"Distinct kicking motion" in Jets / Stars game

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Goal all day no question about it

 

[StLewis11]

Whether it was a kick or not, it was a horrible play by Hellebuyck.

 

[SEALBound]

i think they came to the right conclusion but for the wrong reasons. a call like this creates a new grey are where its ref discretion on deflection vs direction vs full on propulsion.

ruling this wasnt a kicking motion to begin with would have been fine, there will always be a conversation concerning what is and isnt a kick.

I agree but I also think that's hindsight. That's a VERY quick play to see and analyze in full time. The refs not being sure and wanting to review is fine.

Remember, we don't know exactly what they are discussing either. The commentary from the announcers may not match the true conversation.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Whether it was a kick or not, it was a horrible play by Hellebuyck.

I can't get on a goalie for instinctively swatting at the puck trying to keep it out, because that's what goalies do, and particularly without considering the nuances of a vague rule in the nanoseconds required to activate the muscles, but Hellebuyck's positioning on that play was ..... not good.

Personally, I think he knew it too such that by the time play resumed he had mentally turned back into a pumpkin.

 

[SillyRabbit]

If Helly put the puck into his own net, why was the goal awarded 2 assists?

This.

I remember a goal that the Canucks scored earlier this season: Here.

NHL.com marked it as "own" goal (link here) and took away the assists, which as you can see from the replay, was clearly assisted on by Miller and Hughes.

If they are saying Hellyebuck put it into his own net, it would be marked as such.

 

[JKG33]

I can't get on a goalie for instinctively swatting at the puck trying to keep it out, because that's what goalies do, and particularly without considering the nuances of a vague rule in the nanoseconds required to activate the muscles, but Hellebuyck's positioning on that play was ..... not good.

Personally, I think he knew it too such that by the time play resumed he had mentally turned back into a pumpkin.

Hellebuyck has been out of position and swimming all playoffs too.

This.

I remember a goal that the Canucks scored earlier this season: Here.

NHL.com marked it as "own" goal (link here) and took away the assists, which as you can see from the replay, was clearly assisted on by Miller and Hughes.

If they are saying Hellyebuck put it into his own net, it would be marked as such.

Nope. Go look at any of the own goals the Blues scored on themselves in round 1. Most if not all of them have assists credited

 

[Chairman Maouth]

It's mind-bottling how there's any controversy. The puck was not kicked in. It was knocked in by Hellebuyck. That's always a good goal.

 

[jungles]

The takes in here that it wasn't a kick are wild. I feel like I am being gaslighted.

 

[M88K]

This was ruled a goal



This was ruled a goal this year



Both of those are kicked in.
Somehow the Lehkonen goal was ruled not a kick. But those are more egregious kicks than this one today.

The one today wasn't going in until hellebyuck put it in the net. Rendering the not "kick" irrelevant anyway

 

[Chairman Maouth]

The takes in here that it wasn't a kick are wild. I feel like I am being gaslighted.

It doesn't matter if it was kicked. Hellebuyck knocked it in his own net.

 

[jungles]

It doesn't matter if it was kicked. Hellebuyck knocked it in his own net.

Which according to the rule book doesn't matter.

 

[andora]

No addendum here. Own goals have always been counted as legal goals.

Its interesting - rule reads otherwise due to missing the key piece they used. I understand what they are saying - but now that it has happened its written down somewhere

All im saying - and also it is interesting how lomg that took for such a simple rationale

 

[M88K]

Which according to the rule book doesn't matter.

The rule book says deflected.
It wasn't deflected. Connor scored it himself

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Which according to the rule book doesn't matter.

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Which according to the rule book doesn't matter.

The rule book says deflected.
It wasn't deflected. Connor scored it himself

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[MikeyMike01]

Someone explain to me why this goal counted, but the following did not count:

 

[BLONG7]

A goal every time guys..........every time.
This is all on Hellebuyck..............I have no dog in the fight, and even if I did, it's a goal, and for me, seriously why take so damn long to make that call.

 

[HeussLenfoire]

That’s a goal, no debate

 

[Junohockeyfan]

This was an obvious goal. It was like the nhl was trying to find something wrong. If no one touched the puck after the kick it would have gone wide. Jets put it in their own net. Has to be a goal.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Someone explain to me why this goal counted, but the following did not count:

That was a clear deflection, per the rules no goal. The one tonight was a clear play on the puck and propelled into his own net, goal per the rules.

Puck was kicked and going through the crease, it then gets hit 45 degrees the other way and into the net by Hellebyuck. It was not a deflection as deemed by the crew.

 

[Mattb124]

I'm not going to keep arguing with you. I think the NHL got it wrong, end of story.

Willful ignorance must be delicious.

 

[Anglesmith]

Which according to the rule book doesn't matter.

That is incorrect per the definition of the word "deflected." It matters whether the redirection of the puck was an intentional act or an incidental one. That was what they used 7 minutes to determine, because the rule only applies to a deflection.

 

[bov]

People are trying to analyze this? Clear goal, not even worth 30 seconds of review. As soon as you see the replay it's not even debatable.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Wasn’t ruled as good because it hit goalie’s stick, it was good because they ruled the goalie put it in his own net.

If it was an own goal, why were assists credited?

The NHL’s determination that Hellebuyck propelled the puck into his own net appears to indicate “own goal.”

Rule 79.4 states: “A goal shall be scored if the puck is shot into the goal by a player of the defending side. The player of the attacking side who last touched the puck shall be credited with the goal but no assist shall be awarded.”

Ultimately, that’s the decision the NHL appears to have made — although, if that’s the case, then Mikko Rantanen and Sam Steel’s assists should not apply.

NHL ruled Helly propelled the puck which is true

That point alone negates the kick

NHL rulebook states any kicked puck going off a goaltenders stick is a no goal. The on-ice officials explained to Arniel that the puck was indeed kicked, but then propelled. Arniel countered the word propel doesn’t appear in the NHL rulebook.

Even if it were, every puck deflected off a goaltender could be deemed propelled as any motion they make is propelling the puck along a different path.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

To continue my thoughts from the GDT, this is the way they ruled it:

A) It was a distinct kicking motion that played the puck towards the net, however that's legal in all zones unless it causes the puck to be propelled into the net.
B) It did not "deflect" off Hellebuyck's stick into the net, it was "propelled" by Hellebuyck's stick into the net (the rules use the verb "propel" all over the place to be distinct from "deflecting" the puck. This renders the ruling that the puck was kicked irrelevant.

I actually disagree on both accounts, however when you reverse it that way... it still results in a good goal.

Find an NHL rulebook that uses the word propel.

I’ll wait while you find the 14 occasions it appears and then wait much longer while you find one that relates to this situation.

 

[OilerTyler]

Clearly not a goal but it's hard to get those calls as a Canadian team in the playoffs.