literally zero. Ovi is miles ahead of Laine, the people trying to compare them are just silly.Now that Ovi has his cup and Smythe both Sid and Ovi have their legacies locked down. But the worrying thing is a player like Jagr who won 5 art Rosses in a row loses to Sid now very clearly on the polls. Jagr despite everything he did has almost been replaced by Sid in the eyes of the new generation. But the players are different enough that Sid can not damage Jagr's legacy even if some seem him as better.
McDavid and Laine's favorite players are Sid and Ovi. They play a similar style to them. Is there a chance that Ovi and Sid will be looked at as unremarkable in the future because they are dwarfed by Laine and McDavid? Is there a chance that their legacies will crumble? Or are they safe? Or just Ovi? Or just Sid?
If you move Laine up in the lineup he's also going to be facing tougher competition and top pairings on Defense. He fell into a great situation in Winnipeg with all the talent around him on that team he gets a lot of support, support others his age don't get and to his credit he is taking advantage of the situation.If Laine rounds out his game a bit more (which is likely considering his attitude) and Maurice plays him higher than the third line he might reach similar success as Ovi.
Him getting second line ice time is unlikely though due to PM's love for Bryan Little with whom Patrik does not click with at all.
Well Laine is ahead by 80 goals when we compare him to same age Ovi.literally zero. Ovi is miles ahead of Laine, the people trying to compare them are just silly.
If Laine rounds out his game a bit more (which is likely considering his attitude) and Maurice plays him higher than the third line he might reach similar success as Ovi.
Him getting second line ice time is unlikely though due to PM's love for Bryan Little with whom Patrik does not click with at all.
Laine plays 3rd line? since when
he's 5th in Avg toi for Fwds on the Jets and #2 for his position.
Eichell could be pretty good stick holder for Laine, not more. Laine is faster, stronger, more intelligent and far more beautiful than Jack Eichell. Did I mention younger as well?
People write off Laine way too easy, he is a flawed player and not even a top2 player in his team however he has been able to score around 40 goals twice already, Ovechkin at Laine's age didn't even play at the league yet.
I know it's stupid to bring up the age factor with young and unproven players but Laine isn't unproven, Laine already has shown that he is an elite goalscorer and he is only going to get better. Basically Laine already has the best overall shooting ability in the league, he only needs to improve his overall game, mainly his skating and strength, if he even becomes 3-5% better at those things he very well could challenge McDavid and that is not a stretch, if you disagree you are delusional or don't know what Laine already is, yes he is far from perfect but you can bet your ass that Winnipeg's couching staff is focusing mainly on developing Laine's game, he has the potential to become the greatest goal scorer ever and he is already on a good pace.
Do you have bat signal for when Eichel gets mentioned on HFBoards?Laine couldn’t lace jacks skates.
He would be a complete flop in buffalo, where as eichel has gone point per game on his last 130, if jack was on the jets top
Six....Winnipeg would probably win the cup.
Oh yeah. Let's punish Ovechkin for the lockout when he was clearly NHL ready when he was drafted.Well Laine is ahead by 80 goals when we compare him to same age Ovi.
No one is punishing Ovi for anything. The lockout happened, that's a fact. Laine has a 80 goal head start on Ovi, that's a fact.Oh yeah. Let's punish Ovechkin for the lockout when he was clearly NHL ready when he was drafted.
If the category is skating.
He will not be as good of a skater as McDavid is. But I am betting on the overall impact on winning.
Do you have bat signal for when Eichel gets mentioned on HFBoards?
No doubt...Ovie has +18 in goals and +64 in pts in his first 2 seasons vs Laine. Ovie's rookie year (if people want to compare his rookie to Laine's upcoming 3rd year) he had 50+Gs and 100+pts, +29G's and +49Pts on the next player on his team (his C's were Halpern and Zubrus, just lol).Oh yeah. Let's punish Ovechkin for the lockout when he was clearly NHL ready when he was drafted.
Also while Laine is a very accurate passer I highly doubt he is more accurate than McDavid is in any aspect.
These have nothing to do with what year is fairer when comparing the starts to their respective careers.
It's not Ovechkins fault that around the same age Laine has not physicall matured into his 'big frame', Mcdavid has an injury and bounced back perfectly fine, and era of scoring has nothing to do when comparing simply what year to start these comparisons.
The natural comparison is the season they could have earliest possibly played in the NHL, but since Ovechkin could not in 2004, then obviously it's fair to compare Laine's second season to Ovi's first. Saying it should now be Laine's 3rd season only gives Laine age (which is what you were complaining about with regards to the normal comparison) and even more NHL experience, which is the most useful thing.
Wheeler was around 28/29 and Scheifele was around 23 years old when they started becoming elite NHL players, you can't say that they weren't 'physically mature', so what's the difference? NHL experience.
Hell Mackinnon even took 5 seasons of NHL experience to break out and utilize his skills, a few months of AGE difference has nothing to do with it.
Yes I strongly doubt that Laine's 3rd season will out produce Ovechkins rookie year. 52G 106ptsNo doubt...Ovie has +18 in goals and +64 in pts in his first 2 seasons vs Laine. Ovie's rookie year (if people want to compare his rookie to Laine's upcoming 3rd year) he had 50+Gs and 100+pts, +29G's and +49Pts on the next player on his team (his C's were Halpern and Zubrus, just lol).
Is there a more defensive bunch than Laine fans?
Yes I strongly doubt that Laine's 3rd season will out produce Ovechkins rookie year. 52G 106pts
That's why analytical people understand the need for era adjustment. The amount of PP time was completely disproportionate comparing to todays hockey. Icetime matters a lot too.
It's about their pace, how much positive impact they make with the minutes they get.
Yeah didn’t you know that a guy with over 150 assists in two seasons on a bleh team is a worse passer then a guy who gets 26 assists In 82 games playing with ehlers stastny little and on PP scheifele Wheeler buff Connor.
There’s hardly even a case that Laine is a better passer then McD ...it’s absolutely ridiculous to even suggest.
It’s not all about assists though anyone that sees just a few games of the oilers knows mcDs passing is elite. Back handed spin o Rama’s flying up the wing, it’s magical.
I believe People want Laine to be great that’s the thing here. They wish his overall game was great because then he would be among the best of the best but I think he’s actually a tier below the schefiele, barkov, Matthews eich, one ...not by a lot just a mini tier below, sort of like mcdavid is a mini tier above that one.
He’s not in the horvat tier which would be below the Laine one imo.
That's why analytical people understand the need for era adjustment. The amount of PP time was completely disproportionate comparing to todays hockey. Icetime matters a lot too.
It's about their pace, how much positive impact they make with the minutes they get.
"Laine is a PP specialist"
Comparing rookie seasons:
Age on the first game day
Crosby 18yo 59d
Laine 18yo 177d
Ovechkin 20yo 18d
PP opportunities
WSH 05-06 495
PIT 05-06 490
WPG 16-17 264
PP TOI
Ovechkin 544:33
Crosby 459:15
Laine 199:18
PP production
Crosby 81GP 16G 31A 47PTS
Ovechkin 81GP 21G 31A 52PTS
Laine 73GP 9G 5A 14PTS
PP TOI needed for a goal
Laine 22:09
Ovechkin 25:56
Crosby 28:42
PP TOI needed for a point
Crosby 9:46
Ovechkin 10:28
Laine 14:16
EV TOI
Ovechkin 1,140:57
Crosby 1,119:25
Laine 1,106:54
EV production
Crosby 81GP 23G 30A 53PTS
Ovechkin 81GP 28G 23A 51PTS
Laine 73GP 27G 23A 50PTS
EV TOI needed for a goal
Ovechkin 40:45
Laine 40:59
Crosby 48:40
EV TOI needed for a point
Crosby 21:07
Laine 22:08
Ovechkin 22:22
Seems like the only difference in production is PP time.