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I crushed a Finance midterm last week, so to celebrate I ignored my coursework this week to get my Pre-AHAC stuff in order/take out the tables.
As you’ll see, I begin in 1881, as that is the earliest record I’ve seen so far of teams travelling outside their city for games.
The Pre-AHAC is rough; information is sparse, some games are only alluded to in other game summaries, some games are said to take place at a future date but no record of the game actually taking place was found, etc. More troubling to me is the issue with names- I’ve done my best to account for what I think are typos, incorrect/alternate spellings, and wrong/different initials, but there is a very (very) real chance I incorrectly conflated 2-3 players or did the opposite and didn’t separate two records when I should have. As always, I’m happy to discuss anything here, and will make any corrections that we decide should be made to the record.
For the season stats tables, I’m only going to list players who registered at least 1 confirmed point. Without the ability to easily post tables, it would simply be too labor-intensive (at the moment) to manually build all the tables in the forum. I will also post a top 10 games, goals, and points table encompassing the entire 1881-1886 time period. Assists weren’t really awarded enough to make an assist table worthwhile.
There are several interesting things I found during the course of this research. First, Dolly Swift gets mentioned as the first player to play for a team that he didn’t live in. I believe this is false, as we see Fred Ashe and Percy Myles- usually of Quebec City- play for the Victorias a couple times. Speaking of Messrs. Ashe and Myles, however, it is outside the scope of this post, but I’d like to note that they were some great hockey proselytizers; Ashe would eventually go to Winnipeg and play the game there, while Myles was influential in bringing hockey to Pittsburgh. Organized hockey (as we know it) may have started in Montreal, but it was spread by members of the Quebec Hockey Club.
Second, look at how similar 1885 and 1886 look to the AHAC, not only in terms of personnel, but coverage, clubs, and scoring information. I know we look at 1887 as really the dawn of the eventual NHL chain, but I definitely think we should push that lineage back a bit.
Third, look at the personnel. Obviously Dolly Swift stands out- there couldn’t have been that many A.E. Swift’s playing hockey in Quebec City at that time, so I have no reason to doubt that it wasn’t Dolly. Additionally, it tracks with a newspaper article I read a couple years ago that mentioned Swift being just a boy at the onset of his career. But there are several more names that debuted in this time frame that had careers that went fairly deep into the AHAC- Allan Cameron, Tom Paton, James Stewart, Jack Arnton, Jack Findlay, Billy Hodgson, Robert Davidson, Halder Kirby, etc. Stars were stars, regardless of when they played.
1881
1882
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1884
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1886
EDIT: I have no idea why it is putting the lines through most of the text. Man, I can’t wait for the update.
1881
1882
1883
No recorded points
1884
1885
1886
Top 10 Games 1881-1886
Top 10 Goals 1881-1886
Top 10 Points 1881-1886
As you’ll see, I begin in 1881, as that is the earliest record I’ve seen so far of teams travelling outside their city for games.
The Pre-AHAC is rough; information is sparse, some games are only alluded to in other game summaries, some games are said to take place at a future date but no record of the game actually taking place was found, etc. More troubling to me is the issue with names- I’ve done my best to account for what I think are typos, incorrect/alternate spellings, and wrong/different initials, but there is a very (very) real chance I incorrectly conflated 2-3 players or did the opposite and didn’t separate two records when I should have. As always, I’m happy to discuss anything here, and will make any corrections that we decide should be made to the record.
For the season stats tables, I’m only going to list players who registered at least 1 confirmed point. Without the ability to easily post tables, it would simply be too labor-intensive (at the moment) to manually build all the tables in the forum. I will also post a top 10 games, goals, and points table encompassing the entire 1881-1886 time period. Assists weren’t really awarded enough to make an assist table worthwhile.
There are several interesting things I found during the course of this research. First, Dolly Swift gets mentioned as the first player to play for a team that he didn’t live in. I believe this is false, as we see Fred Ashe and Percy Myles- usually of Quebec City- play for the Victorias a couple times. Speaking of Messrs. Ashe and Myles, however, it is outside the scope of this post, but I’d like to note that they were some great hockey proselytizers; Ashe would eventually go to Winnipeg and play the game there, while Myles was influential in bringing hockey to Pittsburgh. Organized hockey (as we know it) may have started in Montreal, but it was spread by members of the Quebec Hockey Club.
Second, look at how similar 1885 and 1886 look to the AHAC, not only in terms of personnel, but coverage, clubs, and scoring information. I know we look at 1887 as really the dawn of the eventual NHL chain, but I definitely think we should push that lineage back a bit.
Third, look at the personnel. Obviously Dolly Swift stands out- there couldn’t have been that many A.E. Swift’s playing hockey in Quebec City at that time, so I have no reason to doubt that it wasn’t Dolly. Additionally, it tracks with a newspaper article I read a couple years ago that mentioned Swift being just a boy at the onset of his career. But there are several more names that debuted in this time frame that had careers that went fairly deep into the AHAC- Allan Cameron, Tom Paton, James Stewart, Jack Arnton, Jack Findlay, Billy Hodgson, Robert Davidson, Halder Kirby, etc. Stars were stars, regardless of when they played.
1881
Game 1: Quebec vs Montreal, 22 January 1881
Final Score: 2-0 Quebec
Rosters
Montreal: C. Coursol, F. Larmouth, D. Kinghorn, D. Richards, W. Aird, E. Sheppard, C. Lamothe
Quebec: C. Miller, Percy Myles, Harcourt Smith, W.E. Scott, H. Woods, A. Colley, H. Ashe
Goals
Quebec: Harcourt Smith (No assists), Percy Myles (No assists)
Game 2: Quebec vs Montreal, 5 February 1881
“Young Mr. Ashe, of Quebec, played an excellent game throughout”
“Gough and Green played well; they are very determined players and rushed the puck down to the Quebec goals, where it was kept, much to the anxiety of A. Colley, the Quebec goal-keeper, who was good as usual, and who succeeded in saving ten or twelve goals”
“F. Learmont stood in the Montreal goal and showed that he was no mean goal-keeper. Greene rushed the puck from side to side and end to end, and showed that he understood the game. Myles was certainly one of the prettiest players on the ice; he and Miller did some good dodging. Smith played well and Ashe was always with the puck and seemed to be in every part of the rink at the same time”
Final Score: 4-1 Montreal
Rosters
Quebec: P. Myles, A.W. Colley (goal), H. Smith, A. Swift, H. Ashe, J.O. Richardson, C. Miller
Montreal: W. Aird, C. Lamothe, F. Larmonthe (goal), D. Kinehorn, T. Fraser, Green, E.H. Gough
Goals
Montreal: All UNK
Quebec: P. Myles (No Assists)
Final Score: 2-0 Quebec
Rosters
Montreal: C. Coursol, F. Larmouth, D. Kinghorn, D. Richards, W. Aird, E. Sheppard, C. Lamothe
Quebec: C. Miller, Percy Myles, Harcourt Smith, W.E. Scott, H. Woods, A. Colley, H. Ashe
Goals
Quebec: Harcourt Smith (No assists), Percy Myles (No assists)
Game 2: Quebec vs Montreal, 5 February 1881
“Young Mr. Ashe, of Quebec, played an excellent game throughout”
“Gough and Green played well; they are very determined players and rushed the puck down to the Quebec goals, where it was kept, much to the anxiety of A. Colley, the Quebec goal-keeper, who was good as usual, and who succeeded in saving ten or twelve goals”
“F. Learmont stood in the Montreal goal and showed that he was no mean goal-keeper. Greene rushed the puck from side to side and end to end, and showed that he understood the game. Myles was certainly one of the prettiest players on the ice; he and Miller did some good dodging. Smith played well and Ashe was always with the puck and seemed to be in every part of the rink at the same time”
Final Score: 4-1 Montreal
Rosters
Quebec: P. Myles, A.W. Colley (goal), H. Smith, A. Swift, H. Ashe, J.O. Richardson, C. Miller
Montreal: W. Aird, C. Lamothe, F. Larmonthe (goal), D. Kinehorn, T. Fraser, Green, E.H. Gough
Goals
Montreal: All UNK
Quebec: P. Myles (No Assists)
1882
Game #1: Quebec Hockey Club vs Victoria Club, 21 January 1882
The paper notes that “ome two thousand people attended the Victoria Skating Rink… to witness the hockey match”
“...Mr. F.C. Henshaw, the President of the Rink, occupying the chair. After the repast, the health of Her Majesty was drunk, and then the President proposed the toast of the two teams. In doing so, he said that, whilst they had witnessed some fine play on both sides, the Quebeckers had excelled most; and if he should select any one from their number as distinguishing himself more than the rest, it was Mr. Myles”
“... some remarkably brilliant and skillful play was exhibited on both sides, Ashe noticeably distinguishing himself on the visiting team, and Fred Larmonth and Charles Lamothe doing honor to the Victorias”
Final Score: 0-0
Rosters
Quebec: C. Miller, P. Myles, H. Ashe, F. Ashe, P. Anderson, A.W. Colley, W.B. Scott
Victorias: C. Lamont, E. Shepherd, T. Fraser, F. Larmonth, D. Kinghorn, J. Watt, W.D. Aird
Game #2: Victoria Hockey Club vs Quebec Hockey Club, 16 February 1882
“Swift, who up to this had not shown as good play as was expected of him…”
“Anderson’s defence was as good as usual”
Final Score: 2-0 Quebec
Rosters
Quebec: A. Swift, P. Myles, H. Ashe, F. Ashe, P. Anderson, A.W. Colley, W.B. Scott
Victorias: C. Lamothe, E. Shepherd, J. Monk, W. Brown, D. Kinghorn, A.E. Bell, E. Stevenson
Goals
Quebec: Myles (F. Ashe), H. Ashe (Myles, Swift)
The paper notes that “
“...Mr. F.C. Henshaw, the President of the Rink, occupying the chair. After the repast, the health of Her Majesty was drunk, and then the President proposed the toast of the two teams. In doing so, he said that, whilst they had witnessed some fine play on both sides, the Quebeckers had excelled most; and if he should select any one from their number as distinguishing himself more than the rest, it was Mr. Myles”
“... some remarkably brilliant and skillful play was exhibited on both sides, Ashe noticeably distinguishing himself on the visiting team, and Fred Larmonth and Charles Lamothe doing honor to the Victorias”
Final Score: 0-0
Rosters
Quebec: C. Miller, P. Myles, H. Ashe, F. Ashe, P. Anderson, A.W. Colley, W.B. Scott
Victorias: C. Lamont, E. Shepherd, T. Fraser, F. Larmonth, D. Kinghorn, J. Watt, W.D. Aird
Game #2: Victoria Hockey Club vs Quebec Hockey Club, 16 February 1882
“Swift, who up to this had not shown as good play as was expected of him…”
“Anderson’s defence was as good as usual”
Final Score: 2-0 Quebec
Rosters
Quebec: A. Swift, P. Myles, H. Ashe, F. Ashe, P. Anderson, A.W. Colley, W.B. Scott
Victorias: C. Lamothe, E. Shepherd, J. Monk, W. Brown, D. Kinghorn, A.E. Bell, E. Stevenson
Goals
Quebec: Myles (F. Ashe), H. Ashe (Myles, Swift)
Carnival Game #1: Quebec HC vs Victoria, 26 January 1883
Quebec was the better team and scored a goal, but it was disallowed.
Final Score: 0-0
Rosters
Quebec: A. Colley in goal, W. Scott at Back, A.E. Scott and R. Davidson at Half-Back, F. Ashe, A. Swift, F. Ashe at forward
Victorias: Watt in goal, Charles Lamothe at Back, E. Sheppard and J. Muir at Half-Back, E. Stevenson, Abbott, J. Arnton at forward
Carnival Game #2: Victorias vs McGill, 27 January 1883
Final Score: 1-0 McGill
Rosters
Victorias: Ashe, Myles, Arnton, Sheppard, Stevenson, Muir, Watt
McGill: Kinloch, Smith, Foster, Low, Green, Murray, Elder
Carnival Game #3: McGill vs Quebec, 27 January 1883
“The play of Messrs. W.E. Scott, A. Swift, F. Ashe, R. Davidson, and A. Scott was very much admired, especially that of Mr. W.B. Scott. On the McGill side those who are especially deserving of mention are Messrs. Murray, Foster, Elder, Green and Smith”
Final Score: 2-2
Rosters
Quebec: A.W. Colley in goal, WB Scott at Back, AE Scott and R. Davidson at Half-Back, A. Swift and A. Swift (almost certainly a typo- I think it should be Valier) at forward, F. Ashe at centre forward
McGill: A.P. Low in goal, J. Elder at Back, P. Foster and F. Green at Half-Back, J. Kinloch, R.F. Smith at forward, W.L. Murray at centre forward
Exhibition Game: Quebec vs Victorias, 27 January 1883
“On the Quebec side Ashe, Scott and Swift made some beautiful play, but failed to pass the Victoria backs. Watt in goal played beautifully, stopping many shots almost in the goal line”
“The play of the following gentlemen is especially worthy of mention: Scott, R. Davidson, E. Valliere, Swift and Ashe for Quebec, and of Arnton, Shepherd, Lamothe and Stevenson for the Victorias”
“For the Montrealers, Shepherd, Arnton, Muir and Stevenson deserve special mention, as do also Scott, Davidson, Colley and Swift for the Quebec club”
Final Score: 1-1
Rosters
Quebec: W. Scott, F. Ashe, A. Scott, Swift, Colley, Valier, Davidson
Victorias: Lamothe, Dunn, Arnton, Sheppard, Stevenson, Muir, Watt
Quebec was the better team and scored a goal, but it was disallowed.
Final Score: 0-0
Rosters
Quebec: A. Colley in goal, W. Scott at Back, A.E. Scott and R. Davidson at Half-Back, F. Ashe, A. Swift, F. Ashe at forward
Victorias: Watt in goal, Charles Lamothe at Back, E. Sheppard and J. Muir at Half-Back, E. Stevenson, Abbott, J. Arnton at forward
Carnival Game #2: Victorias vs McGill, 27 January 1883
Final Score: 1-0 McGill
Rosters
Victorias: Ashe, Myles, Arnton, Sheppard, Stevenson, Muir, Watt
McGill: Kinloch, Smith, Foster, Low, Green, Murray, Elder
Carnival Game #3: McGill vs Quebec, 27 January 1883
“The play of Messrs. W.E. Scott, A. Swift, F. Ashe, R. Davidson, and A. Scott was very much admired, especially that of Mr. W.B. Scott. On the McGill side those who are especially deserving of mention are Messrs. Murray, Foster, Elder, Green and Smith”
Final Score: 2-2
Rosters
Quebec: A.W. Colley in goal, WB Scott at Back, AE Scott and R. Davidson at Half-Back, A. Swift and A. Swift (almost certainly a typo- I think it should be Valier) at forward, F. Ashe at centre forward
McGill: A.P. Low in goal, J. Elder at Back, P. Foster and F. Green at Half-Back, J. Kinloch, R.F. Smith at forward, W.L. Murray at centre forward
Exhibition Game: Quebec vs Victorias, 27 January 1883
“On the Quebec side Ashe, Scott and Swift made some beautiful play, but failed to pass the Victoria backs. Watt in goal played beautifully, stopping many shots almost in the goal line”
“The play of the following gentlemen is especially worthy of mention: Scott, R. Davidson, E. Valliere, Swift and Ashe for Quebec, and of Arnton, Shepherd, Lamothe and Stevenson for the Victorias”
“For the Montrealers, Shepherd, Arnton, Muir and Stevenson deserve special mention, as do also Scott, Davidson, Colley and Swift for the Quebec club”
Final Score: 1-1
Rosters
Quebec: W. Scott, F. Ashe, A. Scott, Swift, Colley, Valier, Davidson
Victorias: Lamothe, Dunn, Arnton, Sheppard, Stevenson, Muir, Watt
1884
Game #1: McGill vs Victorias, 14 January 1884
Final Score: 1-0 McGill
Game #2: McGill vs Crystals, 16 January 1884
Final Score: 2-0 McGill
Game #3: Victorias vs Crystals, 28 January 1884
Final Score: 7-2 Victorias
Crystals: J. Finlay in goal, J. Stewart at point, R. Laing at center (means cover at this point), D. Labonte, G. Barlow, G. McCaffrey, J. McCabe at forward
Victorias: E. Shepherd in goal, J. Arnton at point, A. Shearer at center (means cover), Joseph Muir, E. Stephenson, F. Larmonth, Foster at forward
Goals
Crystals: McCabe (No assists), McCaffrey (No assists)
Victorias: Larmonth (No assists), Muir (No assists), Muir (No assists), Muir (No assists), (No assists), Arnton (No assists), Arnton (No assists)
Tournament Game #1: McGill vs Victorias, 4 February 1884
The ice surface is massive- 250 feet long by 124 feet wide
“...for Arnton came down in his usual dodging style, passing Budden and Craven and sending the rubber to Stevenson who was in front of the College goal, and in a second the latter had it through”
“Hutchinson saved his goal in good style, Elder is playing like three men, and so is Budden and Craven, but the swiftness and sure hitting of Arnton, Ash, Shepherd and Shearer, with the capital goal-keeping of Dunne, proves too much for the assault of the McGill men”
“...but Elder, as point, was simply impregnable”
“Elder and Ogilvie were decidedly the strongest men on the McGill team, while Ash, Muir and Shearer did some good work for the Victorias”
Budden scored a goal that was disallowed. McGill refused to continue playing.
Final Score: 1-0 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: G. Dunne in goal, J. Arnton at point or cover, E. Shepherd at Cover or Forward, Shearer at Point or forward, Stevenson at centre, Ash and Muir at forward
McGill: Hutchinson in goal, Elder at point, Ogilvie at center, Budden, Craven, Brown, Fairbanks at forward
Goals
Victorias: Stevenson (Arnton)
Tournament Game #2: Crystals vs Wanderers, 5 February 1884
“Virtue, as goal-keeper however, proved impregnable. Laing and McCabe also did some good work. Gough, Abbott and McLeo, also rendered effective service for the Wanderers”
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
Rosters
Wanderers: A. Kohl in goal, E. Gough at point or forward, R. Campbell at point or forward, Abbott at centre, Hamilton, R. McLEod, C.A. Lawford at forward
Crystals: Virtue in goal, Stewart at point, R. Laing at centre or forward, McCaffrey at centre or forward, McCabe, Barlow, O’Neil at forward
Goal
Crystals: McCabe or McCaffrey (No assists)
Tournament Game #3: McGill vs Ottawa, 7 February 1884
“Time and again Green saved the goals of his side”
“Some very fine play was exhibited by Kirby, Kerr, and Young for the visitors, and Elder, Ogilvie and Brown for the home team during the first half hour’s play”
“Some long runs for goal were made by Gallager, Green, and Kirby, but the defence of Hutchinson in the goal and Alder as point was impregnable. The goal keeping of Lowe for Ottawa was also excellent”
Final Score: 1-0 McGill
Rosters
McGill: Hutchinson in goal, Elder at point, Ogilvie at center, Budden, Craven, Brown, H.D. Johnson at forward
Ottawa: A.P. Low in goal, J. Kerr at point, Green at center, Jenkins at center, H. Kirby, F.L. Gallagher, W. Young at forward
Goals
McGill: Ogilvie (No assists)
Tournament Game #4: Ottawa vs Victorias, 8 February 1884
“Green, the Ottawa’s goal man, was a tower of strength, while Arnton, Ashe and Brown for the Vic’s did good work”
“Arnton, Brown and Weaver made matters lively for the ‘boys’ from the capital, but Green, who held the Ottawa’s goal, was like a stone wall, and strive as the Victorias might they were unable to get the ball past him”
“Arnton, Dunn and Ashe were particularly strong on the home team, while Kirby, Green and Jenkins i good work for the visitors”
Final Score: 1-0 Ottawa
Rosters
Victorias: Dunne in goal, J. Arnton at point, Shepherd at cover, Myles at center, Shearer, Ashe, Muir at forward
Ottawa: Lowe in goal, Kerr at point, Jenkins at center, Kirby, Gallagher, Porter at forward, Green at forward or Goal
Goals
Ottawa: Porter
Tournament Game #5: McGill vs Ottawa, 9 February 1884
Final Score: 3-0 Ottawa
Rosters
McGill: Hutchinson in goal, Elder at point, Budden, Craven, Brown, H.D. Johnson, Ogilvie at forward
Ottawa: Green in goal, Kerr at point, Law at UNK, Jenkins, Kirby, Gallagher, Young at forward
Goals
Ottawa: Jenkins (No assists), Jenkins (No assists), UNK (No assists)
Tournament Game #6: Crystals vs Victorias, 9 February 1884
Final Score: 2-0 Victorias
Rosters
Crystals: Bonte
Victorias: Ashe
Tournament Game #7: Ottawa vs Victorias, 11 February 1884
Some interesting talk about the state of the game. Too much like shinty, the need for a square puck to do away with lifting, etc.
“Green, Jenkins, and Kirby doing yeoman’s work for the Ottawas, while Arnton, Shepherd, Brown, Muir and Ashe did the same for the Victorias”
“Muir and Arnton of the Vic’s were a power of strength in themselves”
Final Score: 1-0 Victorias
Rosters
Ottawa: Green, Jenkins, Kirby
Victorias: Arnton, Shepherd, Brown, Muir, Ashe, Myles
Goals
Victorias: Myles (No assists)
Game 3: Quebec HC vs No. 4 Company, 20 February 1884
“Notwithstanding the strong play of No. 4 the first game was taken by the World as the Hockey Club were called, because they had the power of taking any who would to help them”
“The goal keepers of both sides had a lively time- Colley for No. 4 and Patton for World; both received great praise from the spectators”
“The rubber during the first game was kept pretty well down by No. 4, when Swift, of the World, who is an excellent player…”
“The excitement because intense ; Scott, Davidson, Colley, Baldwin playing a very strong game for No. 4, and Swift, Miller, Vanfelson and Hamilton for the World”
Final Score: 2-1 No. 4
Rosters
Quebec: Patton (goal), Swift, Miller, Vanfelson, Hamilton
No. 4: Colley (goal), Scott, Davidson, Baldwin
Goals
Quebec: Swift (No assists)
No. 4: UNK (No assists), UNK (No assists)
Game 4: Crystals vs Victorias, 3 March 1884
Final Score: 2-0 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: G. Dunn in goal, J. Arnton at point, A. Shearer at center, E. Shepherd, F. Larmonth, J. Ashe, E. Stevenson at forward
Crystals: J. Findlay in goal, J. Stewart at point, R. Laing at center, D. Labonte, E. Barlow, E. McCaffrey, J. McCabe
Game 5: Quebec HC vs No. 4 Company, 5 March 1884
“...the Quebec Hockey Club made several very dangerous and determined onslaughts upon the goals of No. 4, but ‘Brick Wall’ Colley (of Lacrosse fame) seemed to be here, there and everywhere to prevent the puck from going between the poles; the same might also be said of Patton, goal keeper for the Quebec Hockey Club”
“For the Quebec Hockey Club, C. Miller, Point and Captain, saved many a goal for his side; Swift, Valliere and Hamilton also did good work”
“For No. 4 Company, ‘Bob’ Davidson played a magnificent game, taking the puck time and again from one end of the Rink to the other, evoking tremendous applause from the spectators; Baldwin and W.B. Scott, Point and Captain, were invulnerable upon the defence for their side”
Final Score: 2-1 No. 4
Rosters
Quebec: Patton (Goal), C. Miller (Point), Swift, Valliere, Hamilton
No. 4: Colley (Goal), W.B. Scott (Point), Baldwin (Defense), Bob Davidson
Goals
Quebec: Swift (No assists)
No. 4: UNK (No assists), UNK (No assists)
Game 6: McGill vs Crystals, 14 March 1884
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
Final Score: 1-0 McGill
Game #2: McGill vs Crystals, 16 January 1884
Final Score: 2-0 McGill
Game #3: Victorias vs Crystals, 28 January 1884
Final Score: 7-2 Victorias
Crystals: J. Finlay in goal, J. Stewart at point, R. Laing at center (means cover at this point), D. Labonte, G. Barlow, G. McCaffrey, J. McCabe at forward
Victorias: E. Shepherd in goal, J. Arnton at point, A. Shearer at center (means cover), Joseph Muir, E. Stephenson, F. Larmonth, Foster at forward
Goals
Crystals: McCabe (No assists), McCaffrey (No assists)
Victorias: Larmonth (No assists), Muir (No assists), Muir (No assists), Muir (No assists), (No assists), Arnton (No assists), Arnton (No assists)
Tournament Game #1: McGill vs Victorias, 4 February 1884
The ice surface is massive- 250 feet long by 124 feet wide
“...for Arnton came down in his usual dodging style, passing Budden and Craven and sending the rubber to Stevenson who was in front of the College goal, and in a second the latter had it through”
“Hutchinson saved his goal in good style, Elder is playing like three men, and so is Budden and Craven, but the swiftness and sure hitting of Arnton, Ash, Shepherd and Shearer, with the capital goal-keeping of Dunne, proves too much for the assault of the McGill men”
“...but Elder, as point, was simply impregnable”
“Elder and Ogilvie were decidedly the strongest men on the McGill team, while Ash, Muir and Shearer did some good work for the Victorias”
Budden scored a goal that was disallowed. McGill refused to continue playing.
Final Score: 1-0 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: G. Dunne in goal, J. Arnton at point or cover, E. Shepherd at Cover or Forward, Shearer at Point or forward, Stevenson at centre, Ash and Muir at forward
McGill: Hutchinson in goal, Elder at point, Ogilvie at center, Budden, Craven, Brown, Fairbanks at forward
Goals
Victorias: Stevenson (Arnton)
Tournament Game #2: Crystals vs Wanderers, 5 February 1884
“Virtue, as goal-keeper however, proved impregnable. Laing and McCabe also did some good work. Gough, Abbott and McLeo, also rendered effective service for the Wanderers”
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
Rosters
Wanderers: A. Kohl in goal, E. Gough at point or forward, R. Campbell at point or forward, Abbott at centre, Hamilton, R. McLEod, C.A. Lawford at forward
Crystals: Virtue in goal, Stewart at point, R. Laing at centre or forward, McCaffrey at centre or forward, McCabe, Barlow, O’Neil at forward
Goal
Crystals: McCabe or McCaffrey (No assists)
Tournament Game #3: McGill vs Ottawa, 7 February 1884
“Time and again Green saved the goals of his side”
“Some very fine play was exhibited by Kirby, Kerr, and Young for the visitors, and Elder, Ogilvie and Brown for the home team during the first half hour’s play”
“Some long runs for goal were made by Gallager, Green, and Kirby, but the defence of Hutchinson in the goal and Alder as point was impregnable. The goal keeping of Lowe for Ottawa was also excellent”
Final Score: 1-0 McGill
Rosters
McGill: Hutchinson in goal, Elder at point, Ogilvie at center, Budden, Craven, Brown, H.D. Johnson at forward
Ottawa: A.P. Low in goal, J. Kerr at point, Green at center, Jenkins at center, H. Kirby, F.L. Gallagher, W. Young at forward
Goals
McGill: Ogilvie (No assists)
Tournament Game #4: Ottawa vs Victorias, 8 February 1884
“Green, the Ottawa’s goal man, was a tower of strength, while Arnton, Ashe and Brown for the Vic’s did good work”
“Arnton, Brown and Weaver made matters lively for the ‘boys’ from the capital, but Green, who held the Ottawa’s goal, was like a stone wall, and strive as the Victorias might they were unable to get the ball past him”
“Arnton, Dunn and Ashe were particularly strong on the home team, while Kirby, Green and Jenkins i good work for the visitors”
Final Score: 1-0 Ottawa
Rosters
Victorias: Dunne in goal, J. Arnton at point, Shepherd at cover, Myles at center, Shearer, Ashe, Muir at forward
Ottawa: Lowe in goal, Kerr at point, Jenkins at center, Kirby, Gallagher, Porter at forward, Green at forward or Goal
Goals
Ottawa: Porter
Tournament Game #5: McGill vs Ottawa, 9 February 1884
Final Score: 3-0 Ottawa
Rosters
McGill: Hutchinson in goal, Elder at point, Budden, Craven, Brown, H.D. Johnson, Ogilvie at forward
Ottawa: Green in goal, Kerr at point, Law at UNK, Jenkins, Kirby, Gallagher, Young at forward
Goals
Ottawa: Jenkins (No assists), Jenkins (No assists), UNK (No assists)
Tournament Game #6: Crystals vs Victorias, 9 February 1884
Final Score: 2-0 Victorias
Rosters
Crystals: Bonte
Victorias: Ashe
Tournament Game #7: Ottawa vs Victorias, 11 February 1884
Some interesting talk about the state of the game. Too much like shinty, the need for a square puck to do away with lifting, etc.
“Green, Jenkins, and Kirby doing yeoman’s work for the Ottawas, while Arnton, Shepherd, Brown, Muir and Ashe did the same for the Victorias”
“Muir and Arnton of the Vic’s were a power of strength in themselves”
Final Score: 1-0 Victorias
Rosters
Ottawa: Green, Jenkins, Kirby
Victorias: Arnton, Shepherd, Brown, Muir, Ashe, Myles
Goals
Victorias: Myles (No assists)
Game 3: Quebec HC vs No. 4 Company, 20 February 1884
“Notwithstanding the strong play of No. 4 the first game was taken by the World as the Hockey Club were called, because they had the power of taking any who would to help them”
“The goal keepers of both sides had a lively time- Colley for No. 4 and Patton for World; both received great praise from the spectators”
“The rubber during the first game was kept pretty well down by No. 4, when Swift, of the World, who is an excellent player…”
“The excitement because intense ; Scott, Davidson, Colley, Baldwin playing a very strong game for No. 4, and Swift, Miller, Vanfelson and Hamilton for the World”
Final Score: 2-1 No. 4
Rosters
Quebec: Patton (goal), Swift, Miller, Vanfelson, Hamilton
No. 4: Colley (goal), Scott, Davidson, Baldwin
Goals
Quebec: Swift (No assists)
No. 4: UNK (No assists), UNK (No assists)
Game 4: Crystals vs Victorias, 3 March 1884
Final Score: 2-0 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: G. Dunn in goal, J. Arnton at point, A. Shearer at center, E. Shepherd, F. Larmonth, J. Ashe, E. Stevenson at forward
Crystals: J. Findlay in goal, J. Stewart at point, R. Laing at center, D. Labonte, E. Barlow, E. McCaffrey, J. McCabe
Game 5: Quebec HC vs No. 4 Company, 5 March 1884
“...the Quebec Hockey Club made several very dangerous and determined onslaughts upon the goals of No. 4, but ‘Brick Wall’ Colley (of Lacrosse fame) seemed to be here, there and everywhere to prevent the puck from going between the poles; the same might also be said of Patton, goal keeper for the Quebec Hockey Club”
“For the Quebec Hockey Club, C. Miller, Point and Captain, saved many a goal for his side; Swift, Valliere and Hamilton also did good work”
“For No. 4 Company, ‘Bob’ Davidson played a magnificent game, taking the puck time and again from one end of the Rink to the other, evoking tremendous applause from the spectators; Baldwin and W.B. Scott, Point and Captain, were invulnerable upon the defence for their side”
Final Score: 2-1 No. 4
Rosters
Quebec: Patton (Goal), C. Miller (Point), Swift, Valliere, Hamilton
No. 4: Colley (Goal), W.B. Scott (Point), Baldwin (Defense), Bob Davidson
Goals
Quebec: Swift (No assists)
No. 4: UNK (No assists), UNK (No assists)
Game 6: McGill vs Crystals, 14 March 1884
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
1885
According to The Gazette, 15 December 1884, a group of hockey clubs discussed creating a league of sorts since the Winter Carnival would not feature hockey. The article states that there are “six first-class clubs in [Montreal] besides two from Quebec and Ottawa”. A prize of $100 was discussed for the winning club. Apparently, Montreal, the Crystals, and Victorias had already begun scheduling games.
Game #1: Victorias vs Crystals, 16 January 1885
As a disclaimer- the actual game summary doesn’t include rosters. An article from the day of the game gives the roster that I use here.
Final Score: 3-1 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: E. Sheppard in goal, J. Arnton at point, A. Shaver at cover, J. Craven, J. Muir, E. Monk at forward
Crystals: W. Hutchison in goal, J. Stewart at point, A. Cameron at cover, J. Findlay, A.J. Ritchie, J. McGoldrick, and E. McCaffrey at forward
Goals
Crystals: UNK
Victorias: J. Arnton, UNK, UNK
Game #2: McGill vs M.A.A.A., 20 January 1885
Final Score: 2-1 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
M.A.A.A.: T.L. Paton, F. Larmonth, W.D. Aird, D. McIntyre, R.F. Smith, W. Hodgson, F.W. Barlow
McGill: G.W.Stephens Jr., J. Elder, H.D. Johnson, J.A. Kinloch, C.F. Wilde, C.P. Brown, H.A. Budden
Carnival Game #1: Ottawa vs Victorias, 27 January 1885
Final Score: 3-1 Ottawa
Ottawas: W. Odell in goal, F. Jenkins at point, C. Green at cover, Currier, J. Kirby, H. Kirby, and T. Gallagher at forward
Victorias: Shaver in goal, J. Arnton at point, E. Sheppard at cover, E. Barlow, A. Swift, J. Craven, and J. Muir at forward
Goals
Ottawa: Gallagher, UNK, Kirby
Victorias: Muir
Carnival Game #2: Montreal Football Club vs M.A.A.A., 28 January 1885
Interestingly, it looks like MFC was forced to play a man down the entire game.
“Paton, in goal for the champions, however, was a tower of strength and time after time raised the prospects of his side as he swiped the puck from its dangerous position”
Final Score: 6-1
Montreal: Paton in goal, Larmouth at point, Aird at cover, D. McIntyre, W. Hodgson, Smith, and F. Barlow at forward
MFC: W. Cleghorn in goal, R. Campbell at point, J. Campbell at cover, R. Stirling, A. Elliott, and L. Robinson at forward
Goals
MAAA: Barlow, Barlow, McIntyre, UNK, UNK
MFC: J. Campbell
Carnival Game #3: McGill vs Crystals, 29 January 1885
“Brown, Kinloch and Budden made some good play for McGill, while on the Crystal team Stewart, Cameron, and Hutchison showed up well”
Final Score: 2-0 or 2-1 McGill
Rosters
Crystals: Hutchison in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at cover, D. Laporte, E. MCCaffrey, J. Findlay, and R. Lang at forward
McGill: G.W. Stephens in goal, J.N. Elder at point, H.A. Budden at cover, R.E. Palmer, J.A. Kinloch, H.D. Johnston, C.P. Brown at forward
Goals
McGill: Kinloch, Brown
Crystals: Disputed UNK
Carnival Game #4: Ottawa vs M.A.A.A., 30-31 January 1885
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Montreal: Paton in goal, Fred Larmouth at point, F. Barlow at cover, W. Hodgson, W. Aird, Duncan McIntyre, and R.S. Smith at forward
Ottawa: W. Odell in goal, J. Kerr at point, T. Jenkins at cover, T.D. Green at cover, H. Kirby, T. Gallagher, and G. Currier at forward
Goals
MAAA: Aird
Carnival Game #5: McGill vs M.A.A.A., 31 January 1885
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
MAAA: Paton in goal, WD Aird, Frederick Marmonth, F. Barlow, Duncan McIntyre, William Hodgson, R.S. Smith
McGill: G.W. Stephens, J.M. Elder, H.A. Budden, J.A. Kinloch, H.D. Johnson, R.E. Palmer, C.P. Brown
Game #3: Victoria vs M.A.A.A., 6 February 1885
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Montreal: Paton in goal, Larmouth at point, Aird at cover, Smith, McIntyre, Hodgson, and Barlow at forward
Victorias: Shepherd in goal, Shearer at point, Arnton at cover, Barlow, Craven, Swift, and Muir at forward
Exhibition Game: Crystal vs Victoria, 17 March 1885
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals.
Rosters
Crystals: Findlay in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at cover, Hutchison, Ritchie, McGoldrick, McCaffrey at forward
Victorias: Monk in goal, Shearer at point, Arnton at cover, Sheppard, Craven, Barlow, and Swift at forward
Goals
Crystals: Ritchie
Game #1: Victorias vs Crystals, 16 January 1885
As a disclaimer- the actual game summary doesn’t include rosters. An article from the day of the game gives the roster that I use here.
Final Score: 3-1 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: E. Sheppard in goal, J. Arnton at point, A. Shaver at cover, J. Craven, J. Muir, E. Monk at forward
Crystals: W. Hutchison in goal, J. Stewart at point, A. Cameron at cover, J. Findlay, A.J. Ritchie, J. McGoldrick, and E. McCaffrey at forward
Goals
Crystals: UNK
Victorias: J. Arnton, UNK, UNK
Game #2: McGill vs M.A.A.A., 20 January 1885
Final Score: 2-1 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
M.A.A.A.: T.L. Paton, F. Larmonth, W.D. Aird, D. McIntyre, R.F. Smith, W. Hodgson, F.W. Barlow
McGill: G.W.Stephens Jr., J. Elder, H.D. Johnson, J.A. Kinloch, C.F. Wilde, C.P. Brown, H.A. Budden
Carnival Game #1: Ottawa vs Victorias, 27 January 1885
Final Score: 3-1 Ottawa
Ottawas: W. Odell in goal, F. Jenkins at point, C. Green at cover, Currier, J. Kirby, H. Kirby, and T. Gallagher at forward
Victorias: Shaver in goal, J. Arnton at point, E. Sheppard at cover, E. Barlow, A. Swift, J. Craven, and J. Muir at forward
Goals
Ottawa: Gallagher, UNK, Kirby
Victorias: Muir
Carnival Game #2: Montreal Football Club vs M.A.A.A., 28 January 1885
Interestingly, it looks like MFC was forced to play a man down the entire game.
“Paton, in goal for the champions, however, was a tower of strength and time after time raised the prospects of his side as he swiped the puck from its dangerous position”
Final Score: 6-1
Montreal: Paton in goal, Larmouth at point, Aird at cover, D. McIntyre, W. Hodgson, Smith, and F. Barlow at forward
MFC: W. Cleghorn in goal, R. Campbell at point, J. Campbell at cover, R. Stirling, A. Elliott, and L. Robinson at forward
Goals
MAAA: Barlow, Barlow, McIntyre, UNK, UNK
MFC: J. Campbell
Carnival Game #3: McGill vs Crystals, 29 January 1885
“Brown, Kinloch and Budden made some good play for McGill, while on the Crystal team Stewart, Cameron, and Hutchison showed up well”
Final Score: 2-0 or 2-1 McGill
Rosters
Crystals: Hutchison in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at cover, D. Laporte, E. MCCaffrey, J. Findlay, and R. Lang at forward
McGill: G.W. Stephens in goal, J.N. Elder at point, H.A. Budden at cover, R.E. Palmer, J.A. Kinloch, H.D. Johnston, C.P. Brown at forward
Goals
McGill: Kinloch, Brown
Crystals: Disputed UNK
Carnival Game #4: Ottawa vs M.A.A.A., 30-31 January 1885
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Montreal: Paton in goal, Fred Larmouth at point, F. Barlow at cover, W. Hodgson, W. Aird, Duncan McIntyre, and R.S. Smith at forward
Ottawa: W. Odell in goal, J. Kerr at point, T. Jenkins at cover, T.D. Green at cover, H. Kirby, T. Gallagher, and G. Currier at forward
Goals
MAAA: Aird
Carnival Game #5: McGill vs M.A.A.A., 31 January 1885
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
MAAA: Paton in goal, WD Aird, Frederick Marmonth, F. Barlow, Duncan McIntyre, William Hodgson, R.S. Smith
McGill: G.W. Stephens, J.M. Elder, H.A. Budden, J.A. Kinloch, H.D. Johnson, R.E. Palmer, C.P. Brown
Game #3: Victoria vs M.A.A.A., 6 February 1885
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Montreal: Paton in goal, Larmouth at point, Aird at cover, Smith, McIntyre, Hodgson, and Barlow at forward
Victorias: Shepherd in goal, Shearer at point, Arnton at cover, Barlow, Craven, Swift, and Muir at forward
Exhibition Game: Crystal vs Victoria, 17 March 1885
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals.
Rosters
Crystals: Findlay in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at cover, Hutchison, Ritchie, McGoldrick, McCaffrey at forward
Victorias: Monk in goal, Shearer at point, Arnton at cover, Sheppard, Craven, Barlow, and Swift at forward
Goals
Crystals: Ritchie
1886
On 5, 6, 7, and 8 January, both the Montreal Star and Gazette discussed the creation of a tournament, wherein there would be a game scheduled each week. The Crystals and McGill would play a best of 3 series, the M.A.A.A. and VIctorias would play a best of 3 series, and the winner of each series would then play each other in a best of 3 series. The winner of the tournament would receive an $80 trophy. Quebec HC then challenged the winners for the “Championship of Canada”. There was also a post-season exhibition match between QHC and the Victorias, as well as a post-season Crystals vs Victorias game.
According to the Montreal Herald 5 January 1886, M.A.A.A. was the champion from 1885.
Game #1: McGill vs Crystals, 15 January 1886
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
Rosters
McGill: Stephens in goal, William Brown at point, Wilde at cover, William Hamilton, H.A. Buden, Weird, and Palmer (replaced by May) at forward
Crystals: William Hutchinson in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at cover, M. McGoldrick, J. McGoldrick, R. Laing at forward, John Findlay at UNK, D. Elliott as a sub
Goals
Crystals: Findlay
Game #2: Victorias vs M.A.A.A., 22 January 1886
Final Score: 1-0 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: Watt in goal, T. Arnton at point, J. Muir at center, J. Craven, T> Barlow, A. Shearer, J. Arnton at forward
MAAA: Paton in goal, Larmont at point, W. Hodgson at center, R. Smith, Lowe, F. Barlow, D. McIntyre at forward
Goal
Victorias: J. Arnton
Exhibition Game #1: McGill vs Victorias, 25 January 1886
“During the evening Messs. Barlow, Craven, and Jack Arnton distinguished themselves by magnificent play”
Final Score: 8-0 Victorias
Game #3: McGill vs Crystals, 29 January 1886
Final Score: 4-1 Crystals
Rosters
McGill: Weir in goal, Brown at point, Stephens at center, Budden, Wilde, Hamilton, Palmer at forward
Crystals: W. Virtue in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at center, Laing, Hutchinson, Findlay, McGoldrick at forward
Goals
McGill: Brown
Crystals: J. McGoldrick, J. McGoldrick, J. McGoldrick, Laing
Game #4: Victorias vs M.A.A.A., 5 February 1886
“The Montreal team was strengthened by W. Aird”
“For the Montrealers, Larmonth, Barlow, and McIntyre were conspicuous for good play, as were J. Arnton, T. Arnton, A. Shearer, and E. Barlow for the Vics”
“The M.A.A.A. men, who were in capital trim, started in with a determination to wipe out the defeat of two weeks ago, while the Victorias, who were in anything but good form, went in minus one of their best men, Mr. J. Craven, whose place had to be filled by Mr. Stevenson, one of their reserves”
Face taken by J. Arnton and McIntyre
“Billy Aird, however, capture it, bearing it well up the rink. E. Barlow and Spencer made a break for its possession, but Billy was too quick for them, and just as they reached him he skillfully passed it to McIntyre”
“..marked by the splendid play of Aird and McIntyre”
Final Score: 3-1 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Victorias: Watt in goal, T. Arnton at point, Muir at centre, Shearer, J. Arnton, Stevenson, E. Barlow at forward
MAAA: T. Paton in goal, F. Larmont at point, W. Aird at centre, W. Hodgson, R. Smith, D. McIntyre, F. Barlow at forward
Goals
Victorias: Jack Arnton
MAAA: McIntyre, McIntyre, Hodgson
Game #5: Victorias vs M.A.A.A., 12 February 1886
J. Arnton and D. McIntyre did the face
“The Vics were evidently in hard luck. Time after time Jack Arnton, the inimitable, made splendid shots for goal, but some accident always prevented the puck from going through. Ed. Barlow and Cravin were here, there and everywhere. Their splendid play elicited round after round of applause, but their efforts availed them naught”
“For the Amateurs, Aird, McIntyre and Barlow were towers of strength”
Final Score: 2-1 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Victorias: Watt in goal, T. Arnton at point, J. Muir at centre, E. Stevenson, E. Barlow, J. Craven, J. Arnton at forward
MAAA: T.L. Paton in goal, Learmonth at point, W.. Aird at centre, R. Smith, D. McIntyre, F. Barlow, W. Hodgson at forward
Goals
MAAA: Smith, Aird (McIntyre)
Victorias: J. Arnton
Game #6: Crystals vs M.A.A.A., 19 February 1886
“After resuming, the chief features of the game, prior to ‘half time’, which was shortly after called, was the brilliant play of Cameron, apart from his decidedly questionable bodychecking; and, the smart goal keeping of Paton, who had to do all he knew to stop some nasty shots by the last named player”
“The Montreal team were the same that Capt. Larmont has so often led to victory. But in the Crystal team some changes had been made. The principal one was the bringing out of Virtue, a comparatively untried player. This move was a wise one, as he proved to be a giant with the stick, and played hockey like a professional, being here there and everywhere. At point we missed the tall form of Jim Stewart, but his place was ably filled by Ed. McCaffrey, who time and again saved a threatened goal and sent the puck flying to safer quarters”
“It was remarked that the Montrealers, as a team, were playing wretchedly, but the individual play of Messrs. Aird, McINtyre, Barlow and Smith was, as usual, away up. For the Crystal, every man was playing a whole game. J.A. Findlay, Laing, Virtue and Joe McGoldrick were making it real warm for their opponents, while Allan Cameron was playing as if he was the whole team himself”
Final Score: 3-0 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: W. Hutchison in goal, E. MCCaffrey at point, A. Cameron at center, R. Laing, J.Findlay, J. McGoldrick, J. Virtue at forward
MAAA: Paton in goal, F. Larmonth at point, WD Aird at center, W. Hodgson, D. McIntyre, F. Barlow, R. Smith at forward
Crystals: J. Findlay, Findlay or Virtue (Laing), Laing (Cameron)
Carnival Game #1: M.A.A.A. vs Montreal Crystals, 26 February 1886
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Crystals: Cameron in goal, Findlay at point, McCaffrey, J. McGoldrick, W. Hutchinson, J. Virtue at forward, R. Laing at captain
MAAA: Paton in goal, Low at point, McIntyre at cover, Barlow, Crispo, W Hodgson, R. Smith at forward, F. Larmoth as captain
Goals
MAAA: Smith
Carnival Game #2: M.A.A.A. vs Van Ness House HC, 26 February 1886
Final Score: 3-0 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Van Ness: LC Johnson in goal, CH Whitcomb at point, MA Kilvert at cover, WH Waters, ES Griffing, Howard Crane, W. Laduke at forward
MAAA: Paton in goal, Low at point, McIntyre at cover, Barlow, Crispo, Hodgson, Smith at forward, . Larmoth as captain
Goals
MAAA: Hodgson, Smith, Crispo
Carnival Game #3: Van Ness House HC vs Montreal Crystals, 26 February 1886
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: Cameron in goal, Findlay at point, R. Laing as captain, McCaffrey, McGoldrick, Hutchinson, J. Virtue at forward
Van Ness: LC Johnson in goal, CH Whitcomb at point, MA Kilvert at cover, WH Waters, ES Griffing, Howard Crane, W. Laduke at forward
Goals
Crystals: McGoldrick
Game #7: Crystals vs M.A.A.A., 5 March 1886
“For the M.A.A.A. all showed up in turns; for the Crystal the captain, Virtue and Cameron deserve special mention”
Crystals called Champions of Canada ; Montreal had previously held the title
Laing and Aird did the face
“For the M.A.A.A. men, Messrs. Aird, McIntyre, Barlow and Larmonth were doing splendidly, R. Smith was playing for all he was worth and was the cause of repeated calls of foul”
“Smith, the irrepressible, takes another goal”
“Joe McGoldrick, the lightning forward, scores another game”
“Allan Cameron is playing like himself and the men who rush him sit down with ‘thanks, not any more of that’”
Final Score: 4-2 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: Hutchinson in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at center, Laing, Virtue, Findlay, McGoldrick at forward
MAAA: R. White in goal, Learmonth at point, Aird at center, McIntyre, Hodgson, Smith, Barlow at forward
MAAA: Hodgson, Smith
Crystals: Findlay, McGoldrick, McGoldrick, McGoldrick
Exhibition Game #2: Crystals vs M.A.A.A., 15 March 1886
“During the game the players who particularly distinguished themselves were, for the M.A.A.A., Messrs. Lowe, Hodgson, and McIntyre, and for the Crystals, Cameron, McGoldrick, Findley and Stewart, although the whole team played in splendid form”
Final Score: 5-0 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: W. Hutchison in goal, J. Stewart at pint, Cameron at centre, Laing, Virtue, Findlay, McGoldrick at forward
MAAA: Lockerby in goal, Crispo at point, Lowe at centre, McIntyre, Barlow, Hodgson, Smith at forward
Goals- Unknown order
Crystals: Virtue, Virtue, Laing, McGoldrick, Findlay
Championship Game #1: Crystals vs Quebec HC, 19 March 1886
“Of the Quebec team, Ashe, the Scotts and Swift played remarkably good hockey, the dodgy running of the first named frequently eliciting loud cheers from the lookers on. For the home team Laing played a consistently good game”
Final Score: Unknown- Crystals awarded the win after 28 minutes of play. A.E. Scott was injured, the Crystals refused to drop a player, and “as these representatives of a so-called first class hockey team were the sole possessors of the ice when ‘time’ was called, the referee declared the game ended in favor of the Montreal men”
Rosters
Crystals: Stewart in goal, McGolrick, Virtue, findlay, Cameron, Hutchison, Laing
Quebec: W Scott, F Ashe, B. Patton in goal, A Swift, RJ Davidson, M.B. Colley, AE Scott
Exhibition Game #3: Quebec HC vs Victorias, 20 March 1886
“Where all played remarkably fine hockey it would be invidious to particularize, but it was evident that the advantage lay with the visitors (read: Quebec), who were the heavier men, and had, also, the pace of all the home team except J. Arnton. The Vics missed the goal keeper, Watts”
“Still, the Vics played a fine game, the playing of the Messrs. Arnton and Barlow being particularly good, while Ash of the Quebecers was conspicuous for his roughness and want of knowledge of the game”
Final Score: 4-1 Quebec
Rosters
Victorias: Tom Arnton in goal, J. Arnton at point, J. Craven at center, T. Barlow and A. Shearer at forward
Quebec: Patton in goal, Ash at point, Davidson at center, Colley and Swift at forward
Goals
Victorias: Craven or J. Arnton (Maybe J. Arnton), J. Arnton
Quebec: Ash, Davidson, UNK, UNK
Exhibition Game #4: Crystals vs Victorias, 24 March 1886
Also called a battle for the Championship- Victorias the champs?
Arnton and Laing did the face
“On the Crystal side Laing, Findley, Virtue and McGoldrick were playing a magnificent game, as were Shearer, Craven and Barlow of the Vics. Jack Arnton was taking things quietly, and was paying more attention to the direction of his team than to his own play”
“Jack Arnton began to show his magnificent play which he had apparently held in reserve during the first half”
“Findlay, Cameron, and McGoldrick were conspicuous for the home team and did excellent work”
“Even at this early stage of the game, Barlow, Craven and Shearer and shown up well, the others, and especially J. Arnton, being a little weak”
“In the play off of a third half hour the Victorias were all over the Crystals, Jack Arnton being specially good”
Final Score: 4-1 Victorias
Rosters
Crystals: Hutchison in goal, J. Stewart at point, A. Cameron at center, J. McGoldrick, J. Findlay, Virtue, Laing
Victorias: T. Arnton in goal, J. Muir at point, Stevenson, J. Craven, W. Barlow, J. Arnton, A. Shearer at point
Goals
Crystals: Findlay
Victorias: W. Barlow, W. Barlow, Craven, Shearer
According to the Montreal Herald 5 January 1886, M.A.A.A. was the champion from 1885.
Game #1: McGill vs Crystals, 15 January 1886
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
Rosters
McGill: Stephens in goal, William Brown at point, Wilde at cover, William Hamilton, H.A. Buden, Weird, and Palmer (replaced by May) at forward
Crystals: William Hutchinson in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at cover, M. McGoldrick, J. McGoldrick, R. Laing at forward, John Findlay at UNK, D. Elliott as a sub
Goals
Crystals: Findlay
Game #2: Victorias vs M.A.A.A., 22 January 1886
Final Score: 1-0 Victorias
Rosters
Victorias: Watt in goal, T. Arnton at point, J. Muir at center, J. Craven, T> Barlow, A. Shearer, J. Arnton at forward
MAAA: Paton in goal, Larmont at point, W. Hodgson at center, R. Smith, Lowe, F. Barlow, D. McIntyre at forward
Goal
Victorias: J. Arnton
Exhibition Game #1: McGill vs Victorias, 25 January 1886
“During the evening Messs. Barlow, Craven, and Jack Arnton distinguished themselves by magnificent play”
Final Score: 8-0 Victorias
Game #3: McGill vs Crystals, 29 January 1886
Final Score: 4-1 Crystals
Rosters
McGill: Weir in goal, Brown at point, Stephens at center, Budden, Wilde, Hamilton, Palmer at forward
Crystals: W. Virtue in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at center, Laing, Hutchinson, Findlay, McGoldrick at forward
Goals
McGill: Brown
Crystals: J. McGoldrick, J. McGoldrick, J. McGoldrick, Laing
Game #4: Victorias vs M.A.A.A., 5 February 1886
“The Montreal team was strengthened by W. Aird”
“For the Montrealers, Larmonth, Barlow, and McIntyre were conspicuous for good play, as were J. Arnton, T. Arnton, A. Shearer, and E. Barlow for the Vics”
“The M.A.A.A. men, who were in capital trim, started in with a determination to wipe out the defeat of two weeks ago, while the Victorias, who were in anything but good form, went in minus one of their best men, Mr. J. Craven, whose place had to be filled by Mr. Stevenson, one of their reserves”
Face taken by J. Arnton and McIntyre
“Billy Aird, however, capture it, bearing it well up the rink. E. Barlow and Spencer made a break for its possession, but Billy was too quick for them, and just as they reached him he skillfully passed it to McIntyre”
“..marked by the splendid play of Aird and McIntyre”
Final Score: 3-1 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Victorias: Watt in goal, T. Arnton at point, Muir at centre, Shearer, J. Arnton, Stevenson, E. Barlow at forward
MAAA: T. Paton in goal, F. Larmont at point, W. Aird at centre, W. Hodgson, R. Smith, D. McIntyre, F. Barlow at forward
Goals
Victorias: Jack Arnton
MAAA: McIntyre, McIntyre, Hodgson
Game #5: Victorias vs M.A.A.A., 12 February 1886
J. Arnton and D. McIntyre did the face
“The Vics were evidently in hard luck. Time after time Jack Arnton, the inimitable, made splendid shots for goal, but some accident always prevented the puck from going through. Ed. Barlow and Cravin were here, there and everywhere. Their splendid play elicited round after round of applause, but their efforts availed them naught”
“For the Amateurs, Aird, McIntyre and Barlow were towers of strength”
Final Score: 2-1 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Victorias: Watt in goal, T. Arnton at point, J. Muir at centre, E. Stevenson, E. Barlow, J. Craven, J. Arnton at forward
MAAA: T.L. Paton in goal, Learmonth at point, W.. Aird at centre, R. Smith, D. McIntyre, F. Barlow, W. Hodgson at forward
Goals
MAAA: Smith, Aird (McIntyre)
Victorias: J. Arnton
Game #6: Crystals vs M.A.A.A., 19 February 1886
“After resuming, the chief features of the game, prior to ‘half time’, which was shortly after called, was the brilliant play of Cameron, apart from his decidedly questionable bodychecking; and, the smart goal keeping of Paton, who had to do all he knew to stop some nasty shots by the last named player”
“The Montreal team were the same that Capt. Larmont has so often led to victory. But in the Crystal team some changes had been made. The principal one was the bringing out of Virtue, a comparatively untried player. This move was a wise one, as he proved to be a giant with the stick, and played hockey like a professional, being here there and everywhere. At point we missed the tall form of Jim Stewart, but his place was ably filled by Ed. McCaffrey, who time and again saved a threatened goal and sent the puck flying to safer quarters”
“It was remarked that the Montrealers, as a team, were playing wretchedly, but the individual play of Messrs. Aird, McINtyre, Barlow and Smith was, as usual, away up. For the Crystal, every man was playing a whole game. J.A. Findlay, Laing, Virtue and Joe McGoldrick were making it real warm for their opponents, while Allan Cameron was playing as if he was the whole team himself”
Final Score: 3-0 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: W. Hutchison in goal, E. MCCaffrey at point, A. Cameron at center, R. Laing, J.Findlay, J. McGoldrick, J. Virtue at forward
MAAA: Paton in goal, F. Larmonth at point, WD Aird at center, W. Hodgson, D. McIntyre, F. Barlow, R. Smith at forward
Crystals: J. Findlay, Findlay or Virtue (Laing), Laing (Cameron)
Carnival Game #1: M.A.A.A. vs Montreal Crystals, 26 February 1886
Final Score: 1-0 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Crystals: Cameron in goal, Findlay at point, McCaffrey, J. McGoldrick, W. Hutchinson, J. Virtue at forward, R. Laing at captain
MAAA: Paton in goal, Low at point, McIntyre at cover, Barlow, Crispo, W Hodgson, R. Smith at forward, F. Larmoth as captain
Goals
MAAA: Smith
Carnival Game #2: M.A.A.A. vs Van Ness House HC, 26 February 1886
Final Score: 3-0 M.A.A.A.
Rosters
Van Ness: LC Johnson in goal, CH Whitcomb at point, MA Kilvert at cover, WH Waters, ES Griffing, Howard Crane, W. Laduke at forward
MAAA: Paton in goal, Low at point, McIntyre at cover, Barlow, Crispo, Hodgson, Smith at forward, . Larmoth as captain
Goals
MAAA: Hodgson, Smith, Crispo
Carnival Game #3: Van Ness House HC vs Montreal Crystals, 26 February 1886
Final Score: 1-0 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: Cameron in goal, Findlay at point, R. Laing as captain, McCaffrey, McGoldrick, Hutchinson, J. Virtue at forward
Van Ness: LC Johnson in goal, CH Whitcomb at point, MA Kilvert at cover, WH Waters, ES Griffing, Howard Crane, W. Laduke at forward
Goals
Crystals: McGoldrick
Game #7: Crystals vs M.A.A.A., 5 March 1886
“For the M.A.A.A. all showed up in turns; for the Crystal the captain, Virtue and Cameron deserve special mention”
Crystals called Champions of Canada ; Montreal had previously held the title
Laing and Aird did the face
“For the M.A.A.A. men, Messrs. Aird, McIntyre, Barlow and Larmonth were doing splendidly, R. Smith was playing for all he was worth and was the cause of repeated calls of foul”
“Smith, the irrepressible, takes another goal”
“Joe McGoldrick, the lightning forward, scores another game”
“Allan Cameron is playing like himself and the men who rush him sit down with ‘thanks, not any more of that’”
Final Score: 4-2 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: Hutchinson in goal, Stewart at point, Cameron at center, Laing, Virtue, Findlay, McGoldrick at forward
MAAA: R. White in goal, Learmonth at point, Aird at center, McIntyre, Hodgson, Smith, Barlow at forward
MAAA: Hodgson, Smith
Crystals: Findlay, McGoldrick, McGoldrick, McGoldrick
Exhibition Game #2: Crystals vs M.A.A.A., 15 March 1886
“During the game the players who particularly distinguished themselves were, for the M.A.A.A., Messrs. Lowe, Hodgson, and McIntyre, and for the Crystals, Cameron, McGoldrick, Findley and Stewart, although the whole team played in splendid form”
Final Score: 5-0 Crystals
Rosters
Crystals: W. Hutchison in goal, J. Stewart at pint, Cameron at centre, Laing, Virtue, Findlay, McGoldrick at forward
MAAA: Lockerby in goal, Crispo at point, Lowe at centre, McIntyre, Barlow, Hodgson, Smith at forward
Goals- Unknown order
Crystals: Virtue, Virtue, Laing, McGoldrick, Findlay
Championship Game #1: Crystals vs Quebec HC, 19 March 1886
“Of the Quebec team, Ashe, the Scotts and Swift played remarkably good hockey, the dodgy running of the first named frequently eliciting loud cheers from the lookers on. For the home team Laing played a consistently good game”
Final Score: Unknown- Crystals awarded the win after 28 minutes of play. A.E. Scott was injured, the Crystals refused to drop a player, and “as these representatives of a so-called first class hockey team were the sole possessors of the ice when ‘time’ was called, the referee declared the game ended in favor of the Montreal men”
Rosters
Crystals: Stewart in goal, McGolrick, Virtue, findlay, Cameron, Hutchison, Laing
Quebec: W Scott, F Ashe, B. Patton in goal, A Swift, RJ Davidson, M.B. Colley, AE Scott
Exhibition Game #3: Quebec HC vs Victorias, 20 March 1886
“Where all played remarkably fine hockey it would be invidious to particularize, but it was evident that the advantage lay with the visitors (read: Quebec), who were the heavier men, and had, also, the pace of all the home team except J. Arnton. The Vics missed the goal keeper, Watts”
“Still, the Vics played a fine game, the playing of the Messrs. Arnton and Barlow being particularly good, while Ash of the Quebecers was conspicuous for his roughness and want of knowledge of the game”
Final Score: 4-1 Quebec
Rosters
Victorias: Tom Arnton in goal, J. Arnton at point, J. Craven at center, T. Barlow and A. Shearer at forward
Quebec: Patton in goal, Ash at point, Davidson at center, Colley and Swift at forward
Goals
Victorias: Craven or J. Arnton (Maybe J. Arnton), J. Arnton
Quebec: Ash, Davidson, UNK, UNK
Exhibition Game #4: Crystals vs Victorias, 24 March 1886
Also called a battle for the Championship- Victorias the champs?
Arnton and Laing did the face
“On the Crystal side Laing, Findley, Virtue and McGoldrick were playing a magnificent game, as were Shearer, Craven and Barlow of the Vics. Jack Arnton was taking things quietly, and was paying more attention to the direction of his team than to his own play”
“Jack Arnton began to show his magnificent play which he had apparently held in reserve during the first half”
“Findlay, Cameron, and McGoldrick were conspicuous for the home team and did excellent work”
“Even at this early stage of the game, Barlow, Craven and Shearer and shown up well, the others, and especially J. Arnton, being a little weak”
“In the play off of a third half hour the Victorias were all over the Crystals, Jack Arnton being specially good”
Final Score: 4-1 Victorias
Rosters
Crystals: Hutchison in goal, J. Stewart at point, A. Cameron at center, J. McGoldrick, J. Findlay, Virtue, Laing
Victorias: T. Arnton in goal, J. Muir at point, Stevenson, J. Craven, W. Barlow, J. Arnton, A. Shearer at point
Goals
Crystals: Findlay
Victorias: W. Barlow, W. Barlow, Craven, Shearer
EDIT: I have no idea why it is putting the lines through most of the text. Man, I can’t wait for the update.
1881
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Percy Myles | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Harcourt Smith | 1 | 0 | 1 |
1882
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Percy Myles | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| H. Ashe | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Dolly Swift | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Fred Ashe | 0 | 1 | 1 |
1883
No recorded points
1884
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Joseph Muir | 4 | 0 | 4 |
| Jack Arnton | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| Dolly Swift | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Frank Jenkins | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| J. McCabe | 1.5 | 0 | 1.5 |
| E. McCaffrey | 1.5 | 0 | 1.5 |
| Porter | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Percy Myles | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Fred Larmonth | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| E. Stevenson | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| S. Ogilvie | 1 | 0 | 1 |
1885
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Fred Barlow | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Halder Kirby | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Gallagher | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Jack Arnton | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Joseph Muir | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Jack Campbell | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Andy Ritchie | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Billy Aird | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Duncan McIntyre | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| R. Smith | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| J. Kinloch | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| C. Brown | 1 | 0 | 1 |
1886
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Joe McGoldrick | 8 | 0 | 8 |
| Jack Findlay | 5.83 | 0 | 5.83 |
| Jack Arnton | 4.5 | .5 | 5 |
| Billy Hodgson | 3.5 | 0 | 3.5 |
| R. Smith | 3.5 | 0 | 3.5 |
| Duncan McIntyre | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| R. Laing | 2.83 | 0 | 2.83 |
| James Virtue | 2.33 | 0 | 2.33 |
| Eddie Barlow | 1.5 | 0 | 1.5 |
| J. Craven | 1.5 | 0 | 1.5 |
| Andy Shearer | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Billy Aird | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| F. Crispo | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Fred Ashe | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Robert J. Davidson | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| C.P. Brown | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| E. Stevenson | .5 | 0 | .5 |
Top 10 Games 1881-1886
| Name | Games | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Jack Arnton | 17 | 7.5 | 1.5 | 9 |
| Fred Larmonth | 17 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| F. Smith | 15 | 4.5 | 0 | 4.5 |
| William Hutchinson | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Jack Findlay | 14 | 5.83 | 0 | 5.83 |
| Joseph Muir | 14 | 5 | 0 | 5 |
| E. Shepherd | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Duncan McIntyre | 13 | 3 | 1 | 4 |
| Billy Hodgson | 13 | 3.5 | 0 | 3.5 |
| R. Laing | 13 | 2.83 | 0 | 2.83 |
| Fred Barlow | 13 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Top 10 Goals 1881-1886
| Name | Goals | Games |
| Joe McGoldrick | 8 | 11 |
| Jack Arnton | 7.5 | 17 |
| Jack FIndlay | 5.83 | 14 |
| Joseph Muir | 5 | 14 |
| R. Smith | 4.5 | 15 |
| Percy Myles | 4 | 6 |
| Billy Hodgson | 3.5 | 13 |
| Duncan McIntyre | 3 | 13 |
| R. Laing | 2.83 | 13 |
| James Virtue | 2.83 | 7 |
Top 10 Points 1881-1886
| Name | Points | Games |
| Jack Arnton | 9 | 17 |
| Joe McGoldrick | 8 | 11 |
| Jack Findlay | 5.83 | 14 |
| Joseph Muir | 5 | 14 |
| Percy Myles | 5 | 6 |
| R. Smith | 4.5 | 15 |
| Duncan McIntyre | 4 | 13 |
| Billy Hodgson | 3.5 | 13 |
| Dolly Swift | 3 | 12 |
| R. Laing | 2.83 | 13 |
| James Virtue | 2.83 | 7 |
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Dr John Carlson
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Maybe? It wasn't there when I initially copied it from my google doc. It only showed up after I posted it, which is odd. I initially wondered if something happened when I added the spoilers, but not all of the text with spoilers was stricken through.
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
Of my many years doing this, I'd safely say this would place on my Mt. Rushmore of toughest, hold my whiskey, moments, I've encountered.
Moose Johnson was a different breed. He had another game where his jaw was broken and he stayed in and dominated. Numerous feats of pain tolerance by this old timer. They don't make them like Ernie (and many others of times long past) anymore.
Moose Johnson was a different breed. He had another game where his jaw was broken and he stayed in and dominated. Numerous feats of pain tolerance by this old timer. They don't make them like Ernie (and many others of times long past) anymore.
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Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada • Sat, Feb 3, 1912Page 14AHAC- Top 5 Points by season
1887 (challenge schedule)
1888 (home and away schedule)
1889 (challenge schedule)
1890 (challenge schedule)
1891 (challenge schedule)
1892 (challenge schedule)
1893 (home and away schedule)
1894 (home and away schedule)
1895 (home and away schedule)
1896 (home and away schedule)
1897 (home and away schedule)
1898 (home and away schedule)
As always, please point out any mistakes you see. As more sources become available, I anticipate these numbers changing, just like they have changed since the pre-merger project.
1887 (challenge schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Dolly Swift | 7 | 0 | 7 |
| J. Craven | 5.5 | 0 | 5.5 |
| Jack Campbell | 5.5 | 0 | 5.5 |
| Jack Arnton | 5 | 0 | 5 |
| Andy Shearer | 3.5 | 0 | 3.5 |
1888 (home and away schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| James Virtue | 8.5 | 3 | 11.5 |
| Jack Campbell | 7.5 | 1 | 8.5 |
| D.A. Elliott | 6.83 | 0 | 6.83 |
| Archie Hodgson | 4.5 | 1 | 5.5 |
| Fred Ashe | 4.5 | 1 | 5.5 |
1889 (challenge schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Archie McNaughton | 7.83 | 2 | 9.83 |
| Archie Hodgson | 6.33 | 0 | 6.33 |
| Jack Findlay | 6.33 | 0 | 6.33 |
| J. McDonald | 5.5 | 0 | 5.5 |
| Sam Lee | 3.5 | 2 | 5.5 |
1890 (challenge schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Archie McNaughton | 12 | 1 | 13 |
| Dave Brown | 5.5 | 2 | 7.5 |
| Jack Findlay | 5.5 | 1 | 6.5 |
| Alex Kingan | 5 | 0 | 5 |
| Andy Ritchie | 3 | 1 | 4 |
1891 (challenge schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| George Lowe | 4.5 | 1 | 5.5 |
| Alex Kingan | 3.5 | 0 | 3.5 |
| Archie McNaughton | 3 | 0 | 3 |
| Sam Lee | 2.5 | 0 | 2.5 |
| C. Smith | 1 | 1 | 2 |
1892 (challenge schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Reginald Bradley | 11 | 0 | 11 |
| Halder Kirby | 6.5 | 1 | 7.5 |
| George Lowe | 5 | 1 | 6 |
| Jack Kerr | 4 | 2 | 6 |
| Herbert Russell | 3 | 1 | 4 |
1893 (home and away schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Haviland Routh | 15.5 | 1 | 16.5 |
| Archie Hodgson | 8.5 | 5.5 | 14 |
| Reginald Bradley | 12.75 | .75 | 13.5 |
| W. Murray | 9.5 | 2 | 11.5 |
| Dolly Swift | 11 | .5 | 11.5 |
1894 (home and away schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Herbert Russell | 9.33 | 6.17 | 15.5 |
| Haviland Routh | 8.5 | 4.5 | 13 |
| Dolly Swift | 10.5 | 2 | 12.5 |
| Chauncey Kirby | 7.16 | 5 | 12.16 |
| Billy Barlow | 8 | 1 | 9 |
1895 (home and away schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Haviland Routh | 18 | .5 | 18.5 |
| Bob MacDougall | 10 | 4.16 | 14.16 |
| Graham Drinkwater | 9.5 | 4.66 | 14.16 |
| Norman Rankin | 9.5 | 3.16 | 12.66 |
| Archie Hodgson | 5.5 | 7 | 12.5 |
1896 (home and away schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Bob MacDougall | 12 | 4.5 | 16.5 |
| Shirley Davidson | 5.75 | 8.5 | 14.25 |
| Dolly Swift | 7.83 | 3.5 | 11.33 |
| Aubrey Mussen | 8 | 2 | 10 |
| Chauncey Kirby | 4 | 6 | 10 |
1897 (home and away schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Bob MacDougall | 18.5 | 6.66 | 25.16 |
| Billy Barlow | 10.66 | 5.67 | 16.33 |
| Ernie McLea | 11.66 | 4 | 15.66 |
| Clare McKerrow | 11.83 | 3 | 14.83 |
| Shirley Davidson | 4.17 | 9.33 | 13.5 |
1898 (home and away schedule)
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Bob MacDougall | 15.5 | 6.5 | 22 |
| Cam Davidson | 11.5 | 9 | 20.5 |
| Clare McKerrow | 13.33 | 4.5 | 17.83 |
| Graham Drinkwater | 11.5 | 4 | 15.5 |
| James Gillespie | 10.5 | 2.5 | 13 |
As always, please point out any mistakes you see. As more sources become available, I anticipate these numbers changing, just like they have changed since the pre-merger project.
CAHL Top 5 Points by Season
1899
1900
1901
1902
1903
1904
1905
Like always, please point out any errors. And, like always, this will likely change as more information becomes available.
1899
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Harry Trihey | 17.5 | 2 | 19.5 |
| Art Farrell | 9 | 7 | 16 |
| Cam Davidson | 8 | 7 | 15 |
| Jack Brannen | 8.5 | 2.5 | 10.5 |
| Clare McKerrow | 10 | .5 | 10.5 |
1900
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Harry Trihey | 15.75 | 2.5 | 18.25 |
| Russell Bowie | 15.33 | .5 | 15.83 |
| Art Farrell | 11.75 | 2.5 | 14.25 |
| James Gillespie | 10.83 | 3 | 13.83 |
| Billy Christmas | 11.83 | 1 | 12.83 |
1901
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Russell Bowie | 23.83 | 2 | 25.83 |
| Lorne Campbell | 9.5 | 3.5 | 13 |
| Art Farrell | 9.83 | 3 | 12.83 |
| Harry Trihey | 8.83 | 2 | 10.83 |
| Charlie Liffiton | 6.83 | 4 | 10.83 |
1902
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Archie Hooper | 16.5 | 1.17 | 17.67 |
| Rat Westwick | 12.83 | 2.67 | 15.5 |
| Russell Bowie | 13 | 2 | 15 |
| Jack Marshall | 12 | 2.5 | 14.5 |
| Charlie Liffiton | 7.66 | 2.67 | 10.33 |
1903
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Russell Bowie | 23.83 | 3.5 | 27.33 |
| Frank McGee | 15.33 | 9 | 24.33 |
| Herb Jordan | 13 | 4 | 17 |
| Billy Gilmour | 9.33 | 5.5 | 14.83 |
| Rat Westwick | 5 | 7.5 | 12.5 |
1904
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Russell Bowie | 27.5 | 1.33 | 28.83 |
| Herb Jordan | 21 | 2 | 23 |
| Blair Russel | 16.66 | 0 | 16.66 |
| Cavie Howard | 16 | 0 | 16 |
| Frank McGee | 13.83 | 1.5 | 15.33 |
1905
| Name | Goals | Assists | Points |
| Russell Bowie | 28 | 2 | 30 |
| Joe Power | 23 | 0 | 23 |
| Blair Russel | 18.5 | 2.16 | 20.66 |
| Herb Jordan | 18.33 | 2.17 | 20.5 |
| Colin Foulis | 16 | 1 | 17 |
Like always, please point out any errors. And, like always, this will likely change as more information becomes available.
Top 10s for the entirety of the AHAC (1887-1898)
Games
Goals
Assists
Points
The usual disclaimers
Games
| Name | Games |
| Weldy Young | 59 |
| Dolly Swift | 51 |
| James Stewart | 51 |
| Dave Brown | 50 |
| Allan Cameron | 50 |
| Dave Watson | 49 |
| A.D. Scott | 48 |
| D.A. Elliott | 48 |
| Herb Collins | 46 |
| Tom Paton | 46 |
Goals
| Name | Goals |
| Bob MacDougall | 60.5 |
| Dolly Swift | 57.83 |
| Haviland Routh | 42.5 |
| Billy Barlow | 38.16 |
| Graham Drinkwater | 36.33 |
| Clare McKerrow | 31.41 |
| Chauncey Kirby | 30.75 |
| Shirley Davidson | 29.92 |
| Archie Hodgson | 29.83 |
| Dave Brown | 28.5 |
Assists
| Name | Assists |
| Shirley Davidson | 23.83 |
| Bob MacDougall | 21.83 |
| Archie Hodgson | 17.5 |
| Weldy Young | 16.67 |
| Cam Davidson | 14.5 |
| Chauncey Kirby | 14 |
| Billy Barlow | 13.17 |
| Graham Drinkwater | 12.17 |
| Herb Russell | 10.83 |
| Dolly Swift | 10.5 |
Points
| Name | Points |
| Bob MacDougall | 82.33 |
| Dolly Swift | 68.33 |
| Shirley Davidson | 53.75 |
| Billy Barlow | 51.33 |
| Haviland Routh | 49 |
| Graham Drinkwater | 48.5 |
| Archie Hodgson | 47.33 |
| Chauncey Kirby | 44.75 |
| Clare McKerrow | 38.91 |
| Herb Russell | 38.33 |
The usual disclaimers
Top 10s for the entirety of the CAHL (1899-1905)
Games
Goals
Assists
Points
Standard disclaimers
Games
| Name | Games |
| Russell Bowie | 52 |
| Blair Russel | 47 |
| Bouse Hutton | 36 |
| George Cummings | 31 |
| Paddy Moran | 30 |
| Eddie Hogan | 29 |
| Jack Brennan | 29 |
| James Gillespie | 28 |
| Billy Nicholson | 28 |
| Rat Westwick | 25 |
| Charlie Liffiton | 25 |
| Hod Stuart | 25 |
| Chic Henry | 25 |
| Harvey Pulford | 25 |
Goals
| Name | Goals |
| Russell Bowie | 141.83 |
| Blair Russel | 70.16 |
| Herb Jordan | 52.33 |
| Harry Trihey | 42.08 |
| Joe Power | 36.5 |
| Archie Hooper | 31 |
| Art Farrell | 30.58 |
| Cavie Howard | 30.5 |
| Frank McGee | 29.16 |
| Rat Westwick | 28.83 |
Assists
| Name | Assists |
| Rat Westwick | 13.67 |
| Art Farrell | 12.5 |
| Russell Bowie | 11.32 |
| Frank McGee | 10.5 |
| Jack Brannen | 10 |
| Hod Stuart | 9.17 |
| Herb Jordan | 8.17 |
| Blair Russel | 8 |
| James Gillespie | 8 |
| Charlie Liffiton | 7.67 |
Points
| Russell Bowie | 153.15 |
| Blair Russel | 78.16 |
| Herb Jordan | 60.5 |
| Harry Trihey | 48.58 |
| Art Farrell | 43.08 |
| Rat Westwick | 42.5 |
| Joe Power | 41.83 |
| Frank McGee | 39.66 |
| Cavie Howard | 35.16 |
| James Gillespie | 34.66 |
Standard disclaimers
jigglysquishy
Registered User
The statistical dominance of Russell Bowie is something else.
AHAC + CAHL Top 10s (1887-1905)
Games
Goals
Assists
Points
Standard disclaimers
Games
| Name | Games |
| Weldy Young | 66 |
| Harvey Pulford | 61 |
| Frank Stocking | 59 |
| Mike Grant | 56 |
| Dave Watson | 54 |
| Rat Westwick | 53 |
| Herb Collins | 53 |
| Russell Bowie | 52 |
| Dolly Swift | 52 |
| A.D. Scott | 51 |
| James Stewart | 51 |
Goals
| Name | Goals |
| Russell Bowie | 141.83 |
| Blair Russel | 70.16 |
| Bob MacDougall | 68 |
| Dolly Swift | 57.83 |
| Herb Jordan | 52.33 |
| Rat Westwick | 46.66 |
| Harry Trihey | 46.58 |
| Haviland Routh | 42.5 |
| Clare McKerrow | 41.41 |
| Billy Barlow | 38.16 |
Assists
| Name | Assists |
| Shirley Davidson | 23.83 |
| Bob MacDougall | 22.83 |
| Cam Davidson | 21.5 |
| Weldy Young | 21.17 |
| Rat Westwick | 19.84 |
| Chauncey Kirby | 18 |
| Archie Hodgson | 17.5 |
| Graham Drinkwater | 14.67 |
| Art Farrell | 13.35 |
| Billy Barlow | 13.17 |
Points
| Name | Points |
| Russell Bowie | 153.16 |
| Bob MacDougall | 90.83 |
| Blair Russell | 78.16 |
| Dolly Swift | 68.33 |
| Rat Westwick | 66.5 |
| Herb Jordan | 60.5 |
| Shirley Davidson | 53.75 |
| Chauncey Kirby | 53.25 |
| Harry Trihey | 53.08 |
| Billy Barlow | 51.33 |
Standard disclaimers
It really is- especially over time. Bowie's peak dominance for a single season which I think is 1901, with a Vs2 of 198.69. Really the only individual season that really rivals that is Billy Breen's 1904 season in whatever the Manitoba league was calling itself at that point, when he had 22.5 points while second place (Charlie Dodd) ended up with 9, giving Breen a Vs2 of 250. Of course, the talent level of the 1901 CAHL was likely substantially higher than Breen's league.
And, of course, Bowie did it for what feels like ages:
1899: 6th
1900: 2nd
1901: 1st
1902: 3rd
1903: 1st
1904: 1st
1905: 1st
1906: 1st
1907: 1st
1908: 2nd
That 1900-1908 run is pretty great. Of course- and this is the big caveat- we are looking at quite possibly the highest levels of talent dispersion in that period (1903-1906 in particular). The FAHL had a good couple years that took away some of the Montreal Wanderers and Frank McGee. Tommy Phillips went off (or back to) Manitoba to play for Rat Portage for a while (and the year he came back- the only year Phillips and Bowie played in the same league- Phillips led in points) and spent a year in the OHA. Hod Stuart and some other high-level players where in the WPHL/IPHL. Plus we had some weird circumstances, like Trihey having that injury he never fully recovered from, Archie Hooper dying, etc.
Even after the end of the IPHL, not everybody went to the ECAHA- a guy like Newsy Lalonde ended up in the OPHL, and there was enough talent in that league at that time that he didn't blow the doors off of it. While Lalonde did lead the league in points with 33, Lady Taylor had 29 and Bert Morrison had 28.
It has become apparent to me that we have marginalized the "other" leagues of the era- the AHAC/CAHL/ECAHA, while they were often (if not always) the best league around, didn't have anything close to a monopoly on talent. As such, traditional measures of offense like Vs2 are quite likely inappropriate.
VsX/Vs1/Vs2 also provide a problem for the really early years in that recorded point totals were pretty low. As such, point differences of 1 or 2 end up with a substantial impact- an impact that doesn't exist now. If the benchmark player had 10 points, each point below that reduces a players score by 10, right? If the benchmark player is at 100, each point below reduces a players score by 1. I think we need something else for the low points era.
And since I'm on the topic- even if we are going to use VsX/1/2 for this timer period due to a lack of better options, I'm wondering if 7 years is even the right call for the whole time period. For guys who debuted prior to about 1895 (don't hold me to that, just going off the cuff at the moment), it seems like a 5 year period would be more representative of the norm.
