Do you support a coaching change?
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If you want a coaching change then be prepared to want another one around November 2027.
When this team is doing this same thing for the 5th time with 5 different coaches after about a year and a half on the job it pretty clearly isn't the coach that's the problem. Firing him lets all of them off the hook and they don't deserve it.
I'd sooner finish 32nd than fire Knoblauch at this point.
When this team is doing this same thing for the 5th time with 5 different coaches after about a year and a half on the job it pretty clearly isn't the coach that's the problem. Firing him lets all of them off the hook and they don't deserve it.
I'd sooner finish 32nd than fire Knoblauch at this point.
It’s too late in the year for that. I also think Knob has done a good job largely.
If the team had a quick exit in the playoffs I expect him to be replaced though and Bowman being allowed to bring in his own guy. Not sure I think that’s actually the right idea. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen.
If the team had a quick exit in the playoffs I expect him to be replaced though and Bowman being allowed to bring in his own guy. Not sure I think that’s actually the right idea. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen.
f*** no. Stop changing the coach every two years. No successful organization does that. I've certainly had some questions with Knoblauch this year but I also doubt he's telling the team to play fire drills in their own end and pass up scoring chances. It's not like either of those things are new to this team.
Absolutely not.
But if the team doesn't make it to at least the WCF I wouldn't be surprised if there is one.
But if the team doesn't make it to at least the WCF I wouldn't be surprised if there is one.
So first off I do view Knoblauch as a good coach and I do think as an org we've replaced the head coach too frequently, but we are in win now mode and with the way the team appears to be heading I don't feel like we have a strong chance at winning, as a group we seem stagnant.
There are also examples of late in season coaching changes resulting in Stanley Cup victories for example Bylsma /w PIT and Larry Robinson /w NJD.
While I know many blame the management group for the players we've acquired, I still think Knob is not extracting the best out of who we have (far too many underperformers to not be atleast partially at fault) and feel a defensively geared gameplan won't result in victory, cause in the tight low scoring games it often comes down to goaltending and I don't think we have reliable goaltending. I would prefer a coach who can get us scoring more, help us transition better, and allow our offense to be a little more dynamic (or atleast a better netfront presence).
There are also examples of late in season coaching changes resulting in Stanley Cup victories for example Bylsma /w PIT and Larry Robinson /w NJD.
While I know many blame the management group for the players we've acquired, I still think Knob is not extracting the best out of who we have (far too many underperformers to not be atleast partially at fault) and feel a defensively geared gameplan won't result in victory, cause in the tight low scoring games it often comes down to goaltending and I don't think we have reliable goaltending. I would prefer a coach who can get us scoring more, help us transition better, and allow our offense to be a little more dynamic (or atleast a better netfront presence).
That was Woodcroft. Couldn't defend if our lives depended on it.
We will never win anything if every time this team quits for a month (annual occurrence) we flip the coach out. Team needs to not quit for a month every year, not wait for the new coach to come in and motivate them to play with professionalism again.
Watching the game last night I felt the same way. I don't believe that he's getting the most out of our players and that we're destined for an early playoff exit. The obvious choice for Bowman would be Q, but if not him, who would be worthwhile that could get us there?
Nope.
Knoblauch has established a level of defensive structure other coaches haven’t been able to replicate.
Knoblauch is frustrating this year. Especially with offense, goaltending and consistency. Not convinced that decisions aren’t coming from above him on lots of the issues though.
Knoblauch has established a level of defensive structure other coaches haven’t been able to replicate.
Knoblauch is frustrating this year. Especially with offense, goaltending and consistency. Not convinced that decisions aren’t coming from above him on lots of the issues though.
No chance. He needs to figure out how to get more offensively out of this roster but for the majority of his time here he has had them playing cup winning type hockey.
Nah, gotta stop blaming the coaches and I don't like everything Knob has done this year
Still think he's a huge improvement over Woodcroft
Still think he's a huge improvement over Woodcroft
Voted no, but I would try and bring Coach Q in as an Assistant. I know it seems outlandish that he would come on and not be the main guy, but I think there is lots playing in our favor to make it happen. Chance to come into a SC contender with 2 of the best to ever play, Bowman connection, and I think a lower profile role as an Assistant could be somewhat enticing for him considering why he left the game. It could also be known but unspoken that if the team continues to underperform for Knob, Q is most likely the next headcoach. Could be the shot in the arm both the team and Knob need.
I think some championship experience from the modern era behind the bench could be huge for this squad, as it was with Perry and Keith, and the Dcorps with Coffey.
I think some championship experience from the modern era behind the bench could be huge for this squad, as it was with Perry and Keith, and the Dcorps with Coffey.
I have not seen us improve in any aspect of our game in atleast 3 months.
I'm used to the team taking a vacation and being awful for 1 or 2 months here or there, but in that process I can identify things that the coach is addressing and has improved, sometimes it frustratingly seems like we improve in 1 area and then another area declines, but I still see signs of life and a growth mindset, I'm not seeing that right now.
I also don't view a coaching change as a motivational ploy, I see a path to us winning and it's not playing how we are currently playing. For example I feel Hakstol is a worse coach than Knob, but he was able to get some mediocre talents in SEA to feel like you were being attacked in waves and every line was a danger to score, right now we don't have that and could benefit from that aspect.
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Also with respect to our defensive game falling off the second Knob is replaced I'm not buying that, while it will occur gradually, the lessons and habits learned don't fall off immediately, like for example Therrien layed the defensive framework for the Pens and it was Bylsma who loosed the reigns a touch and took the Cup home. If Bylsma had that team the entire time I don't think the Pens win the Cup it was IMO the cumulative effective of the best parts of each.
Like even in Knobs successful season I see Woodcroft's fingerprints all over that team and since he left I'm seeing a gradual decline in players offensive games and our special teams dominance.
I don't believe we should change the coach; however, I don't believe woody has all of the qualities you need in terms of personality and coaching style to get over the hump. That being said, we can still win without those, it's just going to be even harder.
I believe the ghost of dallas eakins could've coached this team to the finals last year. McDrai willed the team and nothing more.
I believe the ghost of dallas eakins could've coached this team to the finals last year. McDrai willed the team and nothing more.
Head coach doesn't stop the puck. Get a good goalie and this thread doesn't even exist.
Knob pisses me off quite a bit but get rid of Bowman and Schwartz for starters.
He gets two playoff runs at least just like Woody got. Woody's handling of the goaltending vs Vegas, laid the groundwork that let the early season slump cost him his job.
If Knoblach mismanages things in the playoffs this year, his leash will get shorter next year, but he absolutely should get a chance to bring the team out of training camp next year at minimum.
If they go Conference Finals or deeper, this year, I'd probably let him have at least the full season next year. Keeping in mind that I'm pretty doubtful management will go through this summer without at least adding an option in net and I'd also be shocked if they didn't look moreso towards younger players at least in their 20s instead of older vets in their 30s to change the dynamics a bit.
I also have to wonder if at some point this new management group looks at the goaltending coaching and thinks it's time for a change. No one that was part of the crew when Schwartz was hired is here anymore except Bill Scott, so there should be no loyalty to him.
If Knoblach mismanages things in the playoffs this year, his leash will get shorter next year, but he absolutely should get a chance to bring the team out of training camp next year at minimum.
If they go Conference Finals or deeper, this year, I'd probably let him have at least the full season next year. Keeping in mind that I'm pretty doubtful management will go through this summer without at least adding an option in net and I'd also be shocked if they didn't look moreso towards younger players at least in their 20s instead of older vets in their 30s to change the dynamics a bit.
I also have to wonder if at some point this new management group looks at the goaltending coaching and thinks it's time for a change. No one that was part of the crew when Schwartz was hired is here anymore except Bill Scott, so there should be no loyalty to him.
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There is nothing different about this iteration of the team's idiotic self inflicted collapse compared to the others. None. The Tippett and Woodcroft collapses were the same thing. Nonchalant play, embarrassing puck management, terrible goaltending, awful special teams, lazy team defending. Go down the list.
Hakstol didn't motivate the Kraken to shoot 20% across the board the one year, he got lucky. It also wasn't his "motivating" that allowed organically energetic players to play with energy, they just do that. The likes of Gourde and Tanev are going to give you quite a bit more juice than the slog of low T wingers we have in the bottom 6.
What’s the analytics on 5v5? That’s kinda why we brought in Knob, to teach these guys how to play a responsible 5v5 game.
I think the main issue is management not filling out the roster yet again.
What really sucks is how the special teams dipped. We can’t seem to be good at more than one thing at a time.
I think the main issue is management not filling out the roster yet again.
What really sucks is how the special teams dipped. We can’t seem to be good at more than one thing at a time.
When the team actually played with some amount of energy and attention to detail? Pretty much best in the league on both sides of the puck.
That changed when the group chose to half cock it after the 4 Nations.
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