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Do Shootout Wins Feel Satisfying to You?

Shootout wins don’t feel that satisfying, but losing a shootout is annoying. Strange contradiction.
 
A W is a W and a shootout W is better than a shootout L.

I would argue the 100% opposite to it "not being satisfying".
the pressure and excitement and fear grows in most cases as the OT and shootouts progress.

do you leave a Shootout loss feeling satisfied or like your team won?
with OT losses and shootout losses it feels like the extra "loser" point is meaningless..... the team lost. you watched them lose, they skated off quietly while the winner cheered and high fived.. the loser point is for the standings not the fans. the fans want a win. you sure don't celebrate the single point unless it clinches something...otherwise/ you walk out feeling like your team lost and the point is just an "at least we got a point"
 
Toby91ca said:
Hate to go there, but I will. OT losses are worth 0% of an OT win. You get 1pt for OT win and 0pts for OT loss. It also comes into play with tiebreakers.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. Clearly, OT losses are worth 50% of an OT win in the current system. Right now, any kind of "win" (regulation, OT, or shoot-out) is worth 2 points and an OT loss is worth 1 point.

In any case, we disagree because you don't have a problem with the points-system and I do.

I will never be able to accept some games being worth 3 points in the standings and others being worth 2.
 
No, go back to the old system.

Regulation time followed by 5 mins of 5v5 OT. No loser point. 2 points for the winning team, no points for the losing team, 1 point each for ties. It also disincentivizes teams playing for OT as losing in OT is no better than losing in regulation. If players don't want to play extra, just a standard 60 minute game that ends is a tie will serve the same purpose.

The problem's arise when you start OT with a different format than you play during regulation and the entire playoffs, then you have to start awarding points for making it to the gimmicks. Just get rid of the gimmicks.
 
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Shootouts and 3 on 3 overtime are legitimate and entertaining forms of the hockey when my team wins them but when my team loses, they’re just a gimmick.
 
hangman005 said:
You just keep getting worse and worse. :sarcasm::naughty::laugh::laugh:
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So last night in rec hockey, my team is down 4-2 in the third period (and we had been down 4-1). Last two minutes we pull our goalie - and holy shit we score two in the last 30 seconds to tie it up!

Overtime solves nothing, so we go to a shootout.

We lose in the shootout.

I'd still much rather have the shootout than leave it at a tie.

If you've seen a shootout in person at an NHL rink - everyone is on their feet, nobody is leaving early. It may be a gimmick, but it's an exciting gimmick.
 
Love the whiny "its a gimmick" yet these same guys probably are probably on the edge of their couch when their star player scores on a 2 on 1 in OT after the play was going back and forth.
 
3074326 said:
I can't fathom feeling more satisfied with a tie than a shootout win. It doesn't compute in my brain. Feels devoid of logic. No offense.

But, to me a tie means everyone lost. Fans included.
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I went through the same thing when I was young when ties were a thing. I learned that it is good for the game in regarding to standing standpoint where no team will be able to gain one point from the gimmick. We want to use the standing to reflect the team's true strength, not the artificial strength via the OTL or via too many OTW/SOW. The playoffs will not allow for this fakeness of a team so therefore the team true standing is skewed. I cannot recall a bad team that missed the playoffs before finally made the playoffs once only for them to miss next few more years under the old point system. Leafs is one good example, they missed the playoffs and made once and missed the playoffs for a few more years due to point system and shorten season due to lockout.
 
I find myself switching to watch games that are in OT and turn them off when if it goes to the shootout.
 
3074326 said:
I can't fathom feeling more satisfied with a tie than a shootout win. It doesn't compute in my brain. Feels devoid of logic. No offense.

But, to me a tie means everyone lost. Fans included.
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No right or wrong way to feel, naturally. That said, baked into every sport is the distinct possibility of an unsatisfying ending. A tie isn't a clear win, but it's a hard-fought draw between equal opponents. If I'm spending over two hours, I'd rather watch a tight game ending 4-4 than a 6-1 blowout or a 1-0 defensive snoozefest. There are lots of unsatisfying results in hockey... including losses. Should the NHL fix goalie duels and blowouts because some fans dislike them? How far should we go to engineer happy endings?

Hockey's a low-scoring game that occasionally ends in a tie. Very satisfying if your team scores the tying goal with two minutes left! Very unsatisfying to lose that tie if the other team scores a last-minute heartbreaker. Many great games ended in a tie, including one of the greatest ever played – Canadiens vs. Red Army. Trust me, that was a satisfying game!

Apologies if it sounds like I'm criticizing your personal opinion. I'm just an old guy coming from a different perspective. Ties were never an issue and, for many fans, they still aren't. OT/SO was a marketing hook to attract new fans, but IMO it hasn't improved the product. That said, I'm fine with the current OT/SO and actually dig the entertainment. I just see it as a cheap and unnecessary bonus point.
 
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Lshap said:
No right or wrong way to feel, naturally. That said, baked into every sport is the distinct possibility of an unsatisfying ending. A tie isn't a clear win, but it's a hard-fought draw between equal opponents. If I'm spending over two hours, I'd rather watch a tight game ending 4-4 than a 6-1 blowout or a 1-0 defensive snoozefest. There are lots of unsatisfying results in hockey... including losses. Should the NHL fix goalie duels and blowouts because some fans dislike them? How far should we go to engineer happy endings?

Hockey's a low-scoring game that occasionally ends in a tie. Very satisfying if your team scores the tying goal with two minutes left! Very unsatisfying to lose that tie if the other team scores a last-minute heartbreaker. Many great games ended in a tie, including one of the greatest ever played – Canadiens vs. Red Army. Trust me, that was a satisfying game!

Apologies if it sounds like I'm criticizing your personal opinion. I'm just an old guy coming from a different perspective. Ties were never an issue and, for many fans, they still aren't. OT/SO was a marketing hook to attract new fans, but IMO it hasn't improved the product. That said, I'm fine with the current OT/SO and actually dig the entertainment. I just see it as a cheap and unnecessary bonus point.
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Yeah but that's still a baby to @Gee Wally :sarcasm::sarcasm::laugh:
 
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