Player Discussion: Dmitri Voronkov
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In terms of style or what? I thought people would think it wasn't a great comparison because Vronk is obviously more skilled than Svitov but you're saying the opposite!
Vronk already has more points than Svitov did in the NHL in half as many games. I'm thinking Vronk is a better skater too but don't remember well enough. They're both lefties & listed on hockey reference within a pound of each other.
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koteka
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I think the Anderson comparison is apt. Not because of play style but because you wonder “how did a guy that big who can do what he does go so low in the NHL draft?” Anderson was a 4th rounder (95th overall) and Voronkov was a 4th rounder (114th overall). Everybody thinks the NHL overrates sizes in the draft, but these are two guys that every team passed on several times.
That quite often where those guys are found because it's hard to project. They were both kinda late bloomers but Anderson especially developed a ton physically late. Anderson was something like 6'1" 185lbs back then, not really hard to see why teams wouldn't predict a 6'3" 226lbs power forward with a mean streak
1 point in first 5 games then 9 points in the next 8.
Looking good out there, riding a 5 game point streak currently
Looking good out there, riding a 5 game point streak currently
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Very quietly doing so too.
I think Jody talked about it, but he’s very good in the neutral zone tipping pucks into open space for teammates to transition the puck.
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Do agree with the scout that you haven't seen the same nastiness as he played with last year. Maybe it's more about conserving energy but he rarely finishes checks. He only has 14 hits all season, 15th on the team. Last year he was 7th on the team with 83
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The physical elements of his game are a complete shock to Me. I completely misevaluated him as a prospect.
When we got him I thought he’d be a 4th line “goon” type with some finishing ability. Then when he started growing as a player, I thought he’d could be a 3rd line physical forward who could fight and chip in offense sometimes (sort of like Olivier). Hes fought before, but it’s a complete afterthought of his game. Hes not big and shy like Laine was, but he’s not a physical force either. I hope he starts bringing that to his game more.
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I do think that's more of what he was in Russia. There were so many clips of him laying huge hits and getting into fights
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Finishing checks and fighting etc is cool and all, and I'd welcome it in whatever capacity it arrived from Dmitri. But I'm more interested in his physicality manifesting as a net front presence on offense (at the center of scrums on the regular, too) and a guy who controls the play with his size and strength both on and off the puck. You know, that classic "difficult to play against."
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Guess I should have also specified that I was also really wrong about his offensive upside.
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Yes. I would rather have him on the ice than sitting in the box for 5 or more minutes.
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Personally I dream of a CBJ - Capitals line brawl that includes a Dmitri Voronkov - Aliaksei Protas fight that is so epic that the referees are scared to get close so nobody ever stops it. (And to state the obvious, Olivier destroying Tom Wilson’s face is a part of this dream, too.)
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It would be fun to watch, but liking it would depend on who gets the last laugh. Really don't want to see this again.
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having him in a dynasty keeper league that values blocks and hits immensely, me fricken too. lol
Voronkov came into his first pre-season and was asking for help on how to start a fight, who to pick and so on. He fought then, and then fought in his regular season debut vs Arber Xhekaj. He did well. He has only fought twice since then, one of those recently vs Connor Murphy.
My sense is that the disappearing fighting has also mirrored how his physical game has gone. I don't know what happened to his physical edge, but it's not just a this year thing. It started last year. I'd like to know what the coaches think about it and what they've communicated with him about. He can understand "fight and hit more".
I read the scouts in the Athletic and I don't think Brian Boyle is that great of a comp. Voronkov has vision and passing ability and is possibly even stronger than Boyle. He's already had better scoring paces in each of the two seasons than Boyle has had at any point in his career. Voronkov is solidly a top six forward and has shown more promise at center than anyone not named Monahan. He should be playing in that role.
My sense is that the disappearing fighting has also mirrored how his physical game has gone. I don't know what happened to his physical edge, but it's not just a this year thing. It started last year. I'd like to know what the coaches think about it and what they've communicated with him about. He can understand "fight and hit more".
I read the scouts in the Athletic and I don't think Brian Boyle is that great of a comp. Voronkov has vision and passing ability and is possibly even stronger than Boyle. He's already had better scoring paces in each of the two seasons than Boyle has had at any point in his career. Voronkov is solidly a top six forward and has shown more promise at center than anyone not named Monahan. He should be playing in that role.
One scout said he’s got a potential to score 15-20 goals. He’s already scored 8 this year and 18 last year
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Ironically I thought this was one of his best games in terms of physicality and he was making great passes on top of that
It reminds me of the Xhekai situation. If Habs fans are righ, he's not that into the fights, he doesn't hit at all costs. One is using his stick more, his strength, playing easier, which has shown in his improved play.
Dima is a similar case, he focuses more on his play more, uses his body, his strength, wins battles around the boards, in the net. He's improving offensively, has great vision, good moving. That's important. By the way, he did fight in the KHL, but he wasn't a classic enforcer, rather he played extremely hard, provocated. But his coaches were Dmitry Kvartalnov and Zinetula Bilyaledtinov, who are like agressive players and Dima played in bottom 6.
