"Distinct kicking motion" in Jets / Stars game

[jungles]

That is incorrect per the definition of the word "deflected." It matters whether the redirection of the puck was an intentional act or an incidental one. That was what they used 7 minutes to determine, because the rule only applies to a deflection.

Sure let's pretend intentional deflections don't exist. This is a lot of stretching of reality to justify a blown call.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Good goal it was called goal on the ice and very subjective if it was a true kicking motion.

If they called no goal on the ice you then say no goal for same reason.

It’s already been established by the NHL that it was a kicking motion. The case for gial/no goal begins afterwards.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

If Helly put the puck into his own net, why was the goal awarded 2 assists?

The Athletic column by Ates just brought up the same point. No assists are awarded if Hellebuyck was responsible for putting the puck into his own net.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

49.2.ii says clearly that if the puck is deflected by a skater’s stick, the goal is good.

We can plainly see it deflected by a stick before it reaches the goalie.

I’m not sure why we or the league felt the need to bring the goalie into it at all.

Rule 49.2 (ii) states an exception, a puck deflected off a goalies stick following a kicked puck is a no goal.

That rule is posted several times already in this thread take a look.

 

[JKG33]

The Athletic column by Ates just brought up the same point. No assists are awarded if Hellebuyck was responsible for putting the puck into his own net.

Now explain why most of the own goals St Louis scored last round have assists

 

[tarheelhockey]

NHL rulebook states any kicked puck going off a goaltenders stick is a no goal. The on-ice officials explained to Arniel that the puck was indeed kicked, but then propelled. Arniel countered the word propel doesn’t appear in the NHL rulebook.

Even if it were, every puck deflected off a goaltender could be deemed propelled as any motion they make is propelling the puck along a different path.

The puck was deflected by a skater’s stick before it reached the goaltender at all. That makes it legal per 49.2.ii.

I’m still not clear on how we got hung up on all this about the goalie.

 

[MBTendy]

Rule 49.2 (ii) states an exception, a puck deflected off a goalies stick following a kicked puck is a no goal.

That rule is posted several times already in this thread take a look.

Good thing it wasn’t “deflected” and it was actually batted in by Helle.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Rule 49.2 (ii) states an exception, a puck deflected off a goalies stick following a kicked puck is a no goal.

That rule is posted several times already in this thread take a look.

But that doesn’t matter if the puck also strikes another player’s stick.

49.2.ii is extremely clear about that.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Which according to the rule book doesn't matter.

The rules are clear a kicked puck going off a goalies stick is no goal. 49.2 (ii)

 

[JKG33]

The puck was deflected by a skater’s stick before it reached the goaltender at all. That makes it legal per 49.2.ii.

I’m still not clear on how we got hung up on all this about the goalie.

Shhhh dont let facts get in the way of a good story. Obviously blown call is the only reason the mentally fragile Jets let this one get away from em

 

[BLONG7]

The rules are clear a kicked puck going off a goalies stick is no goal. 49.2 (ii)

The kicked puck, was going wide............the goalie put it in himself.
It's a goal guys........no dog in the fight.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The rules are clear a kicked puck going off a goalies stick is no goal. 49.2 (ii)

Not if it’s deflected by a skater first.

 

[Benneguin]

The rules are clear a kicked puck going off a goalies stick is no goal. 49.2 (ii)

Except that it didn't deflect off of the goalies stick. Hellebuyck tried to play the puck and batted it into his own net.

 

[Kegu]

But that doesn’t matter if the puck also strikes another player’s stick.

49.2.ii is extremely clear about that.

Should that not have been what the refs said then? If that was theirs / torontos interpretations of the events why not just say that?

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

But that doesn’t matter if the puck also strikes another player’s stick.

49.2.ii is extremely clear about that.

The only player s stick it touched was Hellebuyck’s. The play went kick, ice, Hellebuyck stick, into the net.

No one until you has suggested otherwise, not the commentators, the refs, the situation room., the players/coaches post game. Not even a poster (that I’ve seen anyways) has said as much. You’re the first.

 

[Fatass]

Jets got mauled. Move on or it’s lights out.

 

[Magic Mittens]

This should have never counted. It was 100% kicked (a forward motion) even if it wasn’t an overly egregious kick. What Hellebuyck does after that kick shouldn’t mean anything because it was a kick that started the whole thing. And it took them 8 god damned minutes to get that wrong.

If that's the case then we would have to review every play where it started with a kick.
If a player behind the net in a board scrum kicks the puck free and another player shoots it in, then you could say "the kick started the whole thing"

Has a goal ever been called off from a pass that was kicked? Honest question, because if it has, then I can see why Jets fan's are mad, but otherwise this goal would of never gone in if Hellebuyck doesn't hit it in

 

[tarheelhockey]

Should that not have been what the refs said then? If that was theirs / torontos interpretations of the events why not just say that?

I would think so, which is why I’m kind of baffled at the league’s approach to the call.

 

[Mattb124]

The rules are clear a kicked puck going off a goalies stick is no goal. 49.2 (ii)

What does the rule say if the kicked puck hits a player’s stick before hitting the goalie’s stick like in this case?

 

[tarheelhockey]

The only player s stick it touched was Hellebuyck’s. The play went kick, ice, Hellebuyck stick, into the net.

No one until you has suggested otherwise, not the commentators, the refs, the situation room., the players/coaches post game. Not even a poster (that I’ve seen anyways) has said as much. You’re the first.

I mean it’s right there on video, plain as day.



Check the behind the net view at 0:30. Slow down to 1/4 speed and it becomes more obvious. Petrovic kicked it, then deflected it toward the slot. That invalidates any “no goal” issue here.

 

[Goose]

I'm cheering for the Jets and I'm okay with it being a goal.

Yes he kicks it intentionally, but it's not going into the net until Helle's stick deflects it in. Don't know the rules in and out, so maybe I'm wrong on something, but it feels like Helle legit made that puck go in where it was actually heading away from the goal line with the kick.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

The kicked puck, was going wide............the goalie put it in himself.
It's a goal guys........no dog in the fight.

What’s interesting is everyone has been so focused on the kick and Hellebuyck’s stick, that they didn’t notice the interference by Petriovic thru the crease a split second before when he catches Hellebuyck’s glove coming thru and then his stick ever so slightly as he passes. This is what set up the series of events the very next moment.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

I mean it’s right there on video, plain as day.



Check the behind the net view at 0:30. Slow down to 1/4 speed and it becomes more obvious. Petrovic kicked it, then deflected it toward the slot. That invalidates any “no goal” issue here.

I’ve watched all the angles, including this one. The puck changes direction as a result of contact with the ice and then more after deflecting off the goaltenders stick into the net.

Had the puck touched any of the Stars players after the kick this would have been a good goal and that would have stated by the on ice official or the situation room after each watched 10 minutes of replays.

No one other than you appears to have seen this.

 

[Djp]

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Reviewed for 7 minutes to say good goal because it hit the goalies stick

They claimed he tried to play it. How us playing goal not playing the puck when defending thr puck coming to the net

Refs need to attend press conferences

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Player should be allowed to kick the puck in