Do all 3 Hughes brothers go 1st overall in their respective re-drafts?

[dgibb10]

He's been quite a bit better this year, but the -25 despite sheltered minutes last year had concrete reasons behind it. If you look at shot attempts against with him on the ice you'll see that a completely exceptional number were high-danger chances and often because of his own turnovers. I'm all for being patient with young players and allowing mistakes, but we're talking 1st overall here.

To illustrate the age gap between Luke last year and Edvinsson this year.

Simon Edvinsson is 21 years and 10 months old.

At this time last year Luke Hughes was 20 years and 3 months old.

That is a 19 month age gap.


For comparison, the age gap between Edvinsson and Jack Hughes (23 years 7 months) is 21 months.

Luke Hughes was better than Edvinsson 2 years ago
Luke Hughes was better than Edvinsson last year
Luke Hughes is better than Edvinsson now.

And he's 7 months younger than him. Edvinsson taking longer to crack the show is not a point in his favour

 

[dgibb10]

He was -4 at 5v5 (+9 when not paired with Brendan Smith)....

And he wasn't sheltered at all last year. He was the team's #1 for much of the season because of injuries.

There's no point.

Good faith arguing isn't there when he's trying to compare Luke last year to Edvinsson this year.

They're from the same draft class.
Edvinsson is 7 months older.

Trying to paint it like edvinsson has had less time to develop compared to luke is just weak.

New jersey devils coaches are truly wizards with how they are able to shelter 4 of their dman all at the exact same time for 40 minutes a night. Where do they find all these sheltered minutes to play guys in, who knows.

 

[sabremike]

Dahlin and Hughes are too close to call IMO.

Jack is relatively easily #1, who knows how Seider develops but doubt he catches up.

Theres a large group in Lukes all competing, be more obvious in a couple years. At this current time Id probably say Boucher goes #1

Dahlin might be the single most underrated player in the entire league at this point. From the second he got hurt the Sabres went from a team competing for a playoff spot to (literally) worse than the teams deliberately constructed to lose games and the clueless Hesburger munching clowns will continue to shit on him in every thread.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Jack without question, Quinn yeah probably, Luke too early to tell.

 

[Albatros]

To illustrate the age gap between Luke last year and Edvinsson this year.

Simon Edvinsson is 21 years and 10 months old.

At this time last year Luke Hughes was 20 years and 3 months old.

That is a 19 month age gap.


For comparison, the age gap between Edvinsson and Jack Hughes (23 years 7 months) is 21 months.

Luke Hughes was better than Edvinsson 2 years ago
Luke Hughes was better than Edvinsson last year
Luke Hughes is better than Edvinsson now.

And he's 7 months younger than him. Edvinsson taking longer to crack the show is not a point in his favour

Edvinsson was significantly better defensively in the games he played last season and the one before as well, spending most of those years in the AHL had nothing to do with his performance and all about being a 6'6" defenseman in development, big minutes in a physical league which he mastered.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I take Johnston over Hughes all day. There was talk of Johnston making team Canada.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Hard to take Luke first overall when Tyler Boucher is in the same draft.

 

[dgibb10]

Edvinsson was significantly better defensively in the games he played last season and the one before as well, spending most of those years in the AHL had nothing to do with his performance and all about being a 6'6" defenseman in development, big minutes in a physical league which he mastered.

It's become clear you are lying to yourself at this point.

Anyway Luke still leads the league in expected goals share.

Big thanks to edvinsson and detroit for getting certifiably murdered by luke the last time we played to help build that lead. 3.11 expected goals for 5v5 in just 20 minutes. Truly helping luke get his offensive numbers up.

I take Johnston over Hughes all day. There was talk of Johnston making team Canada.

And there was talk of Hughes making team USA. Your point?

 

[Albatros]

In the real world he's been on the ice for 14 ES goals for all season, in 25 games. Still +1 which is fine, but the offense really hasn't been there. Edvinsson 25 for and 19 against in 29 games (+6).

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

In the real world he's been on the ice for 14 ES goals for all season, in 25 games. Still +1 which is fine, but the offense really hasn't been there. Edvinsson 25 for and 19 against in 29 games (+6).

Hughes is 14gf 10ga +4 at 5v5
Edvinsson is 18gf 17ga +1 at 5v5

Edvinsson's ES numbers are boosted by his team scoring 6 empty net goals with him on the ice lol.

Just admit you're wrong and move on.

 

[Albatros]

EN goals as well as 4v4 or 3v3 count just the same, but sure, frame it as you please. Either way 14 goals in 25 games isn't very impressive.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

EN goals as well as 4v4 or 3v3 count just the same, but sure, frame it as you please.

You don't think it's easier to score goals when there's no goalie in net?

Either way 14 goals in 25 games isn't very impressive.

Vs 21.5 expected goals. 6.6 on ice sh%.

It's funny, at first you were criticizing his defense, but once you saw that was a dead end, now you're going after his offense lol.

These posts are already stupid, and they're going to look increasingly bad over time.

 

[dgibb10]

EN goals as well as 4v4 or 3v3 count just the same, but sure, frame it as you please. Either way 14 goals in 25 games isn't very impressive.

They count the same on a scoreboard, but they don't matter as much to who's as good a player.

4v4 is relevent, happens often enough and is still even both ways
3v3 is relevant in the regular season, irrelevant come playoff time.

Empty net situations are a luck based crapshoot with virtually 0 bearing on a players skill level.

EN goals as well as 4v4 or 3v3 count just the same, but sure, frame it as you please. Either way 14 goals in 25 games isn't very impressive.

10 goals against in 25 games sure as hell is tho.

4th fewest goals against/60 in the league 5v5 among dmen.

Or are you going to ignore that

 

[Albatros]

You don't think it's easier to score goals when there's no goalie in net?

Sure, but you need to get in that position first. And conversely if you don't want to include EN goals then you probably also shouldn't include other goals scored with goalie pulled etc. As long as it doesn't get convoluted I don't mind.

 

[Albatros]

10 goals against in 25 games sure as hell is tho.

4th fewest goals against/60 in the league 5v5 among dmen.

Or are you going to ignore that

I started by acknowledging that the defense has been much better this year, just unfortunately at the expense of the offense. Now he looks like a legitimate NHL player, last year he looked every bit like the sheltered rookie without accountability that he was so it's a great improvement overall. The question is merely whether he's now better than everyone else. Power meanwhile gets treated almost like a veteran already, his third year playing in a big role with someone barely older (and defensively less responsible) than himself, never really got sheltered at all.