Coach Discussion: Discuss Assistant Coaches

[Imcanadianeh]

lol if this comes to pass then literally every single coaching hire on this team would have a prior TNSE/Winnipeg connection.



Baumgartner played for the Manitoba Moose. TNSE connection is there again.

I mean if the qualification for being linked to Winnipeg/TNSE is sometime in the last 35 years they just needed to have a cup of coffee in Winnipeg you can pretty much link anyone.

 

[Oilpeg]

I was wrong about Arniel…stay tuned.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I was wrong about Arniel…stay tuned.

So, even under the influence of alcohol, he still lied to you. What the f*** is the world coming to when you can't trust what someone says to you in a bar?

 

[Oilpeg]

So, even under the influence of alcohol, he still lied to you. What the f*** is the world coming to when you can't trust what someone says to you in a bar?

To be fair, he didn’t lie. I didn’t point blank ask him, just fished around to see what I could get him to admit to. I’ll see him again later in the summer, I’ll get to the bottom of it. Hahahaha

 

[surixon]

Not sure what to make of Baumgarter as an assistant. I'm fine with Arniel as one.

 

[JetsFan815]

I mean if the qualification for being linked to Winnipeg/TNSE is sometime in the last 35 years they just needed to have a cup of coffee in Winnipeg you can pretty much link anyone.

All these guys played multiple years for the Moose and have ties to TNSE,

 

[Thechozen1]

Aside from being a former Moose player, can anyone comment on Baumgartner’s actual coaching credentials? Just wondering what to expect in regards to both strengths and weaknesses.

Will there be a third assistant coach? If so, why not Mike Peca who is currently an assistant in the AHL with Buffalo’s farm team. Thought I heard he was interviewed for some NHL jobs recently.

 

[RabidOne]

Not sure what to make of Baumgarter as an assistant. I'm fine with Arniel as one.

Baumgartner was seen as the defenses problem in Vancouver. Canned with Green.

 

[None]

Aside from being a former Moose player, can anyone comment on Baumgartner’s actual coaching credentials?

He was also an assistant coach under Travis Green who played on the same AHL team as Chevy

Just glancing through Canucks fans thoughts and they seem to lay a lot of blame directly on Travis Green and Nolan Baumgartner while absolving their other coaches. Considering they went from .360 pts% to .649 pts% after firing Green and Baumgartner... They might have been onto something.

Some quotes from Canucks fans

There was also apparently a rant by a radio host about fans criticizing Baumgartner

 

[None]

Edit: Meant to edit the above post

 

[Jetsfan79]

I may be in the minority but to me a blatant hire based solely or mainly on connection is if the person hasn't had success/experience in other markets. If Bowness was always an assistant, I would understand the criticism. I don't think Jets bring him in if he didn't have recent success in Dallas as head coach. And I don't think Dallas had a connection to him when they hired him. You gotta think a little more 3 dimensionally IMO.

Feel the same thing about the assistants. Hiring people with a connection who has worked allot in other markets is not necessarily a bad thing IMO

 

[ps241]

I may be in the minority but to me a blatant hire based solely or mainly on connection is if the person hasn't had success/experience in other markets. If Bowness was always an assistant, I would understand the criticism. I don't think Jets bring him in if he didn't have recent success in Dallas as head coach. And I don't think Dallas had a connection to him when they hired him. You gotta think a little more 3 dimensionally IMO.

Feel the same thing about the assistants. Hiring people with a connection who has worked allot in other markets is not necessarily a bad thing IMO

Maurice, Huddy, Jamie, Vincent, the new Moose coach, Lowry were all outside hires. I don’t see Bowness as a loyalty hire since his tenure goes back to 1.0 era and it’s so far removed.

I think the issue up to this point is not about who they hire, it’s about not being aggressive enough in moving on from people that aren’t getting results.

 

[ecolad]

Maurice, Huddy, Jamie, Vincent, the new Moose coach, Lowry were all outside hires. I don’t see Bowness as a loyalty hire since his tenure goes back to 1.0 era and it’s so far removed.

I think the issue up to this point is not about who they hire, it’s about not being aggressive enough in moving on from people that aren’t getting results.

Certainly agree in the context of coach`s/assistant coach`s. But then Chevy does not move aggressively on almost any decision.... . I`m getting increasingly concerned that he has decided to downplay the alleged dysfunction issues in the players dressing room, and will move very slow,if at all, to make player moves to rectify the issues. Chevy may have convinced himself that selecting Bowness as coach (noted for strengths in people management moreso than hockey management) is all that he has to do here.

 

[voyageur]

Certainly agree in the context of coach`s/assistant coach`s. But then Chevy does not move aggressively on almost any decision.... . I`m getting increasingly concerned that he has decided to downplay the alleged dysfunction issues in the players dressing room, and will move very slow,if at all, to make player moves to rectify the issues. Chevy may have convinced himself that selecting Bowness as coach (noted for strengths in people management moreso than hockey management) is all that he has to do here.

When Chevy comes out and says this team cares about one another, or Comrie says it, it's not given any credence. But when an outsider says the team is dysfunctional people hop all over it. Nobody can state the nature of the dysfunction. Does Wheeler being a grumpy old dad put young players off? Seems like there is respect? Does Scheifele train too hard? And not try hard enough? Is Dubois too French for this team?
Does anyone really know?

What if the team does get along? But rebelled against their coach last year. That happens too.

 

[ecolad]

When Chevy comes out and says this team cares about one another, or Comrie says it, it's not given any credence. But when an outsider says the team is dysfunctional people hop all over it. Nobody can state the nature of the dysfunction. Does Wheeler being a grumpy old dad put young players off? Seems like there is respect? Does Scheifele train too hard? And not try hard enough? Is Dubois too French for this team?
Does anyone really know?

What if the team does get along? But rebelled against their coach last year. That happens too.

Your context here is a little unfair -don`t know what outsider comment you`re referring to?

You`ll notice I didn`t try to describe the nature of the dysfunction, nor did I try to connect to specific players, but it certainly goes well beyond whether the players" like" or "respect" one another. In my mind,the entire question of team leadership comes under scrutiny - including questions like whether the leaders/role models themselves are fully committed to the team; are willing to make sacrifices for the team and their teammates; and, are willing to set aside individual aspirations to further team goals. And of course, the question of how the locker room itself really functions - does it allow for and value expression/opinion by the younger players?

By the way, rebelling against the coach by performing poorly on-ice would be the very best indication of a dysfunctional locker room, imo !

 

[Andy6]

Your context here is a little unfair -don`t know what outsider comment you`re referring to?

You`ll notice I didn`t try to describe the nature of the dysfunction, nor did I try to connect to specific players, but it certainly goes well beyond whether the players" like" or "respect" one another. In my mind,the entire question of team leadership comes under scrutiny - including questions like whether the leaders/role models themselves are fully committed to the team; are willing to make sacrifices for the team and their teammates; and, are willing to set aside individual aspirations to further team goals. And of course, the question of how the locker room itself really functions - does it allow for and value expression/opinion by the younger players?

By the way, rebelling against the coach by performing poorly on-ice would be the very best indication of a dysfunctional locker room, imo !

I haven't seen a shred of hard (or even semi-hard) evidence that any dysfunction actually exists.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I haven't seen a shred of hard (or even semi-hard) evidence that any dysfunction actually exists.

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[nobody imp0rtant]

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[gojetsgo]

murat says he would not be surprised if matt prefontaine if brought back as video coach

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

murat says he would not be surprised if matt prefontaine if brought back as video coach

Why would you fire a video coach? Cause he can't figure out the remote control?

 

[gojetsgo]

would have been a good option

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

would have been a good option

How many ex-head coaches do you want on the bench? Too many cooks, as they say...

 

[RandomJetsFan]

Would Ted Nolan be an intriguing one if he would come out of retirement?

 

[HellebuyckOurSaviour]

I'd love to try and pry Dan Bylsma from the AHL to be an assistant also. Bylsma, Nolan and Arniel as assistant HC's.