Does Callahan have one of the Worst Contracts in the NHL?

[TomasHertlsRooster]

I was so worried when the Sharks were trying to trade for him.

When HF fans turn on a player, it is a pretty reliable sign that that player is close to being done. When was the last time fans turned on a middle aged or older player, and they ended up doing well on a different team?

Callahan leaving the Rangers after fans turned on him is similar to Boyle joining the Rangers after Sharks fans turned on him. Now both of them have bad contracts.

 

[Brooklanders*]

So, you agree with the OP but go ahead with a bash session on the Rangers? Makes sense.

I don't know what all of you are so touchy about. Cally is having a crappy season....this is a fact. For a guy making his dough, you need points on the board to go along with the other stuff. It's not an indictment on the Lightning as a franchise....it's simply that he's having a bad year. Why are some of you so defensive about it?

PS: If you'd like to make a thread about the albatross Girardi has become, believe me, you won't find many people pointing fingers at other contracts on other teams and saying "Yeah, but...."

Just the facts, lads. Just the facts.

Can Cally rebound? Maybe. The style he plays though is not conducive to a long, productive career on the score sheet. I don't think anyone is saying that Cally isn't a nice piece to have, but at his price tag? Yeah. I'm glad the Rangers passed.

The original thread is asking a simple question.

So far I think Callahan has one of the worst contracts but so does Dan Girardi. I'm not sure who's is

worse. Lightning fan will say that Carle's is awful.

But I also see a cause and an effect.

Furthermore the original post comes off to me as a bash post.i sense some bitterness. Almost rejoicing that Ryan Callahan is failing to live up to expectations.

On a side note I'm saying Yzermans a much better GM than Sather.

My point is all GMs make good and bad moves.


If it was just Ryan Callahan having a bad year and bad contract then I would agree but the sound of the thread resonates an "i told you so vibe".

 

[Brooklanders*]

I didnt say he has the WORST contract. I saw one of the worst.

Yeah one of the worst like Dan Girardi or Brad Richards.

 

[The Macho Man]

He's overpaid for his production, but it doesn't really bother me. He does a lot of good things out there, and we don't rely on him for offense, so when it doesn't show up it isn't the end of the world.

Edit: And I really think he has had a positive impact on a lot of the younger guys and how they play. I've seen huge improvements in two-way play from guys like Killorn and JT Brown since he showed up. Brown is turning into a mini-Cally.

 

[tade]

Yeah, it's bad but especially the term is awful + NMC. On the Tampa, I think Matt Carle is worse. Callahan is still somehow effective player for TB, Carle is just a bad player on NHL level.

 

[Viqsi]

There are a number of contracts that we consider to be in the "only if you take back Clarkson" category - i.e. folks whose contracts are about as bad in cap hit, term, movement restrictions, and player productivity, but at least could be bought out someday or insured when LTIR hits or other things like that.

There is, however, only one contract that is in the "not even if you take back Clarkson" category. That is Dustin Brown. Because that contract lasts until 2022.

 

[Evergreen]

Since when is 14 points in 50 games 4th line production? How many 4th line guys rack up 23 points consistently every year? Also, Callahan is on the top PK unit, so judging him by his offensive numbers alone is unfair.

 

[The Macho Man]

Since when is 14 points in 50 games 4th line production? How many 4th line guys rack up 23 points consistently every year? Also, Callahan is on the top PK unit, so judging him by his offensive numbers alone is unfair.

This seems too apologetic. He makes almost 6 million a year - he's paid to produce offense. And the fact is he hasn't really done that well. That's a shame, but the other stuff he does - which is a lot - keeps the contract from being on the top of "we've got to move this pile."

The fact is, especially after next season when we have to re-sign Hedman, Johnson, and Palat, we'll have to look long and hard at whether or not that contract is something we can continue to stomach. But until then, I'm glad he's on the team.

 

[Brie]

It’s tough and I’m sure Callahan himself is the one who is the most unhappy with his production even if his teammates or the organization don’t seem to care since he is still doing everything else. He’s been extremely snake bitten this year since he’s had his chances but can’t seem to bury them, and that’s not just about missing the net (though he’s done that) some of his shots have required some damn good saves by the goalies, like Crawford’s goal line save last Thursday, however when he have scored goals and gotten points they have pretty much all been key once for the team to get points from the game and that’s something worth bring up. The hope is that things will turn around but at least, as many have said here, he’s very effective in other areas as well as having had a huge positive influence on a team that before he came to them was pretty much every definition of soft and you can’t discredit the influence he’s had on I’d say every young player he’s ever come in contact with on any team, since all you hear is what a great leader he is and how much influence he’s had on them.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I was so worried when the Sharks were trying to trade for him.

When HF fans turn on a player, it is a pretty reliable sign that that player is close to being done. When was the last time fans turned on a middle aged or older player, and they ended up doing well on a different team?

Callahan leaving the Rangers after fans turned on him is similar to Boyle joining the Rangers after Sharks fans turned on him. Now both of them have bad contracts.

Brad Richards when he was on NYR.

 

[gorangers0525]

I'm glad that Sather seems to have gotten this one right. Signing grinders on the wrong side of 30 seems like a guaranteed bad contract these days. Callahans always been drastically overrated defensively, unless for some reason you consider hits and blocked shots totals defensive stats. Used to be very good in the o-zone, at least until the playoffs, but it seems as if he's declining "Girardi" style.

 

[BPD]

This was Sather's masterstroke. Get Tampa to commit to Callahan, lull them into a false sense of security...then when Stamkos comes up for free agency...WHAM - Rangers.

Now all we need is an expansion draft to dump G.

 

[BPD]

It’s tough and I’m sure Callahan himself is the one who is the most unhappy with his production even if his teammates or the organization don’t seem to care since he is still doing everything else. He’s been extremely snake bitten this year since he’s had his chances but can’t seem to bury them, and that’s not just about missing the net (though he’s done that) some of his shots have required some damn good saves by the goalies, like Crawford’s goal line save last Thursday, however when he have scored goals and gotten points they have pretty much all been key once for the team to get points from the game and that’s something worth bring up. The hope is that things will turn around but at least, as many have said here, he’s very effective in other areas as well as having had a huge positive influence on a team that before he came to them was pretty much every definition of soft and you can’t discredit the influence he’s had on I’d say every young player he’s ever come in contact with on any team, since all you hear is what a great leader he is and how much influence he’s had on them.

I'd love to give you false hope, but the bolded statement is Ryan Callahan to a T. Chances galore, can't finish.

 

[aemoreira1981]

Can't be. Yzerman is infallible.

Every good GM has a dud or two.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Brooks Laich signed a 6 year 27 million dollar contract averaging 4.5 a year in 2011 and has produced 90 points since.

He's now a 4th line tweener.

Laich's contract is up next year so that takes him out of any "worst contract" lists, in my opinion. If he was signed for another 3-5 years it'd absolutely be one of the worst in the NHL.

 

[Roomtemperature]

This was Sather's masterstroke. Get Tampa to commit to Callahan, lull them into a false sense of security...then when Stamkos comes up for free agency...WHAM - Rangers.

Now all we need is an expansion draft to dump G.

Okay so what happens when Stamkos doesn't go to New York and you gave up two first rounders to dump the guy? Is it a masterstroke then?

 

[LightningStrikes]

Well he does a lot of things well, except scoring. You can see he's a big part of the team though, big hits, hustles, wears the "A" on his chest, and so on. IIRC he was listed among the three stars of the game a couple of times too. He had good numbers last year, this year not so much. Hopefully he'll figure it out soon. Is he overpaid for what he does? Today? Yes.

On the other hand he kinda reminds me of Ryan Malone during our playoff run to the ECF in 2011. Malone didn't have a lot of points all through out the playoffs but he was a huge part of our run. Several goals were results of his hard forecheck and board play, but he didn't get assists for it. The dude was a force out there but he wasn't on the scoresheet on most nights.

 

[marciiauzii]

You clearly haven't seen him play.

He is not as bad as his stats show.

 

[seafoam]

Guys have down years. Callahan's a good player.

 

[TOGuy14]

Ranger fans said it 2 years ago..guy was DECLINING FAST...nobody listened.....well now he has just 14 points in 50 games, 4th line numbers but playing 2nd line minutes (17:26 a game).


He has declined fast, the style he plays/played it was obvious it was going to happen, elite grinders like him don't last into their 30's.

Has another 5 years of just under 6M...

Worst contract is still Clarkson in my mind

He is certainly in the running.

Other honorable mentions would be Dave Bolland, Andrew MacDonald and Dustin Brown.

 

[B U F F A L O]

Worst contract is still Clarkson in my mind

He is certainly in the running.

Other honorable mentions would be Dave Bolland, Andrew MacDonald and Dustin Brown.

Id like to toss Matt Moulson into the ring too.

 

[BPD]

Okay so what happens when Stamkos doesn't go to New York and you gave up two first rounders to dump the guy? Is it a masterstroke then?

Ah, I knew I forgot the smiley in there.

 

[MrClutch86]

But the cap space is key and could have been better utilized

Sure, but I wouldn't call it one of the worst contracts

 

[bov]

Not even close. The production obviously could be better, but Callahan brings it every night and has generally been quite effective despite not putting up a ton of points.

 

[Sky04]

But Yet Drouiin apparently is not good enough to play on this team.

Callahan isn't even in the top-6 so........