Jumptheshark
Rebooting myself
In the rumour and proposal discussion we have slightly gotten off track with Schremp discussion and how things went with him.
if the mods do no think this is thread worthy--they can nuke it. I figure instead of bickering in the other thread over prospects where things went wrong and the how and why's of it--I thought maybe having one thread where we look at players like Omark, Schremp, Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson and others to discuss and learn where the development of players went right and wrong.
Schremp is one of the prospects where for nearly 5 years there was close to trench warfare between the pro-schremp group and the Schremp sucks group(which I anointed myself leader of).
for me Schremp is a prospect who people saw what they wanted to see and played down what concerned others. I was was firmly on the Schremp sucks group 24 hours after the draft when more info came out as to why he went from being a top 5 pick in September of his draft year to being listed as late as a 4th on some teams lists. He had a bad attitude and had what I would call soft numbers (the tough minutes and the guy who had the hardest playing time on the team was Dave Bolland). But it was Schremps off ice attitude that the more I learned about the more I disliked the kid. He surrounded himself with yes people and had bought into his hype early on in his draft year. In the interview process other teams later said they had a lot of red lights with the how the kid thought of himself and how good he was. The one comment i read was something like "Confidence is good--ego mania is bad" and it was really in the interview stage of the predraft that Schremp started falling down other teams draft list
The Great Omark--again-- Maybe because I live in Europe and saw the guy play a lot---he was a guy who I bashed before he stepped foot in North America--i sid at the time and still say now--too soft for the NHL and could not put up with the NHL physical aspect of the game--he looks good on the big ice where he picked his spots and in the NHL his style of play just did not mix well and his attitude sucked like Schremp. With Omark there is one thing that still cracks me up, when I went to Sweden to see him play--the fan club for Lulua hated him and could not wait for him to leave. Swedes usually do not bash their home grown talent--in his case the most often comment was "he plays for money and not love of the game". Might shock some of you--Swedes love hockey just as much as Canadians.
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson this is the one that hurts me--When he played with Timra, I saw him and Lander play together I thought both would be NHL killers. Here is one pick where I blame the oilers in how they handled him for how things turn out. They brought both him and Lander over too early and rushed them into the NHL with little or no support.
Sam Gagner--he should have went back to junior for another year
The two other first rounder we had after Gagner in 2007--Plante and Nash. With Plante it is simple--the scouts saw him as a raw talent at 6-3 and he hoped he would develop-he could not skate. Nash? We may never get the full story. But the version I got was that 48 hours after drafting him the oilers tried to put pressure on him either to bi-pass uni or change unis outright. Nash was going to Cornell--very good Uni but it's hockey development system was questionable. Within 2 months of Nash being an oiler prospect were starting hearing reports that he would never be an oiler and had reportedly (this is a rumour that wont go away) in writing told the oilers not to contact him at all(over Lowe's approach to him after he was drafted).
Teemu Hartikainen is another guy who I saw play here in Europe and thought he would have a better NHL career then he did. Part of this is I think the oilers did not know how to use him and kept changing the instruction they gave him, They wanted him to bulk up so he did--they wanted him to improve his fitness so he did--but by bulking up it slowed him down and affected his overall fitness and then they told him to work on his skating. They treated him a bit like a yo yo.
What other prospect do you want to reflect on where we can not look back and have a good idea where things went wrong?
Robert Nilsson? Too small for the nhl?
BTW Ryan O'Marra retired after playing one season here in the British Elite league
Again---if mods do not think this is thread worthy they can nuke
if the mods do no think this is thread worthy--they can nuke it. I figure instead of bickering in the other thread over prospects where things went wrong and the how and why's of it--I thought maybe having one thread where we look at players like Omark, Schremp, Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson and others to discuss and learn where the development of players went right and wrong.
Schremp is one of the prospects where for nearly 5 years there was close to trench warfare between the pro-schremp group and the Schremp sucks group(which I anointed myself leader of).
for me Schremp is a prospect who people saw what they wanted to see and played down what concerned others. I was was firmly on the Schremp sucks group 24 hours after the draft when more info came out as to why he went from being a top 5 pick in September of his draft year to being listed as late as a 4th on some teams lists. He had a bad attitude and had what I would call soft numbers (the tough minutes and the guy who had the hardest playing time on the team was Dave Bolland). But it was Schremps off ice attitude that the more I learned about the more I disliked the kid. He surrounded himself with yes people and had bought into his hype early on in his draft year. In the interview process other teams later said they had a lot of red lights with the how the kid thought of himself and how good he was. The one comment i read was something like "Confidence is good--ego mania is bad" and it was really in the interview stage of the predraft that Schremp started falling down other teams draft list
The Great Omark--again-- Maybe because I live in Europe and saw the guy play a lot---he was a guy who I bashed before he stepped foot in North America--i sid at the time and still say now--too soft for the NHL and could not put up with the NHL physical aspect of the game--he looks good on the big ice where he picked his spots and in the NHL his style of play just did not mix well and his attitude sucked like Schremp. With Omark there is one thing that still cracks me up, when I went to Sweden to see him play--the fan club for Lulua hated him and could not wait for him to leave. Swedes usually do not bash their home grown talent--in his case the most often comment was "he plays for money and not love of the game". Might shock some of you--Swedes love hockey just as much as Canadians.
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson this is the one that hurts me--When he played with Timra, I saw him and Lander play together I thought both would be NHL killers. Here is one pick where I blame the oilers in how they handled him for how things turn out. They brought both him and Lander over too early and rushed them into the NHL with little or no support.
Sam Gagner--he should have went back to junior for another year
The two other first rounder we had after Gagner in 2007--Plante and Nash. With Plante it is simple--the scouts saw him as a raw talent at 6-3 and he hoped he would develop-he could not skate. Nash? We may never get the full story. But the version I got was that 48 hours after drafting him the oilers tried to put pressure on him either to bi-pass uni or change unis outright. Nash was going to Cornell--very good Uni but it's hockey development system was questionable. Within 2 months of Nash being an oiler prospect were starting hearing reports that he would never be an oiler and had reportedly (this is a rumour that wont go away) in writing told the oilers not to contact him at all(over Lowe's approach to him after he was drafted).
Teemu Hartikainen is another guy who I saw play here in Europe and thought he would have a better NHL career then he did. Part of this is I think the oilers did not know how to use him and kept changing the instruction they gave him, They wanted him to bulk up so he did--they wanted him to improve his fitness so he did--but by bulking up it slowed him down and affected his overall fitness and then they told him to work on his skating. They treated him a bit like a yo yo.
What other prospect do you want to reflect on where we can not look back and have a good idea where things went wrong?
Robert Nilsson? Too small for the nhl?
BTW Ryan O'Marra retired after playing one season here in the British Elite league
Again---if mods do not think this is thread worthy they can nuke
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