Discussion: Who were the best 10 players 1900-1905?

tarheelhockey · Nov 13, 2020

Following on this thread, another round of light discussion on early era players. Hopefully this will be helpful for folks who are making their top-200 lists.

ATD bios of players from this era:

Defensemen
Dickie Boon
Mike Grant (until 1902)
Si Griffis (from 1901-02)
Fred Lake
Jack Marshall
Harvey Pulford
Art Ross (from 1902-03)
Hod Stuart

Forwards
Dan Bain (from 1902-03)
Russ Bowie
Jimmy Gardner
Pud Glass (from 1901-02)
Frank McGee
Tommy Phillips
Blair Russel
Alf Smith
Harry Smith (from 1902-03)
Bruce Stuart
Harry Trihey (until 1901)
Harry "Rat" Westwick

Goalies
Riley Hern
John Bouse Hutton
Paddy Moran

Questions that come to mind:
- Who in this era might be considered underrated/overrated?

- From a 1905 perspective, who would be considered the greatest player of all time?

- In the 1895-1900 thread, we talked a lot about the absence of clear-cut elite goalies. How much did that change during the next 5 year period?

- Several of these players entered or exited hockey midway through the timeframe... were any of them good enough to be considered top-10 despite playing only 2 or 3 of the 5 seasons?

- Some of these players (e.g., Paddy Moran) only played senior hockey during this timeframe. How do we rate that against professional play which was just beginning to emerge in a couple of small, outlying leagues?

Michael Farkas · Nov 13, 2020

Last bullet point...is there any crossover data that exists (that is, players that did both in their prime) that would suggest what leagues were "tougher" or perceived tougher...? Or is even that too much of an undertaking to glean any info from...?

MXD · Nov 13, 2020

For that very specific timeframe, Russel Bowie, Frank McGee and Hod Stuart would appear to be the best players.

However, that period comprises nearly the entirety of the careers of the last two (it's a bit more complicated than that, I know).

TheDevilMadeMe · Nov 13, 2020

MXD said:
For that very specific timeframe, Russel Bowie, Frank McGee and Hod Stuart would appear to be the best players.

However, that period comprises nearly the entirety of the careers of the last two (it's a bit more complicated than that, I know).

Yes, Tommy Phillips was mostly at his best after this time frame, and the big thing about Bowie is that his longevity was longer than the rest of this bunch.

MXD · Nov 13, 2020

TheDevilMadeMe said:
Yes, Tommy Phillips was mostly at his best after this time frame, and the big thing about Bowie is that his longevity was longer than the rest of this bunch.

He was the player I had in mind when making the second comment. There's a discussion to be had regarding where Philips rank vs McGee and Stuart in the grand scheme of things (my hunch would be McGee > Philips > Stuart), but if we're to keep it strictly to 1900-1905, there's absolutely none.

tarheelhockey · Nov 13, 2020

TheDevilMadeMe said:
Yes, Tommy Phillips was mostly at his best after this time frame, and the big thing about Bowie is that his longevity was longer than the rest of this bunch.

MXD said:
He was the player I had in mind when making the second comment. There's a discussion to be had regarding where Philips rank vs McGee and Stuart in the grand scheme of things (my hunch would be McGee > Philips > Stuart), but if we're to keep it strictly to 1900-1905, there's absolutely none.

What this point hints at, is the wave of talent that hit just as this period ended. Players that came into high-level hockey around 1904 include the Patrick brothers, Art Ross, Moose Johnson, Tommy Dunderdale, and a handful of other HHOF types. The list gets a lot longer within the next 5 years.

And a big part of why that next generation looks so much stronger, is their staying power. A bunch of guys with 10-20 year careers, so their career profiles look dramatically stronger than those of the 1900-05 crew. I’ll hazard an opinion that this is mainly due to the youngest players benefitting from full careers in pro hockey, but it may not be entirely that simple.

I look at this 5-year span as an interesting transition period — the guys who peaked here would just miss the opportunity for professional play (and therefore a long career) but I have to think they were significantly better trained and more focused on hockey than the generation immediately before them.

sr edler · Nov 14, 2020

I don't think Jimmy Gardner was anything special as an actual player. I think he's in the HHOF partly because of off ice things like co-founding Les Canadiens and coaching, and partly because Little Men of Iron sounds cool. I think the big star of the Montreal AAA at the onset of the 20th century was Archie Hooper. I think Gardner was pretty much a glue guy with decent offensive upside on those teams, Pud Glass or Cecil Blachford style.

Fred Lake was a left winger until 1908 and Jack Marshall was a center up until the latter half of his career.

Straight offense Billy Breen & Herb Jordan came along at the second half of the 1900–1905 window, and perhaps Lorne Campbell.

VanIslander · Nov 14, 2020

I'm sorry, but....

From 1901-1905 the best player was Frank McGee.

At least clearly in terms of Stanley.Cup history.

a79krgm · Nov 14, 2020

Dain Bain appears to have been the Mark Messier of his era. Great stache too.

Sanf · Nov 15, 2020

This is again bit of info dump, but quickly tried to gather most of the All-Star team selections that I have from this time period. All of them are from very end of this time period. So guys who were just getting started at that point looks better. And always need to be bit cautios with these selections.

First is from All-Star game between East and West Toronto teams at the end of 1903-1904 season. Not much can be taken out of it. Lot of names that went to have great career. Many that went to IPHL first. As a small notion Pete Maltman who apparently was regarded All-Star in Toronto went later to IPHL and was pretty much the weakest goalie in the league. Shows the class that they had in goalies.

Toronto All-Star Game
East Goal:Giroux Point:Charlton Cover Point:Ardagh Forwards: Chadwick, Hynes, Phillips, Forrester

West Goal:Maltman Point:Brown Cover Point:Twaits Forwards: Preston, Munn, Taylor, Peel

Next is the often referred 1905 All-Star team

Montreal Gazette Feb 17 1905
The Toronto News published Eastern Hockey All-Star team. It was made by "Montreal man"

Goal: Paddy Moran, Quebec Point:Harvey Pulford, Ottawa Coverpoint:Arthur Moore, Ottawa Rover:Russel Bowie, Victorias Center:Frank McGee, Ottawa Left Wing:Blair Russell, Victorias Right Wing:Billy Gilmour, Ottawa

"When it came to the selection of our greatest defence players, a kein debate might be aroused," says the writer making the choice. "Perhaps the defence of the Ottawa Stanley Cup holders is the best of the ice today, and the men in front of the goalkeeper are: Pulford, point and Moore, Cover point. Both strapping big men they do not use boarding-school methods to handle the enemy as it sweeps down upon them. Pulford is a poor skater. That is his only weakness. But opposing teams fear him, as they fear no man on the ice, and Pulford´s strenuous work in the defence of his goal net has earned him the endearing title of "Butcher".

"Moore can also accomplish a little body-checking on occasions. He, too, is no gentle lamb, and many a forward can show black and blue marks decerating his anatomy to prove it.

I haven´t find the original source for this. So I do not know who and where this selection was made. It was mentioned in New York Tribune. I am not entirely certain how they assigned the positions. It is easy to guess that they probably did not count players playing in IPHL (even the name is All-Canadian.

New York Tribune 21 March 1905
All-Star Canadian team

Goal: Paddy Moran, Quebec Point:Harvey Pulford, Ottawa Coverpoint:Si Griffis, Rat Portage Center?:Russel Bowie, Victorias Center:Frank McGee, Ottawa Right Wing?:Blair Russell, Victorias Right Wing:Tommy Phillips, Rat Portage

Next one is All Montreal team from the same season. I guess you can take it from here that Art Ross yet hadn´t make a big name for himself.

The Ottawa Journal 15 March 1905
All-Montreal team selected by two sportsman. The paragraph is opinion of the Ottawa Journal sportwriter.

Sportsman 1
Goal:Oswald Waugh, Montreals Point:"Turkey" Bellingham, Victorias Coverpoint: Dickie Boon, Wanderers Rover:Russel Bowie, Victorias Center:Grover Sargent, Montreals Left Wing:Blair Russell, Victorias Right Wing:Cess Blachford, Wanderers

Sportsman 2
Goal:Oswald Waugh, Montreals Point:W.Strachan (Billy) Wanderers, Coverpoint:Lester Patrick, Westmount Rover:Russel Bowie, Victorias Center:Grover Sargent, Montreals Left Wing:Blair Russell, Victorias Right Wing:Cess Blachford, Wanderers

To compete with the speedy westerners the local defence men would have to be speedy and good rushers. Lester Patrick and Dicky Boon souwl probably be suitable for the defence, as both have plenty of speed and can rush well.

And then there is lot of IPHL All-Star selections. Probably the most underrated league of history. First selection was made early in the season. Others were late season selections. And with these there need to give bias warning.

What I can take from it is that there seemed to be pretty much consensus that Hod Stuart was the best Cover Point in league. Ken Mallen and Doc Gibson (who I could consider best Defence players of this time period) got lot of attention. This doesn´t look that good for Lorne Campbell who I agree is overall underrated. Also this seems to be in line what I have read about goaltending. There wasn´t clear consensus about who was best goalie in US. At this point between Chief Jones and Riley Hern.

Manitoba Morning Free Press 9 Jan 1905
"American" selects his All-American team

Goal:Chief Jones, Mich. Soo Point: Doc Gibson, Houghton Cover Point:Hod Stuart, Calumet Rover:Eddie Roberts, Pittsburg Center:Bruce Stuart, Pittsburg Soo Righ Wing: Haddo Black, Houghton Left Wing:Fred Lake, Houghton

These are from research made by Daniel Scott Mason

Soo Evening news had readers voting All-Star selection from IPHL in spring of 1905

Goal:Chief Jones, Mich. Soo Point:Roy Brown, Can Soo Cover Point:Hod Stuart, Calumet Rover:Ken Mallen, Calumet Center: Didier Pitre, Mich. Soo Righ Wing: Jack Laviolette, Mich Soo Left Wing:Frank Sweitzer Mich Soo.

Calumet Evening News had fans/readers voting All-American team.

Goal:Riley Hern, Houghton Point: Doc Gibson, Houghton Cover Point:Hod Stuart, Calumet Rover:Ken Mallen, Calumet Center:Fred Strike, Calumet Righ Wing: Jack Laviolette, Mich Soo Left Wing:Jimmy Gardner, Calumet

Pittsburgh Times Sport Editor Pat.S.Egan selected his All-Star team.

Goal:Jack Winchester Pittsburgh Point: Doc Gibson, Houghton Cover Point:Hod Stuart, Calumet Rover:Ken Mallen, Calumet Center:Arthur Sixsmith Pittsburg Righ Wing: Charles Liffiton, Houghton Left Wing:Jimmy Gardner, Calumet

edit. Smiley faces taken out

Sanf · Nov 17, 2020

Out of goalies yeah its hard. Bouse Hutton was goaltender of dynasty. It wasnt easy to find lot of significant stuff out of him. He was great Lacrosse goalie and I would say atleast very good hockey goalie. I would still probably rank Paddy Moran in front of him even from this time period even he distinguished himself only in last few seasons. I have some doubts about the class of the goalies that played in eastern big leagues, but I post it later. Here are some of the things I gathered from Bouse Hutton years ago because his bio doesnt seem to have that much stuff. Its not much but it is something.

The Ottawa Journal 30. Jan 1900
"Hutton, in the Ottawa flags´is certainly a star

This is from 1903 if I remember correct. I have lost the date
In a hockey game a goal tend´s position is not an enviable one. He is seldom credited with any share of a victory, but in case of a defeat is sure to get more than his own share. It was when Ottawa was playing four men to Montreal´s seven that Hutton´s nerve stood him in good sread and enabled him on two occasions to save apparently impossible situations. And his good judgement was all the more apparent at this crisis because Montreal by poor judgement failed to take advantage of the absence on the side of both Pulford and Spittal to make a combined attack....

From a Stanley Cup challenge against Marlboros
The Ottawa Citizen 24. Feb 1904
Hutton distinquished himself by his work before the nets. In fact his performance last night stamps him as a marvel in the position and the Marlboro team attribute their defeat to his clever stopping more tan any other cause

The Winnipeg Tribune 30. Dec 1905
Bouse Hutton of Ottawa a former member of the Stanley Cup holders, and one of the best goal-keepers that has ever played on a Canadian hockey team may coach the St. John hockeyist this winter..

The Ottawa Citizen 15. Mar 1905
Bouse Hutton is another who must not be forgotten. He helped to bring the Stanley cup to Ottawa and to defend it until the present year and should not be overlooked when remembering the men of the famous Ottawa team.

And few rumours that there were interest to him in other (pro) leagues.
The Ottawa Citizen 28. Oct 1905
The Canadian Soo will sign at least five new men.... "Bouse" Hutton may play goal...

The Winnipeg Tribune 20. Now 1906
Western Canada hockey magnates are after Bouse Hutton of Ottawa

Sanf · Nov 17, 2020

Now the doubts about CAHL and FAHL goalies comes from few things. Other is obviously from the constant changing of goalies. Not many of the goalies played several seasons and goalies were swapped even during season. Teans struggled to find starting goalie.

Other is that few significant goalies from that time spand did not do great in other leagues. Billy Nicholson was the Stanley cup winning goalie with the Little Men Of Iron. Was regarded as fine goalie. He turned "pro" in 1904-1905 and went to IPHL. And even from those All-Star selections you can see he wasn´t selected to none. He did do well in there, but I would rank him behind Winchester, Jones and Hern for his time in there.

Other is Jack Hunter the Cornwall goalie. First in OHA and then the team swapped FAHL. By all accounts very good goalie both hockey and Lacrosse. He went to Manitoba league in 1905 and was big disapointment and was regarded weaker than the goalies already there.

Few clips because Hunter is problably not as well known as Nicholson.

The Ottawa Citizen 26. Feb 1903
Hunter made beautiful stop of McLaren´s shot, Ardagh went down from cover but Hunter blocked his shot neatly. The Cornwalls went up the ice in line but Allen´s shot was wide. Chadwick skated in on Hunter but the Cornwall goalkeeper made another of his rattiling good stops...Hunter was playing the whole game for Cornwall at this stage, stopping shots from McLare and Chadwick with precision.

The Gazette 26. Feb 1903
The fact that the score was not made large one is due entirely to Jack Hunter, who gave great exhibition of goal keeping.

The Gazette 16. Jan 1904
The Cornwall defence was good, and Hunter in goal seemed to be a regular stone wall...

The Ottawa Citizen 2. Dec 1903
The old players in town are Jack Hunter, who is phenomenal goal keeper...

And then from his not that great trip to Manitoba
The Winnipeg Tribune 12. Jan 1906
Hunter of Cornwall who was tried out with Brandon,has proved the disapointment of the season in the wheat city. In the east he was regarded as one of the best goal tends in the business, but he has not been able to catch his stride in the west.

The Winnipeg Tribune 30. Jan 1906
Hunter last year with Commerce, was given chance to scintillate in front of the nets and he did fairly well, though he is not in the same class as Quinn. However, it might be said for him that he had far more wicked shot to handle than did the Winnipeg goal-tend.

Sanf · Nov 17, 2020

And I guess brief clips from US from that time span. Goalie "rivalry" was mainly between Chief Jones and Riley Hern even prior forming IPHL. (though I´m not that well informed about goalies in New York)

The Pittsburgh Press - Mar 22, 1903
Jones, at goal was a stone wall and is in the class of the "only" Riley Hern.

Evening News January 14, 1904
The bright individual star of the two teams was Chief Jones in goal, and even the most enthusiastic Portage Lake supporter admit that while Riley Hern is great there are none the peers of Chief Jones.

The Pittsburgh press Feb 21, 1904
Jones, the goaltender. was with Houghton last season. It is said up in the copper country that Jones is superior to Riley Hern, an old local favorite, now with Portage Lake.

Chief Jones was acquired from St. Paul by Doc Gibson. Atleast Chaucer Elliot (who was ref in many leagues including IPHL) had high opinion about him.

The Detroit Times 2. Dec 1914
So predicts "Chief" Jones, coach of the septet that is organizing in this city, and once the choice of Chaucer Elliot, the Canadian referee, as the best all-around hockey player in the world. That was wen Jones played with the Cobalt team, the conquerors of the Renfrew -the "million dollar team"-....

Black Gold Extractor · Nov 17, 2020

Data dump time! First up, the top leagues playing during the period from 1900-01 to 1904-05:

1901	Games Played	Wins	Losses	Ties	Goals For	Goals Against	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA	Notes
Ottawa Hockey Club	8	7	0	1	33	20	4.13	2.50	3.88	4.28
Montreal Victorias	8	4	3	1	45	32	5.63	4.00	3.50	3.91
Montreal Shamrocks	8	4	4	0	30	25	3.75	3.13	3.97	4.13
Montreal Hockey Club	8	3	5	0	28	37	3.50	4.63	4.03	3.75
Quebec Hockey Club	8	1	7	0	21	43	2.63	5.38	4.25	3.56

1902	Games Played	Wins	Losses	Ties	Goals For	Goals Against	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Montreal Hockey Club	8	6	2	0	39	15	4.88	1.88	3.50	4.25
Ottawa Hockey Club	8	5	3	0	35	15	4.38	1.88	3.63	4.25
Montreal Victorias	8	4	4	0	36	25	4.50	3.13	3.59	3.94
Quebec Hockey Club	8	4	4	0	26	34	3.25	4.25	3.91	3.66
Montreal Shamrocks	8	1	7	0	15	62	1.88	7.75	4.25	2.78

1903	Games Played	Wins	Losses	Ties	Goals For	Goals Against	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Ottawa Hockey Club	8	6	2	0	47	26	5.88	3.25	4.44	5.10
Montreal Victorias	8	6	2	0	48	33	6.00	4.13	4.41	4.88
Montreal Hockey Club	7	4	3	0	34	19	4.86	2.71	4.76	5.05
Quebec Hockey Club	7	3	4	0	30	46	4.29	6.57	4.84	4.49
Montreal Shamrocks	8	0	8	0	21	56	2.63	7.00	5.25	4.17

1904	Games Played	Wins	Losses	Ties	Goals For	Goals Against	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Quebec Hockey Club	6	5	1	0	50	37	8.33	6.17	6.27	7.86
Montreal Victorias	8	5	3	0	75	48	9.38	6.00	6.44	6.87
Montreal Hockey Club	7	2	5	0	34	49	4.86	7.00	7.51	7.03
Montreal Shamrocks	7	0	7	0	32	74	4.57	10.57	7.59	6.01
Ottawa Hockey Club‡	4	4	0	0	32	15	8.00	3.75	7.04	7.39	*Withdrew from CAHL after 4 games, joined FAHL

1905	Games Played	Wins	Losses	Ties	Goals For	Goals Against	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Montreal Victorias	8	9	1	0	64	32	8.00	4.00	6.33	6.22
Quebec Hockey Club	9	8	2	0	78	45	8.67	5.00	5.65	6.48
Montreal Hockey Club	9	7	3	0	54	42	6.00	4.67	6.24	6.55
Montreal Shamrocks	9	3	7	0	41	62	4.56	6.89	6.56	6.06
Montreal Westmount	9	3	7	0	55	75	6.11	8.33	5.73	6.21
Montreal Le National	4	0	10†	0	6	42	1.50	10.50	6.33	6.22	*Defaulted 6 games

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1904 FAHL	Games Played	Wins	Losses	Ties	Goals For	Goals Against	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Montreal Wanderers	6	6	0	0	38	18	6.33	3.00	4.17	5.28
Montreal Le National	6	3	3	0	27	27	4.50	4.50	4.78	4.78
Cornwall HC	6	2	4	0	20	27	3.33	4.50	5.17	4.78
Ottawa Capitals	6	1	5	0	28	41	4.67	6.83	4.72	4.00

1905 FAHL	Games Played	Wins	Losses	Ties	Goals For	Goals Against	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Ottawa Hockey Club	8	7	1	0	60	19	7.50	2.38	3.59	4.88
Montreal Wanderers	8	6	2	0	44	27	5.50	3.38	4.09	4.63
Brockville	8	4	4	0	34	30	4.25	3.75	4.41	4.53
Cornwall HC	8	3	5	0	18	37	2.25	4.63	4.91	4.31
Montreal Montagnards	8	0	8	0	19	62	2.38	7.75	4.88	3.53

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1902	GP	W	L	T	GF	GA	Pts	Ave	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Pittsburgh Keystones	14	9	5	0	43	32	18	0.643	3.07	2.29	2.61	2.96
Pittsburgh A.C.	14	8	6	0	46	28	16	0.571	3.29	2.00	2.50	3.11
Pittsburgh Bankers	14	4	10	0	27	55	8	0.286	1.93	3.93	3.18	2.14

1903	GP	W	L	T	GF	GA	Pts.	Ave	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Pittsburgh Bankers	14	10	3	1	58	18	19	0.679	4.14	1.29	2.53	3.59
Pittsburgh A. C.	13	7	5	1	36	32	15	0.577	2.77	2.46	2.99	3.20
Pittsburgh Victorias	14	7	7	0	47	40	14	0.5	3.36	2.86	2.79	3.07
Pittsburgh Keystones	13	2	11	0	19	71	4	0.154	1.46	5.46	3.42	2.20

1904	GP	W	L	T	GF	GA	PTS	AVE	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Pittsburgh Victorias	13	10	3	0	56	23	20	0.769	4.31	1.77	3.03	3.81
Pittsburgh Bankers	15	8	7	0	45	45	16	0.533	3.00	3.00	3.48	3.48
Pittsburgh A.C.	14	4	10	0	44	62	8	0.286	3.14	4.43	3.49	2.76
Pittsburgh Keystones*	6	2	4	0	15	30	4	0.333	2.50	5.00	3.27	3.27

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1905	GP	W	L	T	GF	GA	Pts	Ave	GF/GP	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	Avg. Opponent GA
Calumet-Laurium Miners	24	18	5	1	131	75	37	0.77	5.46	3.13	3.73	4.63
Houghton-Portage Lakes	24	15	7	2	98	81	32	0.666	4.08	3.38	4.07	4.56
Michigan Soo	24	10	13	1	81	79	21	0.438	3.38	3.29	4.25	4.58
Pittsburgh Pros	24	8	15	1	82	144	17	0.354	3.42	6.00	4.24	3.91
Canadian Soo	24	6	17	2	97	140	13	0.271	4.04	5.83	4.08	3.95

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It's hard to exactly quantify relative league strength. The CAHL would be the clear-cut strongest league until 1903. Midway through the next season, Ottawa HC would withdraw, and the following season it would join the FAHL. As well, the IPHL boasted the ever-formidable Portage Lakes HC and the team employing Hod Stuart at the time (i.e. Calumet in 1904-05, Pittsburgh afterward, Portage Lakes before). It's worth noting that even before the IPHL, the Hod Stuart-led Portage Lakes HC crushed the newly-formed Montreal Wanderers in 1903-04 in a two-game series (8-4 and 9-3). Unfortunately, before the IPHL, Portage Lakes was basically the Harlem Globetrotters before the NBA became integrated, so it's tough to gauge.

Surprisingly, using a combination of Hockey-Reference.com's adjustment method with quoipourquoi's opponent GA method on crossover players from 1904 to 1905 (as well as eyeballing players switching leagues in later seasons), there doesn't seem to be much of an effect on player scoring going from league to league.

Player	Team	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G	FAHL 1904
Ken Mallen (RW)	Calumet Miners	24	38	4.63	82	28	24
Lorne Campbell (C)	Pittsburgh Professionals	24	29	3.91	82	25
	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	4	6	4.56	14	5
Bruce Stuart (C)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	22	33	4.56	75	25
Hod Stuart (D)	Calumet Miners	22	18	4.63	75	13
Jimmy Gardner (LW)	Calumet Miners	23	16	4.63	79	12	11
Jack Laviolette (D)	Michigan Soo	24	15	4.58	82	11	20
Fred Lake (LW/D)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	24	14	4.56	82	10
Barney Holden (D)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	24	9	4.56	82	7
Jack Gibson (F)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	24	2	4.56	82	1

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IPHL data from Elite Prospects

Name	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G	Adj. G/GP
Jack Marshall	Wanderers	4	11	6.01	55	25	0.45
Edgar Dey	Capitals	6	11	4.55	82	33
Ken Mallen	Wanderers & Cornwall	6	10	5.72	82	24
Alphonse Prevost	Le National	6	9	5.44	82	23
Percy Sims	Capitals	5	9	4.55	68	27
Jack Laviolette	Nationals	6	8	5.44	82	20
"Pokey" Leahy	Wanderers	5	7	6.01	68	16
Jimmy Gardner	Wanderers	6	5	6.01	82	11
Ed Decarie	Le National	6	5	5.44	82	13
Fred Strike	Wanderers	2	4	6.01	27	9

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Name	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G	Adj. G/GP
McGee, Frank	Ottawa	6	17	4.88	62	36
Marshall, Jack	Wanderers	8	17	4.63	82	38	0.46
Westwick, Harry	Ottawa	8	15	4.88	82	32
Smith, Alf	Ottawa	8	13	4.88	82	27
Blachford, Cecil	Wanderers	7	10	4.63	72	22
Glass, Frank	Wanderers	6	9	4.63	62	20
Lannon, W.	Brockville	8	7	4.53	82	16
Shore, Hamby	Ottawa	3	6	4.88	31	13
Marks, Jack	Brockville	8	6	4.53	82	14
Mallette, Bob	Cornwall	8	5	4.31	82	12

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Black Gold Extractor · Nov 17, 2020

This is the second data dump, this time regarding scoring. With multiple leagues and incomplete data, it's basically pointless to do a leaderboard appearances tally, so instead I combined the best of both worlds: a concept that I'm calling "significant seasons". Basically, only seasons that are top-10 in their league are added to totals. This should eliminate the "compiler" issue.

From 1900-01 to 1904-05:

1901	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Russell Bowie	Victorias	7	24	3.91	72	63
Lorne Campbell	Montreal	7	10	3.75	72	27
Arthur Farrell	Shamrocks	8	10	4.13	82	25
Harold Henry	Ottawa	8	8	4.28	82	19
Blair Russel	Victorias	8	8	3.91	82	21
Arthur Sixsmith	Ottawa	7	7	4.28	72	17
Harry Trihey	Shamrocks	7	7	4.13	72	17
Charlie Liffiton	Montreal	8	6	3.75	82	16
Harry Westwick	Ottawa	7	6	4.28	72	14
Edward Stuart	Victorias	5	6	3.91	51	16
Jack Smith	Ottawa	4	6	4.28	41	14

1902	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Archie Hooper	Montreal	8	17	4.25	82	41
Russell Bowie	Victorias	7	13	3.94	72	34
Jack Marshall	Montreal	8	11	4.25	82	27
Rat Westwick	Ottawa	8	11	4.25	82	27
Bruce Stuart	Ottawa	8	9	4.25	82	22
Blair Russel	Victorias	8	9	3.94	82	23
Charlie Liffiton	Montreal	8	8	4.25	82	19
Harold Henry	Ottawa	8	6	4.25	82	14
Edward Stuart	Victorias	6	6	3.94	62	16
Percy Lemesurier	Quebec	4	5	3.66	41	14
Hod Stuart	Quebec	8	5	3.66	82	14

1903	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Russell Bowie	Victorias	7	22	4.88	72	46
Frank McGee	Ottawa	6	14	5.1	62	28
Herb Jordan	Quebec	7	12	4.49	72	27
Billy Gilmour	Ottawa	7	10	5.1	72	20
Archie Hooper	Montreal	6	9	5.05	62	18
Jack Marshall	Montreal	7	8	5.05	72	16
Blair Russell	Victorias	8	7	4.88	82	15
Dave Gilmour	Ottawa	4	7	5.1	41	14
Suddy Gilmour	Ottawa	7	7	5.1	72	14
Harry Bright	Shamrocks	8	7	4.17	82	17

1904	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Bowie, Russell	Victorias	8	27	6.87	82	40
Jordan, Herb	Quebec	6	19	7.86	62	25
Russell, Blair	Victorias	8	17	6.87	82	25
Howard, Cavie	Victorias	6	16	6.87	62	24
McGee, Frank	Ottawa	4	12	7.39	41	17
Sargent, Grover	Montreal	6	11	7.03	62	16
Power, Joe	Quebec	6	10	7.86	62	13
Coulson, Herbert	Montreal	6	8	7.03	62	12
Smith, Alf	Ottawa	4	8	7.39	41	11
Foulis, Colin	Shamrocks	6	7	6.01	62	12

1905	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Bowie, Russell	Victorias	8	27	6.22	73	40
Russel, Blair	Victorias	8	19	6.22	73	28
Power, Joe	Quebec	9	15	6.48	82	21
Foulis, Colin	Westmount	7	13	6.21	64	19
Russell, Ernie	Montreal	8	11	6.55	73	15
Ross, Art	Westmount	8	10	6.21	73	15
Hogan, Eddie	Quebec	9	10	6.48	82	14
Church, Tom	Westmount	9	9	6.21	82	13
Howard, Cavie	Victorias	8	9	6.22	73	13
Jordan, Herb	Quebec	8	9	6.48	73	13

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1904	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Jack Marshall	Wanderers	4	11	6.01	55	25
Edgar Dey	Capitals	6	11	4.55	82	33
Ken Mallen	Wanderers & Cornwall	6	10	5.72	82	24
Alphonse Prevost	Le National	6	9	5.44	82	23
Percy Sims	Capitals	5	9	4.55	68	27
Jack Laviolette	Nationals	6	8	5.44	82	20
"Pokey" Leahy	Wanderers	5	7	6.01	68	16
Jimmy Gardner	Wanderers	6	5	6.01	82	11
Ed Decarie	Le National	6	5	5.44	82	13
Fred Strike	Wanderers	2	4	6.01	27	9

1905	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
McGee, Frank	Ottawa	6	17	4.88	62	36
Marshall, Jack	Wanderers	8	17	4.63	82	38
Westwick, Harry	Ottawa	8	15	4.88	82	32
Smith, Alf	Ottawa	8	13	4.88	82	27
Blachford, Cecil	Wanderers	7	10	4.63	72	22
Glass, Frank	Wanderers	6	9	4.63	62	20
Lannon, W.	Brockville	8	7	4.53	82	16
Shore, Hamby	Ottawa	3	6	4.88	31	13
Marks, Jack	Brockville	8	6	4.53	82	14
Mallette, Bob	Cornwall	8	5	4.31	82	12

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1902	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Alf Smith	Pittsburgh A.C	14	11	3.11	82	21
Lorne Campbell	Bankers	13	6	2.14	76	16

1903	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Bruce Stuart	Victorias	10	16	3.07	59	31
Lorne Campbell	Bankers	14	14	3.59	82	23
Hod Stuart	Bankers	13	7	3.59	76	11

1904	Club	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Lorne Campbell	Bankers	15	21	3.48	82	33

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1905	Team	GP	G	Oppo. GA	Adj. GP	Adj. G
Ken Mallen (RW)	Calumet Miners	24	38	4.63	82	28
Lorne Campbell (C)	Pittsburgh Professionals	24	29	3.91	82	25
^	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	4	6	4.56	14	5
Bruce Stuart (C)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	22	33	4.56	75	25
Hod Stuart (D)	Calumet Miners	22	18	4.63	75	13
Jimmy Gardner (LW)	Calumet Miners	23	16	4.63	79	12
Jack Laviolette (D)	Michigan Soo Indians	24	15	4.58	82	11
Fred Lake (LW/D)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	24	14	4.56	82	10
Barney Holden (D)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	24	9	4.56	82	7
Jack Gibson (F)	Portage Lakes Hockey Club	24	2	4.56	82	1

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The accumulated "significant seasons" from 1886-87 to 1904-05:

“Significant” seasons up to 1905	Sig. Seas.	Adj. GP	Adj. G	Adj. G/GP	Notes
Bowie, Russell	7	515	289	0.56
Swift, Albert E. “Dolly”	6	437	168	0.38
Russel, Blair	6	473	134	0.28
Campbell, Lorne	5	408	129	0.32
Smith, Alf	6	451	123	0.27
McKerrow, Clarence	4	267	121	0.45
Westwick, Harry “Rat”	5	400	112	0.28	No data from his two seasons in the OHA.
MacDougall, Robert	4	247	107	0.43
Routh, Haviland	3	236	106	0.45
Marshall, Jack	4	291	106	0.36
Trihey, Harry	3	216	102	0.47
Stuart, Bruce	4	267	99	0.37	Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
McGee, Frank	3	165	81	0.49	Probable three retro Conn Smythes.

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“Significant” seasons up to 1905	Sig. Seas.	Adj. GP	Adj. G	Adj. G/GP	Notes
Bowie, Russell	7	515	289	0.56
Swift, Albert E. “Dolly”	6	437	168	0.38
Russel, Blair	6	473	134	0.28
Campbell, Lorne	5	408	129	0.32
Smith, Alf	6	451	123	0.27
McKerrow, Clarence	4	267	121	0.45
Westwick, Harry “Rat”	5	400	112	0.28	No data from his two seasons in the OHA.
MacDougall, Robert	4	247	107	0.43
Routh, Haviland	3	236	106	0.45
Marshall, Jack	4	291	106	0.36
Trihey, Harry	3	216	102	0.47
Stuart, Bruce	4	267	99	0.37	Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
McGee, Frank	3	165	81	0.49	Probable three retro Conn Smythes.
MacNaughton, Archibald “Archie”	3	234	79	0.34
Hodgson, Archie	4	285	74	0.26
Davidson, Cam	3	206	71	0.34
Drinkwater, Graham	3	246	70	0.28
Barlow, Billy	3	236	68	0.29
Kirby, Chauncey	4	304	68	0.22
Davidson, Shirley	3	216	67	0.31
Jordan, Herb	3	207	65	0.31
Farrell, Arthur	3	246	64	0.26
Brown, Dave	3	173	63	0.36
Lee, Sam	5	227	60	0.26
Hooper, Archie	2	144	59	0.41	Earliest known player to die from a hockey-related injury (puck to head, 1904).
Russell, Herbert	2	164	59	0.36
Bradley, Robert	2	164	58	0.35
Mallen, Ken	2	164	52	0.32
Liffiton, Charlie	3	246	52	0.21
Rankin, Norman	2	133	49	0.37
Gillespie, James	2	164	49	0.30
Lowe, George	5	281	48	0.17
Findlay, Jack	2	164	43	0.26
Christmas, Billy	2	123	40	0.33
Campbell, Jack	2	164	38	0.23
Stuart, Hod	3	233	38	0.16	Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
Howard, Cavie	2	135	37	0.27
Power, Joe	2	144	34	0.24
Doyle, Pat	2	164	34	0.21
Dey, Edgar	1	82	33	0.40
Brannen, Jack	2	164	33	0.20
Henry, Harold	2	164	33	0.20
Kinghorn, James	2	94	32	0.34
Stuart, Edward	2	113	32	0.28
Elliot, D.A.	1	70	31	0.44
Foulis, Colin	2	126	31	0.25
Laviolette, Jack	2	164	31	0.19
Horsfall, Herbert	2	164	28	0.17
Sims, Percy	1	68	27	0.40
Virtue, James	1	82	27	0.33
Scott, Arthur	2	94	27	0.29
Kingan, Alexander	2	105	26	0.25
Brown, Desse	1	82	24	0.29
Prevost, Alphonse	1	82	23	0.28
Gardner, Jimmy	2	161	23	0.14
Blachford, Cecil	1	72	22	0.31
Hutchison, Howard	1	82	21	0.26
McLea, Ernie	1	82	21	0.26
Shearer, Andy	2	164	21	0.13
Fairbairn,	1	51	20	0.39
Glass, Frank “Pud”	1	62	20	0.32
Gilmour, Billy	1	72	20	0.28
Dobby, Bill	1	82	20	0.24
Virtue, William	1	33	19	0.58
Roger, Mac	1	51	19	0.37
Ewing, Jack	1	51	18	0.35
Mussen, Adurey	1	51	18	0.35
Ashe, Fred	1	59	18	0.31
White, Frank	1	62	18	0.29
McCarron, George	1	21	17	0.81
Davidson, K.	1	41	17	0.41
Howard, R.	1	72	17	0.24
Sixsmith, Arthur	1	72	17	0.24
Bright, Harry	1	82	17	0.21
Gillilan, David	1	31	16	0.52
Sargent, Grover	1	62	16	0.26
Leahy, “Pokey”	1	68	16	0.24
McDougall, Sam	1	72	16	0.22
Murray, William	1	72	16	0.22
Lannon, W.	1	82	16	0.20
Ross, Art	1	73	15	0.21
Russell, Ernie	1	73	15	0.21
Dowd, Frank	1	35	14	0.40
McQuisten, Sam	1	35	14	0.40
Gilmour, Dave	1	41	14	0.34
Lemesurier, Percy	1	41	14	0.34
Smith, Jack	1	41	14	0.34
Kirby, Holder	1	68	14	0.21
Craven, J.	1	70	14	0.20
Gilmour, Suddy	1	72	14	0.19
Hogan, Eddie	1	82	14	0.17
Kerr, Jack	1	82	14	0.17
Marks, Jack	1	82	14	0.17
Cafferty, Thomas	1	23	13	0.57
McQuisten, Stewart	1	23	13	0.57
Shore, Hamby	1	31	13	0.42
Ritchie, A.	1	35	13	0.37
Church, Tom	1	82	13	0.16
Decarie, Ed	1	82	13	0.16
Arnton, Jack	2	82	13	0.16
Coulson, Herbert	1	62	12	0.19
Mallette, Bob	1	82	12	0.15
Lake, Fred	1	82	10	0.12
Russel, Bert	1	82	10	0.12
Strike, Fred	1	27	9	0.33
Cameron, Allan	2	140	9	0.06
Holden, Barney	1	82	7	0.09
Barlow, Eddie	1	35	6	0.17
Warden, W.	1	23	3	0.13

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The accumulated "significant seasons" from 1900-01 to 1904-05, for players of interest:

“Significant” seasons, 1901 to 1905	Sig. Seas.	Adj. GP	Adj. G	Adj. G/GP	Notes
Bowie, Russell	5	371	223	0.60
Campbell, Lorne	5	408	129	0.32
Russel, Blair	5	401	112	0.28
Marshall, Jack	4	291	106	0.36
McGee, Frank	3	165	81	0.49	Probable three retro Conn Smythes.
Stuart, Bruce	3	216	78	0.36	Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
Westwick, Harry “Rat”	3	236	73	0.31	No data from his two seasons in the OHA.
Jordan, Herb	3	207	65	0.31
Smith, Alf	3	205	59	0.29
Hooper, Archie	2	144	59	0.41	Earliest known player to die from a hockey-related injury (puck to side of head, 1904).
Mallen, Ken	2	164	52	0.32
Stuart, Hod	3	233	38	0.16	Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
Gardner, Jimmy	2	161	23	0.14
Glass, Frank “Pud”	1	62	20	0.32

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I'm going to need to mull over an all-time top 10 as of 1905. If I had to guess at a Top 10 for 1900-01 to 1904-05, in alphabetical order:

Forwards

Russell Bowie
Lorne Campbell
Frank McGee
Bruce Stuart
Harry Westwick

Defence

Dickie Boon
Harvey Pulford
Hod Stuart

Both

Jack Marshall

Goal (TBD)

John Bouse Hutton (probably)

Blair Russel was productive enough to be in the top 10, but he had the lowest adjusted goals per game of the players in the upper echelon, and it was either him or Dickie Boon...

I'll likely do my goaltending/GSAA analysis tomorrow.

tarheelhockey · Nov 17, 2020

Black Gold Extractor said:
This is the second data dump, this time regarding scoring. With multiple leagues and incomplete data, it's basically pointless to do a leaderboard appearances tally, so instead I combined the best of both worlds: a concept that I'm calling "significant seasons". Basically, only seasons that are top-10 in their league are added to totals. This should eliminate the "compiler" issue.

From 1900-01 to 1904-05:

1901 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Russell Bowie Victorias 7 24 3.91 72 63
Lorne Campbell Montreal 7 10 3.75 72 27
Arthur Farrell Shamrocks 8 10 4.13 82 25
Harold Henry Ottawa 8 8 4.28 82 19
Blair Russel Victorias 8 8 3.91 82 21
Arthur Sixsmith Ottawa 7 7 4.28 72 17
Harry Trihey Shamrocks 7 7 4.13 72 17
Charlie Liffiton Montreal 8 6 3.75 82 16
Harry Westwick Ottawa 7 6 4.28 72 14
Edward Stuart Victorias 5 6 3.91 51 16
Jack Smith Ottawa 4 6 4.28 41 14
1902 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Archie Hooper Montreal 8 17 4.25 82 41
Russell Bowie Victorias 7 13 3.94 72 34
Jack Marshall Montreal 8 11 4.25 82 27
Rat Westwick Ottawa 8 11 4.25 82 27
Bruce Stuart Ottawa 8 9 4.25 82 22
Blair Russel Victorias 8 9 3.94 82 23
Charlie Liffiton Montreal 8 8 4.25 82 19
Harold Henry Ottawa 8 6 4.25 82 14
Edward Stuart Victorias 6 6 3.94 62 16
Percy Lemesurier Quebec 4 5 3.66 41 14
Hod Stuart Quebec 8 5 3.66 82 14
1903 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Russell Bowie Victorias 7 22 4.88 72 46
Frank McGee Ottawa 6 14 5.1 62 28
Herb Jordan Quebec 7 12 4.49 72 27
Billy Gilmour Ottawa 7 10 5.1 72 20
Archie Hooper Montreal 6 9 5.05 62 18
Jack Marshall Montreal 7 8 5.05 72 16
Blair Russell Victorias 8 7 4.88 82 15
Dave Gilmour Ottawa 4 7 5.1 41 14
Suddy Gilmour Ottawa 7 7 5.1 72 14
Harry Bright Shamrocks 8 7 4.17 82 17
1904 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Bowie, Russell Victorias 8 27 6.87 82 40
Jordan, Herb Quebec 6 19 7.86 62 25
Russell, Blair Victorias 8 17 6.87 82 25
Howard, Cavie Victorias 6 16 6.87 62 24
McGee, Frank Ottawa 4 12 7.39 41 17
Sargent, Grover Montreal 6 11 7.03 62 16
Power, Joe Quebec 6 10 7.86 62 13
Coulson, Herbert Montreal 6 8 7.03 62 12
Smith, Alf Ottawa 4 8 7.39 41 11
Foulis, Colin Shamrocks 6 7 6.01 62 12
1905 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Bowie, Russell Victorias 8 27 6.22 73 40
Russel, Blair Victorias 8 19 6.22 73 28
Power, Joe Quebec 9 15 6.48 82 21
Foulis, Colin Westmount 7 13 6.21 64 19
Russell, Ernie Montreal 8 11 6.55 73 15
Ross, Art Westmount 8 10 6.21 73 15
Hogan, Eddie Quebec 9 10 6.48 82 14
Church, Tom Westmount 9 9 6.21 82 13
Howard, Cavie Victorias 8 9 6.22 73 13
Jordan, Herb Quebec 8 9 6.48 73 13
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1904 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Jack Marshall Wanderers 4 11 6.01 55 25
Edgar Dey Capitals 6 11 4.55 82 33
Ken Mallen Wanderers &
Cornwall 6 10 5.72 82 24
Alphonse Prevost Le National 6 9 5.44 82 23
Percy Sims Capitals 5 9 4.55 68 27
Jack Laviolette Nationals 6 8 5.44 82 20
"Pokey" Leahy Wanderers 5 7 6.01 68 16
Jimmy Gardner Wanderers 6 5 6.01 82 11
Ed Decarie Le National 6 5 5.44 82 13
Fred Strike Wanderers 2 4 6.01 27 9
1905 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
McGee, Frank Ottawa 6 17 4.88 62 36
Marshall, Jack Wanderers 8 17 4.63 82 38
Westwick, Harry Ottawa 8 15 4.88 82 32
Smith, Alf Ottawa 8 13 4.88 82 27
Blachford, Cecil Wanderers 7 10 4.63 72 22
Glass, Frank Wanderers 6 9 4.63 62 20
Lannon, W. Brockville 8 7 4.53 82 16
Shore, Hamby Ottawa 3 6 4.88 31 13
Marks, Jack Brockville 8 6 4.53 82 14
Mallette, Bob Cornwall 8 5 4.31 82 12
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1902 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Alf Smith Pittsburgh A.C 14 11 3.11 82 21
Lorne Campbell Bankers 13 6 2.14 76 16
1903 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Bruce Stuart Victorias 10 16 3.07 59 31
Lorne Campbell Bankers 14 14 3.59 82 23
Hod Stuart Bankers 13 7 3.59 76 11
1904 Club GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Lorne Campbell Bankers 15 21 3.48 82 33
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1905 Team GP G Oppo. GA Adj. GP Adj. G
Ken Mallen (RW) Calumet Miners 24 38 4.63 82 28
Lorne Campbell (C) Pittsburgh Professionals 24 29 3.91 82 25
^ Portage Lakes Hockey Club 4 6 4.56 14 5
Bruce Stuart (C) Portage Lakes Hockey Club 22 33 4.56 75 25
Hod Stuart (D) Calumet Miners 22 18 4.63 75 13
Jimmy Gardner (LW) Calumet Miners 23 16 4.63 79 12
Jack Laviolette (D) Michigan Soo Indians 24 15 4.58 82 11
Fred Lake (LW/D) Portage Lakes Hockey Club 24 14 4.56 82 10
Barney Holden (D) Portage Lakes Hockey Club 24 9 4.56 82 7
Jack Gibson (F) Portage Lakes Hockey Club 24 2 4.56 82 1
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The accumulated "significant seasons" from 1886-87 to 1904-05:

“Significant” seasons up to 1905 Sig. Seas. Adj. GP Adj. G Adj. G/GP Notes
Bowie, Russell 7 515 289 0.56
Swift, Albert E. “Dolly” 6 437 168 0.38
Russel, Blair 6 473 134 0.28
Campbell, Lorne 5 408 129 0.32
Smith, Alf 6 451 123 0.27
McKerrow, Clarence 4 267 121 0.45
Westwick, Harry “Rat” 5 400 112 0.28 No data from his two seasons in the OHA.
MacDougall, Robert 4 247 107 0.43
Routh, Haviland 3 236 106 0.45
Marshall, Jack 4 291 106 0.36
Trihey, Harry 3 216 102 0.47
Stuart, Bruce 4 267 99 0.37 Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
McGee, Frank 3 165 81 0.49 Probable three retro Conn Smythes.
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“Significant” seasons up to 1905 Sig. Seas. Adj. GP Adj. G Adj. G/GP Notes
Bowie, Russell 7 515 289 0.56
Swift, Albert E. “Dolly” 6 437 168 0.38
Russel, Blair 6 473 134 0.28
Campbell, Lorne 5 408 129 0.32
Smith, Alf 6 451 123 0.27
McKerrow, Clarence 4 267 121 0.45
Westwick, Harry “Rat” 5 400 112 0.28 No data from his two seasons in the OHA.
MacDougall, Robert 4 247 107 0.43
Routh, Haviland 3 236 106 0.45
Marshall, Jack 4 291 106 0.36
Trihey, Harry 3 216 102 0.47
Stuart, Bruce 4 267 99 0.37 Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
McGee, Frank 3 165 81 0.49 Probable three retro Conn Smythes.
MacNaughton, Archibald “Archie” 3 234 79 0.34
Hodgson, Archie 4 285 74 0.26
Davidson, Cam 3 206 71 0.34
Drinkwater, Graham 3 246 70 0.28
Barlow, Billy 3 236 68 0.29
Kirby, Chauncey 4 304 68 0.22
Davidson, Shirley 3 216 67 0.31
Jordan, Herb 3 207 65 0.31
Farrell, Arthur 3 246 64 0.26
Brown, Dave 3 173 63 0.36
Lee, Sam 5 227 60 0.26
Hooper, Archie 2 144 59 0.41 Earliest known player to die from a hockey-related injury (puck to head, 1904).
Russell, Herbert 2 164 59 0.36
Bradley, Robert 2 164 58 0.35
Mallen, Ken 2 164 52 0.32
Liffiton, Charlie 3 246 52 0.21
Rankin, Norman 2 133 49 0.37
Gillespie, James 2 164 49 0.30
Lowe, George 5 281 48 0.17
Findlay, Jack 2 164 43 0.26
Christmas, Billy 2 123 40 0.33
Campbell, Jack 2 164 38 0.23
Stuart, Hod 3 233 38 0.16 Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
Howard, Cavie 2 135 37 0.27
Power, Joe 2 144 34 0.24
Doyle, Pat 2 164 34 0.21
Dey, Edgar 1 82 33 0.40
Brannen, Jack 2 164 33 0.20
Henry, Harold 2 164 33 0.20
Kinghorn, James 2 94 32 0.34
Stuart, Edward 2 113 32 0.28
Elliot, D.A. 1 70 31 0.44
Foulis, Colin 2 126 31 0.25
Laviolette, Jack 2 164 31 0.19
Horsfall, Herbert 2 164 28 0.17
Sims, Percy 1 68 27 0.40
Virtue, James 1 82 27 0.33
Scott, Arthur 2 94 27 0.29
Kingan, Alexander 2 105 26 0.25
Brown, Desse 1 82 24 0.29
Prevost, Alphonse 1 82 23 0.28
Gardner, Jimmy 2 161 23 0.14
Blachford, Cecil 1 72 22 0.31
Hutchison, Howard 1 82 21 0.26
McLea, Ernie 1 82 21 0.26
Shearer, Andy 2 164 21 0.13
Fairbairn, 1 51 20 0.39
Glass, Frank “Pud” 1 62 20 0.32
Gilmour, Billy 1 72 20 0.28
Dobby, Bill 1 82 20 0.24
Virtue, William 1 33 19 0.58
Roger, Mac 1 51 19 0.37
Ewing, Jack 1 51 18 0.35
Mussen, Adurey 1 51 18 0.35
Ashe, Fred 1 59 18 0.31
White, Frank 1 62 18 0.29
McCarron, George 1 21 17 0.81
Davidson, K. 1 41 17 0.41
Howard, R. 1 72 17 0.24
Sixsmith, Arthur 1 72 17 0.24
Bright, Harry 1 82 17 0.21
Gillilan, David 1 31 16 0.52
Sargent, Grover 1 62 16 0.26
Leahy, “Pokey” 1 68 16 0.24
McDougall, Sam 1 72 16 0.22
Murray, William 1 72 16 0.22
Lannon, W. 1 82 16 0.20
Ross, Art 1 73 15 0.21
Russell, Ernie 1 73 15 0.21
Dowd, Frank 1 35 14 0.40
McQuisten, Sam 1 35 14 0.40
Gilmour, Dave 1 41 14 0.34
Lemesurier, Percy 1 41 14 0.34
Smith, Jack 1 41 14 0.34
Kirby, Holder 1 68 14 0.21
Craven, J. 1 70 14 0.20
Gilmour, Suddy 1 72 14 0.19
Hogan, Eddie 1 82 14 0.17
Kerr, Jack 1 82 14 0.17
Marks, Jack 1 82 14 0.17
Cafferty, Thomas 1 23 13 0.57
McQuisten, Stewart 1 23 13 0.57
Shore, Hamby 1 31 13 0.42
Ritchie, A. 1 35 13 0.37
Church, Tom 1 82 13 0.16
Decarie, Ed 1 82 13 0.16
Arnton, Jack 2 82 13 0.16
Coulson, Herbert 1 62 12 0.19
Mallette, Bob 1 82 12 0.15
Lake, Fred 1 82 10 0.12
Russel, Bert 1 82 10 0.12
Strike, Fred 1 27 9 0.33
Cameron, Allan 2 140 9 0.06
Holden, Barney 1 82 7 0.09
Barlow, Eddie 1 35 6 0.17
Warden, W. 1 23 3 0.13
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The accumulated "significant seasons" from 1900-01 to 1904-05, for players of interest:

“Significant” seasons, 1901 to 1905 Sig. Seas. Adj. GP Adj. G Adj. G/GP Notes
Bowie, Russell 5 371 223 0.60
Campbell, Lorne 5 408 129 0.32
Russel, Blair 5 401 112 0.28
Marshall, Jack 4 291 106 0.36
McGee, Frank 3 165 81 0.49 Probable three retro Conn Smythes.
Stuart, Bruce 3 216 78 0.36 Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
Westwick, Harry “Rat” 3 236 73 0.31 No data from his two seasons in the OHA.
Jordan, Herb 3 207 65 0.31
Smith, Alf 3 205 59 0.29
Hooper, Archie 2 144 59 0.41 Earliest known player to die from a hockey-related injury (puck to side of head, 1904).
Mallen, Ken 2 164 52 0.32
Stuart, Hod 3 233 38 0.16 Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition matches from 1903-04.
Gardner, Jimmy 2 161 23 0.14
Glass, Frank “Pud” 1 62 20 0.32
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I'm going to need to mull over an all-time top 10 as of 1905. If I had to guess at a Top 10 for 1900-01 to 1904-05, in alphabetical order:

Forwards

Russell Bowie
Lorne Campbell
Frank McGee
Bruce Stuart
Harry Westwick

Defence

Dickie Boon
Harvey Pulford
Hod Stuart

Both

Jack Marshall

Goal (TBD)

John Bouse Hutton (probably)

Blair Russel was productive enough to be in the top 10, but he had the lowest adjusted goals per game of the players in the upper echelon, and it was either him or Dickie Boon...

I'll likely do my goaltending/GSAA analysis tomorrow.

I can't really add anything without taking some time to mull over it, but just wanted to say this is awesome work.

Sanf · Nov 18, 2020

I don´t have that much about Blair Russell, but here is something from this time span. His value was more in his overall game than in his goals.

The Ottawa Journal 9. Feb 1903
The forwards played an individual game especially in the first half, and they all seemed to be "up in the air" with the exception of Russell who was all over the ice.

The Montreal Gazette 11. Mar 1903
Blair Russell played a steady game throughout and worked hard every minute.

The Montreal Gazetter 9. Mar 1903
Russell held Gilmour off and rather surprised the Ottawa man who had frequently gone through on a fairly open wing.
...
But when matters looked serious Russell checked the puck clear and Bowie carried it down to Ottawa end...
....
When Gilmour returned the Ottawa bunch looked particularly likely and effective checking by Russell and Bert Strachan was the salvation of the Vics

The Gazette 6. Mar 1905
Next to importance to Bowie is Blair Russell, who has been frequently mentioned as candidate for left wing on all-star Eastern team. Blair played with Tucker´s school at the same time as Bowie and has figured on the senior Vics for the last five years. He has perhaps no equal in shooting from the side, and also in following back when his own goals are in danger. Blair never tires and can hold to the pace when others are dead.
....
Bowie was even more brilliant than usual, and with Blair Russell´s aid, worked in some combination tricks that phased the Westmount´s defence time and again. Blair was also in great form, and his skating back was a feature. Allowing the other man yards Blair could always be trusterd to run him down and steal the puck. In this respect frequently erred on the side of over-zeal, leaving his position to catch a man on the other wing. The result was that when he did secure the disc and entanglement with Gilbert usually followed.

The Gazette 17. Feb 1905
Russell, of the Victorias, and Gilmour of the McGill university team, would take fences on the All-Canadian team. They are a fine pair and work like beavers. Russell is not a great scorer, but he is a gold-mine in point of value to his own defence. Lot an opponent get the puck and make for goals, and Russell pounces on him like an eagle, hacking and slashing at opponents stick. With Russell skating on even terms with his victim the victim is goint to lose the puck. It happens nine times out of tehn. And no one ever saw Russell tired. With head lowered, he is in the thick of everything, from the referee´s whistle to the top of the gong.

Sanf · Nov 18, 2020

Was going through some notes from Tommy Phillips and certainly case could be made that he was top 10 player even from this time period. Not sure if it serves the purpose though. He was already at the start of 1905-1906 compared to McGee and talks of him being the best in game. Gathered reputations of being best in OHA and in West. And most talked player in East.

VanIslander · Nov 18, 2020

tarheelhockey said:
...
Defensemen
Dickie Boon
Mike Grant (until 1902)
Si Griffis (from 1901-02)
Fred Lake
Jack Marshall
Harvey Pulford
Art Ross (from 1902-03)
Hod Stuart
Forwards
Dan Bain (from 1902-03)
Russ Bowie
Jimmy Gardner
Pud Glass (from 1901-02)
Frank McGee
Tommy Phillips
Blair Russel
Alf Smith
Harry Smith (from 1902-03)
Bruce Stuart
Harry Trihey (until 1901)
Harry "Rat" Westwick
Goalies
Riley Hern
John Bouse Hutton
Paddy Moran
Questions that come to mind:
- Who in this era might be considered underrated/overrated?

It's clear to me, underrated in the ATDs:

Boon, Trihey, McGee.

A bit (not much) overrated:

Griffis, Glass, Westwick.

Black Gold Extractor · Nov 18, 2020

tarheelhockey said:
I can't really add anything without taking some time to mull over it, but just wanted to say this is awesome work.

Thanks!

In any case, here is the third data dump: this time for goalies.

1901	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Oppo. GF/GP	GSAA
Chittick, Fred	Ottawa	1	0	1	0.0	3.88	3.9
Lockerby, Archie	Victorias	1	2		2.0	3.50	1.5
Hutton, John Bouse	Ottawa	7	20		2.9	3.88	6.9
McKenna, James H.	Shamrocks	8	25		3.1	3.97	7.0
O'Meara, Mark	Quebec	1	4		4.0	4.25	0.3
Munro, Fred	Victorias	7	30		4.3	3.50	-5.6
Nicholson, Billy	Montreal	8	37		4.6	4.03	-4.6
Stocking, Frank	Quebec	7	38		5.4	4.25	-8.1

1902	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Oppo. GF/GP	GSAA
Billy Nicholson	Montreal	8	15	2	1.7	3.50	14.4
Bouse Hutton	Ottawa	8	15	2	1.7	3.63	15.4
Archie Lockerby	Victorias	6	15		2.5	3.59	6.5
Paddy Moran	Quebec	8	34		4.3	3.91	-3.1
Fred Munro	Victorias	2	10		5.0	3.59	-2.8
Patrick O'Reilly	Shamrocks	8	62		7.8	4.25	-28.4

1903	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Oppo. GF/GP	GSAA
Archie Lockerby	Victorias	3	6		2.0	4.41	7.2
Billy Nicholson	Montreal	7	19	1	2.7	4.76	14.4
Bouse Hutton	Ottawa	8	26	2	3.3	4.44	9.1
Jim Nichol	Victorias	5	27		5.4	4.41	-5.0
Paddy Moran	Quebec	7	46		6.6	4.84	-12.3
Patrick O'Reilly	Shamrocks	8	56		7.0	5.25	-14.0

1904	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Oppo. GF/GP	GSAA
Hutton, John Bouse	Ottawa	4	15		3.8	7.04	13.0
Nichol, Jim	Victorias	8	48		6.0	6.44	3.5
Moran, Paddy	Quebec	6	37		6.2	6.27	0.4
Waugh, Oliver	Montreal	5	32		6.4	7.51	5.6
Brophy, Fred	Montreal	1	8		8.0	7.51	-0.5
Mike Kenny	Shamrocks	4	35		8.8	7.59	-4.8
S. Price	Montreal	1	9		9.0	7.51	-1.5
James Cloran	Shamrocks	3	39		13.0	7.59	-16.2

1905	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Oppo. GF/GP	GSAA
Nathan Frye	Victorias	8	32		4.0	6.33	18.6
Oliver Waugh	Montreal	9	42		4.7	6.24	13.9
Paddy Moran	Quebec	9	45		5.0	5.65	5.9
Mike Kenny	Shamrocks	9	62		6.9	6.56	-3.1
Fred Brophy	Westmount	6	49		8.2	5.73	-14.8
Edgar Darling	Westmount	3	26		8.7	5.73	-8.9
Joseph Cattarinich	Le National	4	42		10.5	6.33	-16.7

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1904 FAHL	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Oppo. GF/GP	GSAA
Nicholson, Billy	Wanderers	6	18	0	3.0	4.17	7.0
Grenier	Capitals	1	4	0	4.0	4.72	0.7
Hunter, Jack	Cornwall	6	27	0	4.5	5.17	4.0
Henri Menard	Le National	6	27	0	4.5	4.78	1.7
Moffatt	Capitals	2	12	0	6.0	4.72	-2.6
Cope, A.	Capitals	2	15	0	7.5	4.72	-5.6
Hurdman	Capitals	1	10	0	10.0	4.72	-5.3

1905 FAHL	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Oppo. GF/GP	GSAA
Finnie, Dave	Ottawa	8	19	2	2.4	3.59	9.5
Baker, W.	Wanderers	7	23	0	3.3	4.09	5.5
Kerr	Brockville	8	30	0	3.8	4.41	4.9
Lavigne	Montagnards	1	4	0	4.0	4.88	0.9
Brighton	Wanderers	1	4	0	4.0	4.09	0.1
Hunter, Jack	Cornwall	8	37	0	4.6	4.91	2.5
Menard, Henri	Montagnards	7	58	0	8.3	4.88	-23.9

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1902 WPHL	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	GSAA
Riley Hern	Keystones	14	32		2.3	2.61	4.5

1903 WPHL	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	GSAA
Riley Hern	Keystones	12	61		5.1	3.42	-20.0

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1905 IPHL	Club	GP	GA	SO	GA/GP	Avg. Opponent GF	GSAA
Billy Nicholson	Calumet	24	75		3.1	3.73	14.5
Chief Jones	Michigan Soo	24	79		3.3	4.25	23.0
Riley Hern	Portage Lakes	24	81		3.4	4.07	16.6
Pete Maltman	Canadian Soo	24	140		5.8	4.08	-42.0
Jack Winchester	Pittsburgh Pros	24	144		6.0	4.24	-42.3

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The accumulated GSAA from 1886-87 to 1904-05 for players of interest:

Career up to 1905	GP	GSAA	GSAA/GP	Notes
Hutton, John Bouse	36	56.7	1.57
Nicholson, Billy	57	54.0	0.95
Paton, Tom	39	28.2	0.72
Collins, Herb	52	26.0	0.50
Jones, Joseph “Chief”	24	23.0	0.96	Unsure how to use exhibition games in 1902-03 and 1903-04.
Lockerby, Archie	10	15.3	1.53
Chittick, Fred	32	14.7	0.46
Morel, Albert	23	14.1	0.61
Lewis, Gordon	20	7.5	0.37
Hunter, Jack	14	6.5	0.46
Jones, Robert	19	4.1	0.22
Hern, William “Riley”	50	1.2	0.02	Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition games in 1903-04.
Moran, Patrick “Paddy”	30	-9.2	-0.31

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I think that it's pretty clear that the most accomplished goalie up until 1904-05 is John Bouse Hutton.

The accumulated GSAA from 1900-01 to 1904-05 for players of interest:

Career, 1901 to 1905	GP	GSAA	GSAA/GP	Notes
Nicholson, Billy	53	45.8	0.86
Hutton, John Bouse	27	44.4	1.64
Jones, Joseph “Chief”	24	23.0	0.96	Unsure how to use exhibition games in 1902-03 and 1903-04.
Lockerby, Archie	10	15.3	1.53
Hunter, Jack	14	6.5	0.46
Hern, William "Riley"	50	1.2	0.02	Unsure how to use Portage Lakes exhibition games in 1903-04.
Moran, Patrick "Paddy"	30	-9.2	-0.31

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Bouse Hutton retired in 1903-04 but is still almost the period leader in GSAA despite playing in only half of the games of Billy Nicholson.

It is worth noting that while Riley Hern and Paddy Moran are at the bottom of this list, they were both net positives by 1904-05 (+0.69 GSAA/GP for Hern and +0.66 GSAA/GP for Moran).

In 1904-05, with Hutton retired, Chief Jones of the Michigan Soo in the IPHL really might have been the best goalie in the world. (Nathan Frye and Oliver Waugh put up a show in the suddenly Ottawa-less CAHL, but they both fall back to Earth with the formation of the ECAHA next season.)

Another interesting goalie is Archie Lockerby, who doesn't have a large sample size, but he manages to be a net positive over three consecutive seasons. Perhaps he just wasn't really into unpaid hockey, or maybe he really did just get lucky over a ten-game stretch (even if it was spread over three seasons).

Sanf · Nov 19, 2020

Black Gold Extractor said:
Another interesting goalie is Archie Lockerby, who doesn't have a large sample size, but he manages to be a net positive over three consecutive seasons. Perhaps he just wasn't really into unpaid hockey, or maybe he really did just get lucky over a ten-game stretch (even if it was spread over three seasons).

Lockerby is good call. He did good in that stint. He replaced Munroe after he was "ill and nervous".

I have one quote calling him "Best-ever type" from 1903. I can´t remeber or probably don´t even know why the Victorias had Nichol in 1903-1904. Nichol was quite eratic (came from Monreal A.A.A juniors IIRC). Lockerby played early in that season at intermediates. But in 1903 "playoffs"/"Stanley cup final" Lockerby was the trusted one even though Nichol played more in "regular season".

Overall there isn´t much I know about Lockerby. I have him playing Junior Vics in 1899. He tried comeback with Vics in 1906-1907, but they went with Frye. 1907-1908 he had injury filled and rather unsuccesful stint with Montreal A.A.A. So he "declined" quite quickly.

tarheelhockey · Nov 23, 2020

Lots of info to digest, and the lack of standardization across leagues makes it tough to judge, but here's a shot at a top-10 from this time period:

1. Russell Bowie
2. Frank McGee
3. Hod Stuart
4. Bouse Hutton
5. Lorne Campbell
6. Bruce Stuart
7. Blair Russel
8. Jack Marshall
9. Dickie Boon
10. Doc Gibson

HM: Rat Westwick, Alf Smith, Si Griffis, Ken Mallen, Harvey Pulford, Paddy Moran, Riley Hern, Chief Jones

Andrew Leitch · Feb 18, 2021

This analysis is great. Just wondering where you pulled your data from?

tarheelhockey · Feb 18, 2021

Andrew Leitch said:
This analysis is great. Just wondering where you pulled your data from?

Tagging @Black Gold Extractor to be sure he sees the question.

jcs0218 · Feb 18, 2021

"One Eyed" Frank McGee is a legend!

Discussion: Who were the best 10 players 1900-1905?

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