matthews so far is that he's comparable to Ovi. Maybe he'll have an insane peak, maybe not - but it's really his consistency year to year in goals so far that impresses me. Clearly I'm not saying he's as good as prime Ovi - just in the same mold. A player like Laine in comparison - i don't see him ever having that consistency - he might have a high peak, than low years. But I find consistency particularly impressive, and also more predictable.
There's a lot of good reasons to bet against him.
1. He's older 35 is actually quite old for a hockey player. That's gotta catch up at some point.
2. The long layoff/different schedule. An optimist will say "at his age, that'll help him be refreshed and come back stronger". A pessimist will say "at his age, that'll completely mess him up and affect him negatively". Reality is, who knows, but it could go either way and is unpredictable. I think it's less a factor for younger guys, positive or negative.
3. The competition. Matthews is a really good goal-scorer, and consistent. Pastrnak too. Drai just had a historic season - and we know he can score goals. McDavid is talented enough to win a rocket. Laine still has the talent to explode. Etc. There's been many seasons in Ovi's career where competition didn't seem too high for goal-scoring, but this is arguably the highest it's ever been.
There's many reasons to bet on him too - I'm just saying it's not a given.
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I think he has like 20-25% of chance in that.
I'm expecting 30-35 goals from him, in a full 82 game season.
I think he has like 20-25% of chance in that.
I'm expecting 30-35 goals from him, in a full 82 game season.
Varan
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His full game average during his peak was 60 goals/season, in a much lower scoring era with much bigger defenceman compared to the tiny skilled ones today. Scoring is about 10% up from those days, so him hitting 70 isn’t that crazy to think about
If you go by league averages - Ovi's 3 year peak vs the past 3 years, there's only a ~5% uptick in scoring, not 10%. Not that I think league averages is necessarily super representative, but it's what people usually use.
But again - even in his own "era" - Ovechkin scored 65 once, then 56 once and never above 53 after that. So it's not like at his "peak" he was churning out these ~60-65 goals years every year. Peak Ovechkin in today's league might hit ~70 in a perfect storm of a season (like 2008 was for him) - but I highly doubt he'd hit it consistently. He may also top out below 70.
Varan
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65 in 82
56 in 79 = 58 in 82
Before the Olympics (at his greatest) 42 in 53 = 65 in 82
He’s also had a stretch from March 2013 -December 2013 where he had 46 goals in 48 games. That doesn’t even make sense
So all I’m saying is that he is more than capable of scoring 70
Your initial post seemed to imply you thought he would definitely score 70+. Now you're saying - he's capable of it, as in, it's possible. I agree it's possible - I just think it's unlikely.
Give "peak Ovechkin" the chance to play a season in this era 50x? He tops 70 a few times, probably even tops 80 once or twice. But considering "peak" Ovi was mostly 3 years - odds of him hitting 70+ are quite low, but yes possible.
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You know that is utter nonsense. You've seen the adjusted stats a dozen times. You have no rational basis, just insults driven by emotions that frankly I cannot relate to.
