Do Avs Still Trade Rantanen if They Know He Ends up in Dallas

[BednarIsStupid]

Not my senator.

Who's your Senator?

 

[RussianBum86]

Who's your Senator?

Technically none in my state because I didn't vote for any of the candidates on either side, but it is Scott and Moody who replaced rubio.

 

[Brookbank]

Nick Kypreos says Joe Sakic should be fired for the Rant trade. Trading a star player like that goes across the presidents desk. It wasn't just the GM.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Are you still glad you traded him??

read the whole thread, lazy

 

[BB88]

Yup. The got pieces. They just don't have competent coaching to make it happen. Anyway. Rantanen upgraded. You won't get an argument from most Avalanche fans on that.

Like I said prior I really feel the Avs are in danger of shutting their window down how this season was handled

No picks for -25 or -26 draft, no top prospects, no 2C and no real cap space. + 1 less superstar

Necas scored 86 points this season, I doubt in the end the cap savings will be that big

Mackinnon is 30y next season, the window is his prime so the next few seasons, I don’t really understand why the Avs were thinking years 4-6 instead of 1-4. None of Nichuskin, Landeskog, Toews matter at that point. The time to win Cups is now with that core

 

[NotCommitted]

People must understand how insane it is to claim that a player who put up 12 points in 7 games, including a 3+1 game 7 "didn't make a difference", but then again the only people claiming that seem to be Avs fans utilizing fantastic thinking trying to cope with their game 7 loss.

Gotta say though that just like the first 20 games after the trade didn't determine the overall outcome, neither does Rantanen pretty much single handedly sinking the Avs in round 1. It looks really bad right now and there's always the argument this was the year for Avs to contend and sacrificing future for the best chance right now would've been the right way to go about it, but I honestly believe we need the benefit of hindsight with this one to see if it was indeed as stupid a trade as it appears in the present moment.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Like I said prior I really feel the Avs are in danger of shutting their window down how this season was handled

No picks for -25 or -26 draft, no top prospects, no 2C and no real cap space. + 1 less superstar

Necas scored 86 points this season, I doubt in the end the cap savings will be that big

Mackinnon is 30y next season, the window is his prime so the next few seasons, I don’t really understand why the Avs were thinking years 4-6 instead of 1-4. None of Nichuskin, Landeskog, Toews matter at that point. The time to win Cups is now with that core

Necas will probably come in 3 or 4 million cheaper than Rantanen. Maybe they can use this cap space to bring in part of a 2C?

 

[BednarIsStupid]

Like I said prior I really feel the Avs are in danger of shutting their window down how this season was handled

No picks for -25 or -26 draft, no top prospects, no 2C and no real cap space. + 1 less superstar

Necas scored 86 points this season, I doubt in the end the cap savings will be that big

Mackinnon is 30y next season, the window is his prime so the next few seasons, I don’t really understand why the Avs were thinking years 4-6 instead of 1-4. None of Nichuskin, Landeskog, Toews matter at that point. The time to win Cups is now with that core

They went into the season not knowing what was going to happen with Landeskog and Nichushkin. And, like it or not, they were a .500 team with MacKinnon, Rantanen and Makar if the depth continued to dwindle. Bednar also doesn't know how to make use depth either. So, that guy needs all the help he can get.

 

[BednarIsStupid]

Necas will probably come in 3 or 4 million cheaper than Rantanen. Maybe they can use this cap space to bring in part of a 2C?

Even with a rising cap, they need to resign Makar as well.

 

[BednarIsStupid]

People must understand how insane it is to claim that a player who put up 12 points in 7 games, including a 3+1 game 7 "didn't make a difference", but then again the only people claiming that seem to be Avs fans utilizing fantastic thinking trying to cope with their game 7 loss.

Gotta say though that just like the first 20 games after the trade didn't determine the overall outcome, neither does Rantanen pretty much single handedly sinking the Avs in round 1. It looks really bad right now and there's always the argument this was the year for Avs to contend and sacrificing future for the best chance right now would've been the right way to go about it, but I honestly believe we need the benefit of hindsight with this one to see if it was indeed as stupid a trade as it appears in the present moment.

Rantanen made a difference for Dallas. There's no denying that. But, I had the Avalanche post-season finished after 4 games. You can go back and see my previous posts even. I was told that I was being loser after giving up on them when the series was tied. But, the reality is that Colorado needed to beat Dallas in 4 or 5 games to have a long post-season. 7 games was going to kill them down the stretch and only gave way for Rantanen to wake up. The fundamental problem for Colorado is still the reliance on 2 guys and not being able to utilize depth where it exists. And, that dates back to even when Rantanen was on the team. It's a coaching issue right now. It's not cope to say that. But, I love how many people suddenly became Rantanen fans after he left Colorado. Opens my eyes a little bit on how people might actually feel about Colorado's players if they were on a different franchise. Makar and MacKinnon would be treated like gods in Canada.

 

[BB88]

Necas will probably come in 3 or 4 million cheaper than Rantanen. Maybe they can use this cap space to bring in part of a 2C?

Why on earth would Necas take 8-9M with the cap going up massively?

He just scored 86 points and is in a line for another high end offensive season with Mackinnon

He’s easily in line to get 10M, 85-90 point season next year? 11M

 

[Spilot23]

Why on earth would Necas take 8-9M with the cap going up massively?

He just scored 86 points and is in a line for another high end offensive season with Mackinnon

What do you expect he gets and what comparison would you use?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

What do you expect he gets and what comparison would you use?

Have to remember that the contract would be kicking in another year so with cap rising if Necas puts up a similar season to this year he's getting $10m AAV for sure. $11m isn't out the question. He's not an easy negotiation. The man wants to be paid which is another reason why him and Carolina figured out a mutually agreeable exit plan. Canes weren't the team that was gonna do that unless he really exploded.

Avs will probably try and use Guentzel contract (or similar) and Necas is gonna go with Nylander. You meet in in the middle and he's easy $10m +

 

[BB88]

They went into the season not knowing what was going to happen with Landeskog and Nichushkin. And, like it or not, they were a .500 team with MacKinnon, Rantanen and Makar if the depth continued to dwindle. Bednar also doesn't know how to make use depth either. So, that guy needs all the help he can get.

They could have still made moves with Rantanen in the lineup

They just really messed up this season

 

[BB88]

What do you expect he gets and what comparison would you use?

Well he’s already on a 6.5M bridge deal that he signed 2024. From that to his current deal running out the cap could have gone up 14-15M. On top of that he just had a career year.

So if he has another similar season I’d expect something in the Nylander range if he doesn’t sign this summer

This summer I’d expect around 10M. Just based on him having a career year, cap exploding& buying prime UFA years.

Necas and his agent know all of that and you have to convince him to sign now instead of letting him play next to Mackinnon for another season

 

[BednarIsStupid]

They could have still made moves with Rantanen in the lineup

They just really messed up this season

Sure. They could have. And, they did that in pevious years too. At some point, the GM needs to realize that the underlying issue is the coach relying on star players so heavily (which is why Rantanen probably never did as well in previous Game 7's for Colorado). Competent coach makes ALL the difference in sports. And, Bednar is is stupid as they come in managing minutes.

 

[BB88]

Sure. They could have. And, they did that in pevious years too. At some point, the GM needs to realize that the underlying issue is the coach relying on star players so heavily (which is why Rantanen probably never did as well in previous Game 7's for Colorado). Competent coach makes ALL the difference in sports. And, Bednar is is stupid as they come in managing minutes.

That’s what I never understood. Mackinnon- Rantanen where gassed even before the playoffs started

 

[WarriorofTime]

Maybe they get lucky and Necas signs for under-market value, but there's a pretty high chance they're just paying a worse Winger a bit lower for what's ultimately a UFA deal either way. It's not like they got a cheap cost controlled RFA that they'll get a lot of surpass value out of for many years.

 

[BednarIsStupid]

That’s what I never understood. Mackinnon- Rantanen where gassed even before the playoffs started

Man. I just get so mad that everyone else sees it and not Bednar or CM. Everyone sees it. Everyone. Literally. Even Kypreos brought it up on his podcast or show. If I were coach, I would spread the minutes as much as possible. I know I would do that. I know you would do that. Bednar? That's why I knew the post-season was done once Colorado couldn't finish Dallas in 5 games or less. Hopefully, losing as painfull as they have will give them good insight into this. You've lost 4 Game 7's in a row for a reason you dipshits.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Maybe they get lucky and Necas signs for under-market value, but there's a pretty high chance they're just paying a worse Winger a bit lower for what's ultimately a UFA deal either way. It's not like they got a cheap cost controlled RFA that they'll get a lot of surpass value out of for many years.

I'll eat a hat if Necas signs below $9m. If Colorado wants to minimize the overall spend then they should try to get an extension done this offseason and maybe he will do something in the $9.5m range but I'm sure he's licking his chops at the idea of hitting free agency at the perfect time and if he performs well next year he'll be able to demand $10m + for sure.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I'll eat a hat if Necas signs below $9m. If Colorado wants to minimize the overall spend then they should try to get an extension done this offseason and maybe he will do something in the $9.5m range but I'm sure he's licking his chops at the idea of hitting free agency at the perfect time and if he performs well next year he'll be able to demand $10m + for sure.

Maybe they re-flip Necas, who knows, but they're going to need a top line Winger and are unlikely to pull one out from the prospect pool. I think they got too cute and outsmarted themselves by deciding to trade rather than seriously try and extend Rantanen. There's no indication he drove a hard line or turned down any serious offers from Colorado.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Necas has been on Kevin Fiala's trajectory for years. Adjust for future cap inflation and a comparable cap is $9.92 mil.

 

[BB88]

Maybe they re-flip Necas, who knows, but they're going to need a top line Winger and are unlikely to pull one out from the prospect pool. I think they got too cute and outsmarted themselves by deciding to trade rather than seriously try and extend Rantanen. There's no indication he drove a hard line or turned down any serious offers from Colorado.

What we know is that he walked to the office and said he’s taking a home town discount and few days later he got traded, Johnston today said they were 0.25M apart on contract, Friedman had previously said he believes Rantanen was taking a 12.5M deal from the Avs

 

[WarriorofTime]

Necas has been on Kevin Fiala's trajectory for years. Adjust for future cap inflation and a comparable cap is $9.92 mil.

Round to an even $10 million, and then you ask, is Rantanen worth $2 million AAV more than Necas? Probably, yeah.

 

[fbuford]

Avs are not sniffing another cup anytime soon,
they lost Kadri who was near point per game in the playoffs, and, now Rantanen who had 25 points, more than MacKinnon.

They really out smarted themselves and thought they could nickel and dime, and, replace them with dollar store players.