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Do you believe in Frederik Andersen? Would you re-sign?

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Nope. Dubas will move towards a 50/50 split in net at a much cheaper rate than a single year of Freddies next contract.
 
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Zybalto said:
He's playing for his contract this year for sure but I can't see him getting a raise and is probably going to make less next year wherever he goes due to the current climate.
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I agree .2 year deal with no raise
 
81Leafs50 said:
do you also subtract goals from Gretzky's totals because he lit up last place teams with SUB-NHL goalies?
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Of course not, because Gretzky lit up the entire league and has actual accomplishments. If the best thing you could say about him was that he scored a bunch of goals on a terrible defensive team in the first round, then yea I'd question how good he actually was.
 
RogerR said:
It's just risky, So many of these big deals to goalies are busts. And boy, he looked terrible last year. There are some damn good goalies making 2-3 million per.
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The vast majority of goalies don't even stay elite for more than a few seasons at a time anyway, so it's always a gamble.
 
Dave92 said:
Of course not, because Gretzky lit up the entire league and has actual accomplishments. If the best thing you could say about him was that he scored a bunch of goals on a terrible defensive team in the first round, then yea I'd question how good he actually was.
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I rest my case. Thank you for killing your own stupid point.
 
Over the past 4yrs, 27 goalies have faced 5000+ unblocked shot attempts:

SV%

1. Bishop 92.3
2. Kuemper 92.3
3. Vasilevskiy 92.0
4. Hellebyuck 91.8
5. Lehner 91.8
6. Rask 91.8
7. Rinne 91.6
8. Fleury 91.6
9. Halak 91.5
10. Gibson 91.5
11. Varlamov 91.5
12. Andersen 91.4
13. Markstrom 91.3
14. Dubnyk 91.1
15. Lundqvist 91.1
16. Allen 91.1
17. Bobrovsky 91.0
18. Bernier 90.9
19. Price 90.9
20. Smith 90.8
21. Quick 90.7
22. Talbot 90.7
23. Murray 90.7
24. Holtby 90.5
25. Howard 90.5
26. Anderson 90.2
27. Jones 90.1

dfSV% (differential between fsv% and expected fsv%)

1. Gibson +.61
2. Bishop +.55
3. Kuemper +.52
4. Hellebyuck +.34
5. Fleury +.23
6. Lehner +.11
7. Andersen +.07
8. Halak +.07
9. Rinne +.05
10. Lundqvist +.04
11. Rask +.04
12. Varlamov +.01
13. Markstrom +.00
14. Smith -.02
15. Bobrovsky -.04
16. Quick -.07
17. Vasilevskiy -.08
18. Holtby - .10
19. Bernier -.25
20. Talbot -.30
21. Allen -.39
22. Jones -.41
23. Howard -.48
24. Price -.53
25. Murray -.55
26. Dubnyk -.96
27. Anderson -.98


Over the last 2yrs, 27 goalies have faced 1750+ unblocked shot attempts:

Sv%

1. Kuemper 92.3
2. Rask 92.3
3. Hellebyuck 92.0
4. Bishop 92.0
5. Vasilevskiy 92.0
6. Blackwood 91.7
7. Grubauer 91.7
8. Varlamov 91.6
9. Markstrom 91.6
10. Ullman 91.5
11. Jarry 91.4
12. Binnington 91.2
13. Koskinen 91.1
14. Fleury 91.0
15. Saros 91.0
16. Hart 90.9
17. Bernier 90.8
18. Rittich 90.8
19. Andersen 90.7
20. Price 90.6
21. Quick 90.5
22. Gibson 90.5
23. Korpisalo 90.3
24. Bobrovsky 89.8
25. Holtby 89.7
26. Murray 89.6
27. Jones 89.2

dfSV%

1. Hellebyuck +.74
2. Kuemper +.62
3. Bishop +.32
4. Rask +.32
5. Binnington +.17
6. Blackwood +.16
7. Varlamov +.15
8. Grubauer +.14
9. Vasilevskiy +.13
10. Markstrom +.07
11. Koskinen +.07
12. Bernier -.03
13. Hart -.07
14. Jarry -.18
15. Fleury -.26
16. Saros -.32
17. Gibson -.37
18. Quick -.37
19. Rittich -.40
20. Ullmark -.45
21. Andersen -.47
22. Price -.65
23. Holtby -.73
24. Jones -.86
25. Korpisalo -.94
26. Bobrovsky -.96
27. Murray -1.28
 
Ziggdiezan said:
Keefe teams have very very active defenders. This leads to teams getting more odd man rushes and/or breakaways (pretty much a guarantee with this style of system). I haven't found a stat to back this up
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Because it's not true.

5v5 Rush attempts against/60, Andersen

Babcock: 1.75
Keefe: 1.70

Also, Andersen's high danger SV% hasn't really changed. He's just been letting in more lower-end shots.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Because it's not true.

5v5 Rush attempts against/60, Andersen

Babcock: 1.75
Keefe: 1.70

Also, Andersen's high danger SV% hasn't really changed. He's just been letting in more lower-end shots.
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Link for stats please. Never seen that tracked before on any website. Rush attempts isn't exactly what I'm looking for or shows what I was talking about but if it is a readily available tracked stat that would be interesting

Sudden changes in stats while a goalie is in their prime especially right when a coaching change happens seems to point at the system or the goalie not thriving in the system rather than the goalie themselves suddenly becoming worse overnight.
 
Ziggdiezan said:
Link for stats please.
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It's on Naturalstattrick.
Rush attempts isn't exactly what I'm looking for or shows what I was talking about
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I mean, literally every piece of information disproves your claim. Scoring chances, high danger chances, rush chances, expected goals against, etc. At what point do you just admit you were wrong? Even if you were right about whatever arbitrary, specific type of chance you want, I'm not sure what relevance you think it has, when the overall difficulty Andersen faces has unquestionably decreased.
Sudden changes in stats while a goalie is in their prime especially right when a coaching change happens seems to point at the system or the goalie not thriving in the system rather than the goalie themselves suddenly becoming worse overnight.
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Sudden changes in goaltending happen all of the time! Goalies are incredibly random and variable, and their peaks come at all sorts of ages and often don't last. Andersen started struggling before Keefe; it's just amplified under Keefe because our defense improved so much - there's nothing else to shift the blame to anymore. If Anderson can't "thrive" under a good defensive system, that's a massive problem. It's already been pointed out that his high danger save percentage has remained similar; he's just letting in more lower-quality shots - blaming that on the coach or system is pretty ridiculous.
 
Dekes For Days said:
Andersen started struggling before Keefe; it's just amplified under Keefe because our defense improved so much - there's nothing else to shift the blame to anymore. If Anderson can't "thrive" under a good defensive system, that's a massive problem. It's already been pointed out that his high danger save percentage has remained similar; he's just letting in more lower-quality shots - blaming that on the coach or system is pretty ridiculous.
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especially since his backups seem to be doing just fine under the new coach!

Under Keefe

Andersen 51gms, .907
Backups 20gms, .908 (Campbell .917, Hutch .901)
 
oh shit now we have to re-sign Hutch I don't care.

 
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Not that he's get that contract, but learn from Price situation. Freddy is near 32 and isn't the goalie he once was.
 
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Spirit of 67 said:
You have no case to rest.

The better goalie will almost always win the playoff series.

Now show me which series he's been the better goalie.

I'll wait.
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You could also say that when your scorers don't score the team loses the series. Sometimes your goalie is great but your team does not score, the CLB series, our scorers didn't score. Andy had a great series. .936 sv% / 1.84 GAA / 3 quality starts in a 5 game series.
 
Dekes For Days said:
It's on Naturalstattrick.

I mean, literally every piece of information disproves your claim. Scoring chances, high danger chances, rush chances, expected goals against, etc. At what point do you just admit you were wrong? Even if you were right about whatever arbitrary, specific type of chance you want, I'm not sure what relevance you think it has, when the overall difficulty Andersen faces has unquestionably decreased.

Sudden changes in goaltending happen all of the time! Goalies are incredibly random and variable, and their peaks come at all sorts of ages and often don't last. Andersen started struggling before Keefe; it's just amplified under Keefe because our defense improved so much - there's nothing else to shift the blame to anymore. If Anderson can't "thrive" under a good defensive system, that's a massive problem. It's already been pointed out that his high danger save percentage has remained similar; he's just letting in more lower-quality shots - blaming that on the coach or system is pretty ridiculous.
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Is it part of the player summary as I haven't seen it there on naturalstat?

What do you think my claim is/was?

Sudden goalie changes do not happen all the time for situations like this, I.e. bona-fide starter starting to struggle out of nowhere after years of consistent high level play, still well within his prime and generally better quality teammates now. I dont know why it is happening either but the one major change in that time has been coaching. It would be logical to wonder if there is any relationship and so I was just spit balling that perhaps he played better in a Babcock style defensive system. If that is the case he will need to be moved on from as he doesn't fit with the team anymore.

I didn't blame it on the coach or system, I proposed possible reasons for his play getting markedly worse under Keefe. Your so protective of anything Dubas related, it is insufferable
 
Ziggdiezan said:
Is it part of the player summary as I haven't seen it there on naturalstat?

What do you think my claim is/was?

Sudden goalie changes do not happen all the time for situations like this, I.e. bona-fide starter starting to struggle out of nowhere after years of consistent high level play, still well within his prime and generally better quality teammates now. I dont know why it is happening either but the one major change in that time has been coaching. It would be logical to wonder if there is any relationship and so I was just spit balling that perhaps he played better in a Babcock style defensive system. If that is the case he will need to be moved on from as he doesn't fit with the team anymore.

I didn't blame it on the coach or system, I proposed possible reasons for his play getting markedly worse under Keefe. Your so protective of anything Dubas related, it is insufferable
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We were playing a defensive system under Babcock? If that's the case, why is our D so much better now that he's gone?
 
Gary Nylund said:
We were playing a defensive system under Babcock? If that's the case, why is our D so much better now that he's gone?
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He definitely tried to implement one but it didn't work for a variety of reasons. The D is better now because of personal, system and the major reason, the development of all the younger leaf players. That includes forwards.
 
Ziggdiezan said:
He definitely tried to implement one but it didn't work for a variety of reasons. The D is better now because of personal, system and the major reason, the development of all the younger leaf players. That includes forwards.
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Yeah I think you're missing what might be the biggest reason of all - Babcock himself.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Yeah I think you're missing what might be the biggest reason of all - Babcock himself.
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Ya he tried to fit a system that didn't work at all with the personnel. That is completely on the coach and the reason he was fired. I haven't missed that lol
 
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