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Value of: Dobson to Montreal
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Arthur Morgan
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well that depends, as of now all those picks look to be mid 1sts. nothing really great. and ur not guaranteed a good player in these spots. hell even in NHL25 on easy trading it's tough to get players like Dobson for multiple 1sts.
the offer is missing the meat. would prob need Reinbacher to even consider. the amount of 1sts can obviously lower but needs something valuable. not a collection of mid 1sts
HuGort
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Iol magic beans.
Ok you dont like Matheson? or dont think you would sign him?
Dobson is better than sergachev, but the latter got a top ten prospect, a 2nd round prospect, 2nd rounder and a 7th rounder.
Those forwards in the OP are 2 seconds and a 5th rounder, 2 D prospect are a 1st and a 3rd rounder. Mailloux was expected to be 7-15 before his bad judgement got him in trouble. Even at #31, The difference between Dobson and Sergachev in terms of value is not a first rounder prospect, 3 firsts (unprotected) and 7 additionnal picks in the 2nd to 4th rounder range.
In fact, i dont think the difference between Matheson and Dobson is one first round prospect, 2 2nd rond prospects, 3rd and 5th round prospects, 3 X 1st round picks (unprotected) and 7 additional picks in 2-4rd range.
miscs75
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He has too much term left and not interested in signing him personally. That’s why I’ve been saying Savard if there’s a veteran defenseman who has to come back. Savard is a UFA in July while Matheson is not. Savard is also a cheaper cap hit this year. Mike Matheson is your problem in Montreal for this summer and beyond unless he’s moved somewhere else. Not interested in getting him in hopes he can be moved before his deal is up in the summer of 2026. If we’re going to play that game, Pierre Engvall and his too many more years will look great in Montreal.
Parliament
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Forgive me but what's your point?
For starters, how did you figure his "norm" is 46 points? The lowest amount of points he scored was 49 points (only accounting for full seasons where he's played +78 games).
Additionally, "The 70 point season was his career year." yes, thus far, after 3 full seasons (and likely 4th after this year) 70 points has been his career year. I'd say that's very good, no? And if you're suggesting he won't do better than 70 pts, I don't have a crystal ball and won't speak to that - although if he can do it once, I fail to see why he can't do it again.
HuGort
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Easy he has .6ppg average x 80 games =49 points. 216÷364=.6 Actually Dobson only averaging .52ppg this season. Below average season
Arthur Morgan
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I didn't say I didn't like Matheson, but he's soon to be UFA for a rebuilding team adding Matheson for 1.5 years and having to either find a taker or extending or losing for nothing isn't really ideal and doesn't move the needle much.
yeah not every trade out there gets what they likely should but that doesn't mean Dobson should be had for less because of other trades.
2nd rounders don't always pan out. Id say making that deal puts all the risk on NYI. will the picks work out? will the prospects work out? all question marks and doesn't really fit what they should be looking for.
offer still seems pretty meh not going to lie.
Parliament
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Small correction but 80 x .6 = 48. I'm guessing you meant ".6 x 82 = 49". Neither of these are 46 though?
Regardless, I'd argue the ".6" you're using as a career avg is fairly misleading when you consider his first two seasons, where he played 34 and 46 games, was primarily focused on development - I mean his TOI avg's were 13:17 & 16:24, which most would argue is not a reasonable (or realistic/accurate) representation of Dobson.
When looking at his past four seasons, where he was a full time NHL'er, his avg was ".68" (194 pts ÷ 283 games played); which averages out to 56 points (over 82 games). This, to me, as a non-NYI/MTL fan, is much more fair/accurate/reasonable.
We agree on this season being below average; although if we looked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't a below avg season for the majority of NYI's skilled players. So not Dobson specific, but the team as a whole is struggling this season.
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This Islander fan kinda agrees with this.
That said Dobson's upside is definitely 1st pairing right-shot d man. He was awesome and growing uynder Trotz, but since then he's had Lane Lambert and Patrick Roy as coaches - Not to mention an aging/poor lineup around him (especially on defense).
You put Dobson on a talented team with a decent coach and you will see a great player who would totally justify his 12th overall draft slot (and for the next decade as he's only 25).
HuGort
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I guess you believe in splitting hairs. Makes big difference to you does it, 48 or 49 points a year? I rounded it off.
I’d definitely be willing to trade him, but Lou almost certainly won’t. Until his NTC ends in 2 years I don’t think he’s getting moved. He’d need motivation and whoever’s gm would also need a motive to move him somewhere and I don’t think that’s likely. Obviously Dobson is more valuable but he lacks trade protection which is the only reason why people are talking about this in the first place
